TQGroup
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Respectful means to posters. How can factual statements be disrespectful?
Please read my most recent post
Did you check out the OP's gear list? It includes a D5 and a D850...
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yes, your "polite and respectable" was just a lie.Factyou aren't being "polite and respectful", you are trying to troll sony, with nonsense like: "why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc.Well if being polite and respectful makes me a "somebody" I will take it as a compliment
yawn....
because you are trolling sony, and you know nothing about sony, and nothing about shooting sports.
wrong, it is 100% correct.
read the thread link that I posted.
you can't lie your way out of that.
what, cat got your tongue there fanboy?
where are your wise-ass remarks?
not surprised to hear that, lol
by the troll comments you keep making.
yeah, i'm sure that we'll see proof of that at some point... NOT
lol
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you don't post factual statements, you troll sony with false claims.
please read the thread titlePlease read my most recent post
did you read the thread title? "Fuji instead of Sony?"
The D850 is a great camera, so I see no reason why you would get rid of it if you still like the DSLR form factor and don't mind the mirror mechanism.Thanks for the very constructive comments
My D850 will stay - divorce is too expensive :-D
I want to replace my D500 with a MILC that can be adapted to use some Nikon/Zeiss glass. I will initially buy a 24-70/4 or so (lightweight) and more later.
I envisage the MILC will be used primarily for video, street, night-market and travel photography. I recently had a month in Asia and a decent MILC would have been very handy in addition to the D850. The D500 was practically obsolete on that trip.
Features that would be nice include, (not in order: IBIS), fast-to-shoot (low lag}, accurate AF-S and AF-C, 4K video (no crop or pixel binning), good low light performance, good video AF, comfortable feel in the hand, good control placement for speed of use, great EVF (I like OVF), good SOOC JPGs (many images will not have any PP), good flash (external) capability, external battery charger (leave 1 battery in hotel), around 24 MPX is enough, good weather sealing (sudden downpours)... that's most of them.
I am not interested in the Nikon Z7, for me it is too much like the D850 I already have.
I am actively considering a Sony A7iii (which I have tried) a Fuji XT-3 and the Nikon D6 (due end November). The comparison is not against the D850. It is between MILC options available for purchase by December 2018.
I visited this forum and thread because I was interested in learning from real user's experiences (not spec sheet data, please) about how they feel about Sony and Fuji and specifically about the A7iii and the new XT-3.
Thank you in advance for your helpful comments.
Cheers, Andrew
But since you're keeping it, that means you're keeping your Nikon lenses, and right now, only the Nikon Z7 (and presumably Z6) can adapt F mount lenses to any degree of success, so recommending anything else would also be recommending investment in a completely separate system.
For what you're looking for, I think the Fuji X-T3 would best suit your needs. I believe it has the fastest power on to shoot readiness in mirrorless. It offers no crop in 4K up to 30 FPS (4K60 has a crop that I've heard is either 1.18 ~ 1.3 -- not sure which is true). It's subjective, but most people seem to think the ergonomics and physical controls are a bonus, and it's hard to argue with the SOOC JPGs. It also has reportedly great weather sealing. The only downside is lack of IBIS and crap battery life, but it does have an external charger and I believe it can be charged via USB.
TQGroup
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Thanks for that thoughtful appraisal.The D850 is a great camera, so I see no reason why you would get rid of it if you still like the DSLR form factor and don't mind the mirror mechanism.Thanks for the very constructive comments
My D850 will stay - divorce is too expensive :-D
I want to replace my D500 with a MILC that can be adapted to use some Nikon/Zeiss glass. I will initially buy a 24-70/4 or so (lightweight) and more later.
I envisage the MILC will be used primarily for video, street, night-market and travel photography. I recently had a month in Asia and a decent MILC would have been very handy in addition to the D850. The D500 was practically obsolete on that trip.
Features that would be nice include, (not in order: IBIS), fast-to-shoot (low lag}, accurate AF-S and AF-C, 4K video (no crop or pixel binning), good low light performance, good video AF, comfortable feel in the hand, good control placement for speed of use, great EVF (I like OVF), good SOOC JPGs (many images will not have any PP), good flash (external) capability, external battery charger (leave 1 battery in hotel), around 24 MPX is enough, good weather sealing (sudden downpours)... that's most of them.
I am not interested in the Nikon Z7, for me it is too much like the D850 I already have.
I am actively considering a Sony A7iii (which I have tried) a Fuji XT-3 and the Nikon D6 (due end November). The comparison is not against the D850. It is between MILC options available for purchase by December 2018.
I visited this forum and thread because I was interested in learning from real user's experiences (not spec sheet data, please) about how they feel about Sony and Fuji and specifically about the A7iii and the new XT-3.
Thank you in advance for your helpful comments.
Cheers, Andrew
But since you're keeping it, that means you're keeping your Nikon lenses, and right now, only the Nikon Z7 (and presumably Z6) can adapt F mount lenses to any degree of success, so recommending anything else would also be recommending investment in a completely separate system.
For what you're looking for, I think the Fuji X-T3 would best suit your needs. I believe it has the fastest power on to shoot readiness in mirrorless. It offers no crop in 4K up to 30 FPS (4K60 has a crop that I've heard is either 1.18 ~ 1.3 -- not sure which is true). It's subjective, but most people seem to think the ergonomics and physical controls are a bonus, and it's hard to argue with the SOOC JPGs. It also has reportedly great weather sealing. The only downside is lack of IBIS and crap battery life, but it does have an external charger and I believe it can be charged via USB.
I understand that numerous Nikon shooters use Sony A7 series cameras and effectively use adapters for their Nikon glass. Am I wrong there?
I like your analysis of the Fuji and that is why it is still in the mix. My major concern is the lack of IBIS, especially for video. Its not a showstopper as my D500 (to be replaced) doesn't have it either. Carrying a spare battery or two is not likely to be a problem.
As for the Z6... I just have to wait a while. Often issues arise with cameras that are not evident from the spec sheets. I am hoping it will be properly reviewed and understood before I have to choose. Sometimes even shooting a camera for a day or two doesn't show up serious issues. That is why these forums are so useful
Sony has the advantage of being well understood as its been out the longest. I have briefly used the A7iii and my major concern was its "ergonomics and speed to shoot". This is unsurprising coming from DSLR land. When I take my very small Panny TZ110 walkabout, I have trouble remembering how to use it. Familiarity breeds content
Why A7iii is not on the list? I have both Sony and Fuji, A7iii and X-T20. Love the portability of Fuji and the size of lens, Fuji color is unique. However, Fuji can’t keep up with my 4 year old so I am still keeping both.
I think the saying is : familiarity breeds contempt!Thanks for that thoughtful appraisal.The D850 is a great camera, so I see no reason why you would get rid of it if you still like the DSLR form factor and don't mind the mirror mechanism.Thanks for the very constructive comments
My D850 will stay - divorce is too expensive :-D
I want to replace my D500 with a MILC that can be adapted to use some Nikon/Zeiss glass. I will initially buy a 24-70/4 or so (lightweight) and more later.
I envisage the MILC will be used primarily for video, street, night-market and travel photography. I recently had a month in Asia and a decent MILC would have been very handy in addition to the D850. The D500 was practically obsolete on that trip.
Features that would be nice include, (not in order: IBIS), fast-to-shoot (low lag}, accurate AF-S and AF-C, 4K video (no crop or pixel binning), good low light performance, good video AF, comfortable feel in the hand, good control placement for speed of use, great EVF (I like OVF), good SOOC JPGs (many images will not have any PP), good flash (external) capability, external battery charger (leave 1 battery in hotel), around 24 MPX is enough, good weather sealing (sudden downpours)... that's most of them.
I am not interested in the Nikon Z7, for me it is too much like the D850 I already have.
I am actively considering a Sony A7iii (which I have tried) a Fuji XT-3 and the Nikon D6 (due end November). The comparison is not against the D850. It is between MILC options available for purchase by December 2018.
I visited this forum and thread because I was interested in learning from real user's experiences (not spec sheet data, please) about how they feel about Sony and Fuji and specifically about the A7iii and the new XT-3.
Thank you in advance for your helpful comments.
Cheers, Andrew
But since you're keeping it, that means you're keeping your Nikon lenses, and right now, only the Nikon Z7 (and presumably Z6) can adapt F mount lenses to any degree of success, so recommending anything else would also be recommending investment in a completely separate system.
For what you're looking for, I think the Fuji X-T3 would best suit your needs. I believe it has the fastest power on to shoot readiness in mirrorless. It offers no crop in 4K up to 30 FPS (4K60 has a crop that I've heard is either 1.18 ~ 1.3 -- not sure which is true). It's subjective, but most people seem to think the ergonomics and physical controls are a bonus, and it's hard to argue with the SOOC JPGs. It also has reportedly great weather sealing. The only downside is lack of IBIS and crap battery life, but it does have an external charger and I believe it can be charged via USB.
I understand that numerous Nikon shooters use Sony A7 series cameras and effectively use adapters for their Nikon glass. Am I wrong there?
I like your analysis of the Fuji and that is why it is still in the mix. My major concern is the lack of IBIS, especially for video. Its not a showstopper as my D500 (to be replaced) doesn't have it either. Carrying a spare battery or two is not likely to be a problem.
As for the Z6... I just have to wait a while. Often issues arise with cameras that are not evident from the spec sheets. I am hoping it will be properly reviewed and understood before I have to choose. Sometimes even shooting a camera for a day or two doesn't show up serious issues. That is why these forums are so useful
Sony has the advantage of being well understood as its been out the longest. I have briefly used the A7iii and my major concern was its "ergonomics and speed to shoot". This is unsurprising coming from DSLR land. When I take my very small Panny TZ110 walkabout, I have trouble remembering how to use it. Familiarity breeds content
TQGroup
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Of course you are rightI think the saying is : familiarity breeds contempt!Thanks for that thoughtful appraisal.The D850 is a great camera, so I see no reason why you would get rid of it if you still like the DSLR form factor and don't mind the mirror mechanism.Thanks for the very constructive comments
My D850 will stay - divorce is too expensive :-D
I want to replace my D500 with a MILC that can be adapted to use some Nikon/Zeiss glass. I will initially buy a 24-70/4 or so (lightweight) and more later.
I envisage the MILC will be used primarily for video, street, night-market and travel photography. I recently had a month in Asia and a decent MILC would have been very handy in addition to the D850. The D500 was practically obsolete on that trip.
Features that would be nice include, (not in order: IBIS), fast-to-shoot (low lag}, accurate AF-S and AF-C, 4K video (no crop or pixel binning), good low light performance, good video AF, comfortable feel in the hand, good control placement for speed of use, great EVF (I like OVF), good SOOC JPGs (many images will not have any PP), good flash (external) capability, external battery charger (leave 1 battery in hotel), around 24 MPX is enough, good weather sealing (sudden downpours)... that's most of them.
I am not interested in the Nikon Z7, for me it is too much like the D850 I already have.
I am actively considering a Sony A7iii (which I have tried) a Fuji XT-3 and the Nikon D6 (due end November). The comparison is not against the D850. It is between MILC options available for purchase by December 2018.
I visited this forum and thread because I was interested in learning from real user's experiences (not spec sheet data, please) about how they feel about Sony and Fuji and specifically about the A7iii and the new XT-3.
Thank you in advance for your helpful comments.
Cheers, Andrew
But since you're keeping it, that means you're keeping your Nikon lenses, and right now, only the Nikon Z7 (and presumably Z6) can adapt F mount lenses to any degree of success, so recommending anything else would also be recommending investment in a completely separate system.
For what you're looking for, I think the Fuji X-T3 would best suit your needs. I believe it has the fastest power on to shoot readiness in mirrorless. It offers no crop in 4K up to 30 FPS (4K60 has a crop that I've heard is either 1.18 ~ 1.3 -- not sure which is true). It's subjective, but most people seem to think the ergonomics and physical controls are a bonus, and it's hard to argue with the SOOC JPGs. It also has reportedly great weather sealing. The only downside is lack of IBIS and crap battery life, but it does have an external charger and I believe it can be charged via USB.
I understand that numerous Nikon shooters use Sony A7 series cameras and effectively use adapters for their Nikon glass. Am I wrong there?
I like your analysis of the Fuji and that is why it is still in the mix. My major concern is the lack of IBIS, especially for video. Its not a showstopper as my D500 (to be replaced) doesn't have it either. Carrying a spare battery or two is not likely to be a problem.
As for the Z6... I just have to wait a while. Often issues arise with cameras that are not evident from the spec sheets. I am hoping it will be properly reviewed and understood before I have to choose. Sometimes even shooting a camera for a day or two doesn't show up serious issues. That is why these forums are so useful
Sony has the advantage of being well understood as its been out the longest. I have briefly used the A7iii and my major concern was its "ergonomics and speed to shoot". This is unsurprising coming from DSLR land. When I take my very small Panny TZ110 walkabout, I have trouble remembering how to use it. Familiarity breeds content
Pardon my pathetic attempt at humour and thank you for reading the post so closely
Aww, come on, it is both true and kinda funny :-D
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You're comparing apples and oranges.
Same thing, you're comparing apples and oranges. I think it's an error to ignore equivalence.
A Sony FE 70-200 mm F4 G mounted on a Sony a7 III would offer:
- Same effective field of view,
- Same subject separation ability,
- Very similar low light performance,
Ignoring that completely bias the comparison!
A Sony FE 70-200 mm F2.8 GM OSS is an option that - at least for the moment - has no equivalent in the Fujifilm system. You can get better low light performance (with shorter DoF) and more subject separation ability, with the trade off of a bigger, heavier and more expansive lens.
Same thing...
Fujifilm X-T3 readout time much shorter than the one of Sony a7 III or the Fujifilm X-T2 (which are completely unusable with moving subject or under flickering light sources).
That said, it's 1/57s for the X-T3 vs. 1/160s for the a9. The a9 still struggle with some particular subject and under some artificial light sources, even if it ES is very usable. it will be worse with the X-T3.
(I personally have an X-T3 and distorsion is okay for what I shoot, but I would avoid the ES under some artificial light sources).
No, that's not that simple, in both cases!
You can use any lens with ES with both.
The problem is that some lenses cannot keep up with the burst rate.
I don't have a a9 and a bunch of Sony lenses at my disposal to say with which it's okay or not (Sony has a list I think), but with the Fuji' I only get the 30 fps under very particular conditions. The lenses are the problem. You have to carrefully check which lens can keep up and do not expect to have 30 shots per second with AF-C!
Plus the X-T3 buffer is extremely shallow!
In return, the buffer clean up is less limiting than on the Sony (less thing you cannot access during clean up).
You shall take the lens into account. You cannot dissociate low light performance from assembly.camera + lens
You also can on the Fuji (fringer brings some interesting adapters), but it's more limited and you have to take the crop factor into account.
Yes
No, X-T3 has a fully working eye AF.
Depends a lot on the lens.
Look at the second hand market.
I also think the price will fall down when the a7S III will be announced...but when?!
Yes.
Search for my impressions on both the a7 III and X-T3 (I have both).
Fuji vs sony lenses
The biggest factor often missed is how much better and cheaper FF glass is. FF glass at the same nominal aperture gets to use about twice as much glass (eg 2 vs f2) as apsc, and 4x as much as mft to produce an image. Imperfections are magnified. some of that theorized FF glass will be about twice as sharp as their aps-c, and the data has generally supported that across lens lineups.
Remember, a f2 apsc is equivalent to a f3 FF as same angle of of view aka equi focal length.
the most loved $300 fuji 35 2 lense gets (center/border/ extreme) objective data:
http://www.opticallimits.com/fuji_x/985-fuji35f2?start=1
fuji 35 2 vs $250 sony FE 1.8
f2: 2700/2189/1976, vs f2.8: 4511/3652/2256
f4: 3078/2654/2345. vs f5.6: 4579 / 4199 / 4253
F1.2 fuji can’t do it vs f1.8: 4181/2489/1804
Sony, sony version can get 1 stop quicker than fuji, and it cost loess.
That’s a huge performance gain. Some caveats, on a7iii at 24mp, the performance gains for sharpness would be a lot more equivalent since you’r bottlenecked at the sensor.
The biggest factor often missed is how much better and cheaper FF glass is. FF glass at the same nominal aperture gets to use about twice as much glass (eg 2 vs f2) as apsc, and 4x as much as mft to produce an image. Imperfections are magnified. some of that theorized FF glass will be about twice as sharp as their aps-c, and the data has generally supported that across lens lineups.
Remember, a f2 apsc is equivalent to a f3 FF as same angle of of view aka equi focal length.
the most loved $300 fuji 35 2 lense gets (center/border/ extreme) objective data:
http://www.opticallimits.com/fuji_x/985-fuji35f2?start=1
fuji 35 2 vs $250 sony FE 1.8
f2: 2700/2189/1976, vs f2.8: 4511/3652/2256
f4: 3078/2654/2345. vs f5.6: 4579 / 4199 / 4253
F1.2 fuji can’t do it vs f1.8: 4181/2489/1804
Sony, sony version can get 1 stop quicker than fuji, and it cost loess.
That’s a huge performance gain. Some caveats, on a7iii at 24mp, the performance gains for sharpness would be a lot more equivalent since you’r bottlenecked at the sensor.
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I don't like the viewfinder resolution on the a7iii.
PWPhotography
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EVF is just a tool. I used to own A7 II that has the same EVF as in A7 III. Honestly it didn't affect me in taking photos and I have used to A7r III and A9's EVF. Unlike OVF you actually don't have to see everything so clearly in EVF as it still displays all info you needed and as long as you can see the AF point targeting at the subject, and we know A7 III AF is very accurate and reliable. Sure you feel more enjoyable in higher resolution EVF but really no much difference in taking photos and the quality of end results.
The bottom line is that you can pickup X-T3 on your feeling of ergonomic and EVF etc. But A7 III absolutely will help you to get better end results that matter of sensor size (DR, sharpness, shadow noise), AF-C tracking, IBIS and high ISO. Your priority is based on which is more important - feeling (that could change later) vs IQ (never change).
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golfhov
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You cannot "ignore equivelance" otherwise the focal lengths don't make sense for starters. All of the sudden the lenses are all wide and ultra wide angles......oh wait you will use equivelance on angle of view. ........
If you think equivelance is fake then grab a 1" camera. Depending on model you get wide angle to the edge of telephoto or a telephoto with apertures between 1.8 and 2.8 all in a "compact" body
If you think equivelance is fake then grab a 1" camera. Depending on model you get wide angle to the edge of telephoto or a telephoto with apertures between 1.8 and 2.8 all in a "compact" body
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plus the EVF on the Sony A7III is horrid vs the Fuji
Sony is a good camera -no doubt - but is does not beat the Fuji in all areas
if you have only tried the X2 and not the X3 you would be surprised at how good it is
in fact DP forum themselves just called it "the best all around camera"
This is my current dilemma and I wonder if it is too late to switch to Sony.
After examining XT-3 as well as Canon's limited lineup of lenses and new camera I wonder if I will regret the switching to Sony. Canon's new lens mount and their unique lenses have the potential to really kick a## when a pro body comes out.
And XT-3 viewfinder, responsiveness, and price are incredible.
At least there is now a little competition.
After examining XT-3 as well as Canon's limited lineup of lenses and new camera I wonder if I will regret the switching to Sony. Canon's new lens mount and their unique lenses have the potential to really kick a## when a pro body comes out.
And XT-3 viewfinder, responsiveness, and price are incredible.
At least there is now a little competition.
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I got mine recently at AUD $4500 new from Sony Australia kiosk store including tax. That's about USD $3240. Cheaper than I could get it second-hand.
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Do you want to shoot today, or tomorrow?
You can always sell gear (well, some of us can't)
golfhov
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There may always be something better in the future
Which is awesome. I don't think Sony is perfect and I would love to see them clean up small issues that shouldn't even exist.
Not in all areas. Even Sony doesn't best the Z or R cameras in all categories.
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The site is very clear in that comparsions between format sizes is not valid. In other words, your linking to test differences between the two is a waste of time and invalid.
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