crashpc
Veteran Member
Color science is real. It's just that the term is misused, and its importance made inadequate. Or do you believe that the filter array is made without care about its properties? Think twice people.
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TN on "color science"
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The Fat Fish
Senior Member
"Colour Science" was always a term spouted by devout users of an increasingly disappointing system. If subjective and easily changeable/learnable things like colour science and menu's are all they have left to claim then it's a truly sad reflection of Canons innovation.
I only own Canon at this moment in time but blindly loving Canon is only damaging to them in the long run.
I only own Canon at this moment in time but blindly loving Canon is only damaging to them in the long run.
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jay-A
Guest
Color science is just one avatar of the imaginary Canon strengths that have been made up since the brand started declining.
Others are ergonomics, build quality, and of course the wide mount. Concerning build Roger Cicala has shown that the R is not better built than the Sonys, and that Nikon is a big step up. Concerning ergos the M-fn bar and impossible placement of the AF-ON button say it all, and concerning the wide mount the Canon RF 24-105 vignettes a lot more than the Sony 24-105 (and is less sharp), which also says it all.
Just goes on to show that the internet is full of fanboyism, and Tony Northrup has to be commended for debunking it.
Others are ergonomics, build quality, and of course the wide mount. Concerning build Roger Cicala has shown that the R is not better built than the Sonys, and that Nikon is a big step up. Concerning ergos the M-fn bar and impossible placement of the AF-ON button say it all, and concerning the wide mount the Canon RF 24-105 vignettes a lot more than the Sony 24-105 (and is less sharp), which also says it all.
Just goes on to show that the internet is full of fanboyism, and Tony Northrup has to be commended for debunking it.
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Tristimulus
Veteran Member
Agree...
The image sensor in a camera is kind of a tristimuli colorimeter. Takes a lot of hard science to bring the colors from nature to screen or paper, and to present the final results in a way the brain will accept and find pleasing.
Color science is real science, but the use of the term color science has become sloppy...
Part of the problem may be that pleasing have different meaning to different viewers, and that some canonites (heck, even have a few Canon cameras lying around) seems to believe that there is only one correct way of expressing color. The TN thread innocently shows that some prefer Sony colors - that is all (which obviously may be horrendous news)...
Impressed by the Bayer matrix on the A7III (filters a bit more of the blue light and let some deeper red colors pass - at least compared to the output from other Sony cameras in my possession) and how close the output on a calibrated screen is to a standard color chart.
Did use a small spectroscope, see the trend clearly, but no scientific result...
Uh oh. Speak of the devil. 06:18 timestamp: "Fuji has the meanest users." "There are a set of really hostile self-identifying Fuji users out there who give the whole brand a bad name."
James Stirling
Forum Pro
The 24-105mm F/4G { my most used Sony lens
} has huge vignetting before correction
I have no interest in the Canon gear are you talking about actual tests of the Canon lens ? I have not seen any serious tests of the Canon lenses
He like most of the photography channels on youtube is a clickbait whore , with some of the worst examples of clickbait titles
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Jim Stirling
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams
Yes, this was interesting.
My interpretation is that a lot of the participants figured that Fuji was the most likely winner, based on reputation, and therefore put them last in their rankings.
That is, Fuji got most 'hate' because more people were worried that Fuji would win - its a mark of respect I guess
Putting random brands on the pictures was pretty clever.
Arcimboldo
Leading Member
He may be often aim at clicks but in this particular case this critique seems to me to be a bit unfair.The 24-105mm F/4G { my most used Sony lens
I have no interest in the Canon gear are you talking about actual tests of the Canon lens ? I have not seen any serious tests of the Canon lenses
He like most of the photography channels on youtube is a clickbait whore , with some of the worst examples of clickbait titles
Olga Johnson
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Olga Johnson
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Additionally, amongst the posts I have deleted have been posts using special characters to bypass profanity filters.
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Make sure all discussions are kept civil. Threads like this one which is more about moderator and other forum user reaction criticism are of no use. Speak about the issues, not the mods or other users.
Keep it civil, please! If not, I will be locking or deleting this thread.
Due to the threaded system of the forums, when one post is deleted, all posts following it, whether allowed or not, are deleted as well. So please don’t complain about a post deleted. Many posts are collateral damage to another deleted for cause post.
Please read rule 6 of the forum posting rules. You may not antagonize forum users. That means you may not go to other forums with "in your face” antagonizing statement. If you do, your post will be deleted.
Also please do not feign ignorance of the rules. You all know the rules. Don’t pretend you are innocent parties. Both you and we, the mods, know you are not.
Make sure all discussions are kept civil. Threads like this one which is more about moderator and other forum user reaction criticism are of no use. Speak about the issues, not the mods or other users.
Keep it civil, please! If not, I will be locking or deleting this thread.
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Paul Barnard
Veteran Member
I think his point was not so much that it doesn't mater but that people are unable to consistently identify the same colour science. Often being more swayed by the brand labelling of an image than the actual colour in the image. Whereas if it was really all about the colour the same images would have been chosen every time.
Jonathan Brady
Veteran Member
I appreciate the civility and respect towards the users here as well as your guidance, Olga. As always, you're a class act.
Thank you!
Jonathan
Thank you!
Jonathan
tbcass
Forum Pro
The whole point of this video seems to be that color science is irrelevant because perception of color is very subjective (opinion) and is subject to many variables.
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jay-A
Guest
Yes. What about a name change now? Someone proposed color sauce which I think is right.
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PWPhotography
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PWPhotography
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See how A9 beats mighty GFX-50s - sharpness and skin tone, no mention much inferior x-trans.
PWPhotography
Forum Pro
As TN said in the video, partially blamed for over-boasting from Fuji marketing and Fuji owners, over hyping you knowYes, this was interesting.
My interpretation is that a lot of the participants figured that Fuji was the most likely winner, based on reputation, and therefore put them last in their rankings.
That is, Fuji got most 'hate' because more people were worried that Fuji would win - its a mark of respect I guess
Putting random brands on the pictures was pretty clever.
Arcimboldo
Leading Member
AFAIK the GFX does not have an X-Trans sensor. Fuji claims that the advantages of the X-Trans CFA do not take much effect with medium format.
PWPhotography
Forum Pro
I am not sure Fuji colors is much to do with X-trans or not. X-trans advantage such as less moire is no longer a factor with more pixels but disadvantage still stays such as so-called 'ISO cheating' which photos are darker than Bayer's sensors taken at the same measured ISO (with reason under another different standard), high ISO waxy look and detail smearing etc. Actually many X-trans owners now want Fuji abandon X-trans and return to Bayer sensors.
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