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What is Olympus Hiding ...?
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bobn2
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'Outperform' without some context is meaningless. It surely won't 'outperform' in ever aspect of performance, it likely will in some. They aren't 'hiding' anything. This will be a perfectly normal camera with one or two original feature. I'm sure it will be very good, as are most Olympus cameras. Very unlikely to be a game-changer - just the next play in the game.
Photostyle
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What about the claim that it has som kind of technology that no other camera has ?
Global Shutter or Organic Sensor or both ?
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Sony, Panasonic and others have IBIS now, a huge competitive advantage, presumably licensed to them by its inventor, Olympus.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Oly negotiated an equally significant technological benefit in return, for instance the right to introduce the next generation sensor well in advance of others on the occasion of their centennial.
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the development cycle of the E-M1 iterations would be lengthened ?
Now, not 2 years after release of the Mk II they are leaking rumours of the E-M1x.
If the ‘X’ is released next year the development cycle has actually shortened. And I guess we can kiss goodbye to any meaningful Firmware updates for the Mk II.
I don’t think they are “hiding” anything, but neither do I think we can give much credence to their public statements or executive interviews etc where they talk about future products.
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Now, not 2 years after release of the Mk II they are leaking rumours of the E-M1x.
If the ‘X’ is released next year the development cycle has actually shortened. And I guess we can kiss goodbye to any meaningful Firmware updates for the Mk II.
I don’t think they are “hiding” anything, but neither do I think we can give much credence to their public statements or executive interviews etc where they talk about future products.
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Did Olympus invent sensor shift IS? I thought it was Minolta some 15 years ago. If so, I wonder if their patent may simply have expired by now....
Right now all we got is marketing talk, without a single solid fact.
If the sensor will be still M43 20mp with same technology, don't expect any major upgrade to picture quality. If they mean by "better performance" that the Hi Burst speed will be 100fps instead of 60fps of the E M1 II, than, well, we don't need that...
If the sensor will be still M43 20mp with same technology, don't expect any major upgrade to picture quality. If they mean by "better performance" that the Hi Burst speed will be 100fps instead of 60fps of the E M1 II, than, well, we don't need that...
DLBlack
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A sensor, bandwidth and processing power yo allow 100 fps will mean less rolling shutter distortion and might allow handheld hi res and computational photo processing.
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By the time this camera comes out (?) i hope it isn't a case of too little too late! And it's only going to be exciting for those that have the budget to buy it and justify getting over something like the X-T3 which may also be cheaper by then... other than that there isn't anything exciting for owners of models other than E-M1ii waiting for upgrades to look forward to.... at the moment!
No more firmware updates for the E-M1ii would really suck. No firmware updates and no hard evidence of what spec the new camera is going to be in this period of high activity from other companies just seems to come across as very lacklustre.
I do waste a lot of time watching youtube photography videos (but there you go) and can't help but notice the lack of Olympus (or M4/3) being mentioned amongst other companies in recent videos which doesn't really help the cause. It seems that something really positive and convincing from Olympus needs to get out there!
I really enjoy my E-M1ii but if it and my pro lenses resale value start to take a dive I think I'd have to think seriously about selling up - hopefully this will not be the case.
No more firmware updates for the E-M1ii would really suck. No firmware updates and no hard evidence of what spec the new camera is going to be in this period of high activity from other companies just seems to come across as very lacklustre.
I do waste a lot of time watching youtube photography videos (but there you go) and can't help but notice the lack of Olympus (or M4/3) being mentioned amongst other companies in recent videos which doesn't really help the cause. It seems that something really positive and convincing from Olympus needs to get out there!
I really enjoy my E-M1ii but if it and my pro lenses resale value start to take a dive I think I'd have to think seriously about selling up - hopefully this will not be the case.
gary0319
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My Olympus “source” let that the new sensor will, in fact, be M43 but with more mpx. I’m guessing in the 26mpx range, hopefully BSI.
gary0319
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I think you are about right. I will, no doubt, be a preorder for the new model and expect to get about that price for my E-M1 II.
gary0319
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Supposedly, the new “x” model will be a new series, not a replacement for the current models. I expect the current E-M1to remain in the lineup as the Advanced Enthusiast model and will continue to relieve updates for the foreseeable future.
As an engineer when we talk about performance, it usually refers to things that are measurable. Often we refer to things in terms of speed, and throughout. So when someone says camera A outperforms camera B, it usually tells me camera A probably can shoot at a higher fps or has a bigger buffer, something like that. I would NOT expect someone to be referring to image quality when referencing performance, and that's really what most photographers are concerned with.
Bobo Hodls
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They've piqued my interest. I dropped m4/3 for another sensor, a surprising new sensor is what I would hope Olympus is mainly hinting at.
bobn2
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Not hard to think of a new feature that no camera has yet. I made my own suggestion on the previous thread, but the mod deleted it, so I won't repeat it. The real question is whether the feature is significant or useful.
It's very easy to offer global shutter. There are off-the-shelf sensors which will do it. The problem is that it degrades still photograph performance, so isn't generally used in still cameras. As for the organic sensor, having read the Panasonic research papers, whilst it possibly (and also possibly doesn't) offer advantages over silicon, but it isn't a game changer and the first versions are likely to have some real disadvantages just because they are new.
I think it is probably a good thing if there are no completely original features on the camera because:
- It's now a mature technology, the scope for game changing new features is very small.
- Cameras that have included completely new ways of doing things have generally failed commercially,
bobn2
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Then we can have a few years of being told that 26MP is enough for anyone.
2 years old E-MI II already outperforms XT-3 in more than one feature.
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Hand Held Hi Res for sure. They have been leaders in IBIS and this will be their truely next generation. I certainly also expect a boost in DR and noise control.
Nice to compare it with XT3 but that one is many months old by then. How will it do against X-H2? Personally I am happy with the performance of the E-M1.2 since all bad results out of that cam have nothing to do with a lakc in performance (no matter how you look at it).
For our system a 1000 euro cam that delivers more than the E-M1.2 should both be possible and available at the start of 2019. A 2500 euro E-M1X needs to get it a sensor that performs between APS-c and FF to get a good score. If it is current IQ, which is virtually on par with the best APS-c no matter what else they add to it will mean it will be considered too expensive.
For our system a 1000 euro cam that delivers more than the E-M1.2 should both be possible and available at the start of 2019. A 2500 euro E-M1X needs to get it a sensor that performs between APS-c and FF to get a good score. If it is current IQ, which is virtually on par with the best APS-c no matter what else they add to it will mean it will be considered too expensive.
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