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A7R or A7Rii for manual focus lenses
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Personally I never used the first-stage magnification either 7x in A7r or 5x in A7r II/III and A7 II, useless to me, either 1.0x or max 14x or 12.5x. Hope there is a menu option to disable so wasting little less time to toggle with
Rol Lei Nut
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Despite my better judgement, ignoring my pledge not to feed trolls, here is a test shot with the WATE at 18mm 4.0 (full aperture, focused on sign in middle).have you ever seen pics from a modern ultrawide lens? here, i'll post up a sigma 14/1.8 test shot, ooc jpeg, taken wide open.
I sent that lens back because of the big mid-field soft spot on one side, but the potential should be clear, look at the sides and the top-left corner... wate is an ugly joke compared to that, it doesn't matter what camera body it's on, or what adapter is used.
see below...
the correct spelling is "c-o-h-e-r-e-n-t-l-y" ;-)
The ugly thing is the overcast late afternoon light.
Not bad for an UWA zoom which weighs 315 grams...
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Rol Lei Nut
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I suppose you judge new computers by how they run windows 95... ;-)
pot calling the kettle black, lolDespite my better judgement, ignoring my pledge not to feed trolls,have you ever seen pics from a modern ultrawide lens? here, i'll post up a sigma 14/1.8 test shot, ooc jpeg, taken wide open.
I sent that lens back because of the big mid-field soft spot on one side, but the potential should be clear, look at the sides and the top-left corner... wate is an ugly joke compared to that, it doesn't matter what camera body it's on, or what adapter is used.
see below...
the correct spelling is "c-o-h-e-r-e-n-t-l-y" ;-)
the entire left-third of that photo is a blotchy mess.
it's not surprising to see that your p.q. standards are so weak, tho.
i'd suggest that you go back and take a closer look at the sigma 14/1.8 photo, and learn where modern lens technology is at these days.
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translation: you can't prove that the a7rii first-stage mag problem was fixed with a firmware update, much less prove that it never existed in the first place ;-)
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mcslsk
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Unfortunately: No. It's been resolved on the A7iii and a7r3. But no firmware update for the a7r3.
that's not legacy glass, and it's not an ooc jpeg.
it's 2,400 × 1,432, how do you figure that is ooc jpeg? we don't know what aperture it was shot at.
might be helpful for the o.p. although i'm not sure how.
Someone else may have already mentioned this, but the A7rii has IBIS that stabilizes any lenses you may use. That could make a big difference.
The A7r was my entry to FF. The camera was the "cheapest" part.
The A7rii is a pretty big upgrade over the R, not so much in image quality, but in usability.
Cheers
The A7r was my entry to FF. The camera was the "cheapest" part.
The A7rii is a pretty big upgrade over the R, not so much in image quality, but in usability.
Cheers
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mcslsk
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Well, let's face it: Legacy glas can be excellent but wider than 28mm is a challenge on digital wide open. Not bad at f8 mostly. But: Anyone using vintage glas to achieve sharpnes records in the corner should reconsider their use of old glass.
It's not a jpg derived from raw, so it is an out-of-camera jpg. Resized. The lens is designed for use on an M, in other words, the same problems as older legacy wides. It shows how much these lenses suck.
If you know how wides render on sony FF bodies, if you've looked at a body of work done with such old lenses, you will be able to guess the aperture to within a stop. One doesn't need EXIF to figure it out, but you do need to learn how to look at photos. The UD is pre AI, and was designed to be sharp in the center, softening towards the edges, a typical reportage lens attribute. Stopped down it cleans up, corner to corner. The example is simply to show how much it sucks. The shot was through a dirty car windshield btw. Out-of-camera jpg as opposed to a raw conversion. Resized to make it more digestible for DPRers.
Here's another reportage lens problem child that should probably go into the sucks column - the Ultron 28mm f/1.9 LTM (Leica Thread Mount), as with the others, ooc jpg, resized and converted to monochrome in Olympus Viewer. The corner-to-corner problems are obvious. Can you figure out the aperture? It is obviously not F/1.9.
Here is the same Ultron on an M, with obviously slightly better edge-to-edge coverage. In the full size version you can pick out the individual boats taking part in a regatta, out beyond the buoy. Still sucks though, definitely.
Rol Lei Nut
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Spoken like a true... ???pot calling the kettle black, lolDespite my better judgement, ignoring my pledge not to feed trolls,have you ever seen pics from a modern ultrawide lens? here, i'll post up a sigma 14/1.8 test shot, ooc jpeg, taken wide open.
I sent that lens back because of the big mid-field soft spot on one side, but the potential should be clear, look at the sides and the top-left corner... wate is an ugly joke compared to that, it doesn't matter what camera body it's on, or what adapter is used.
see below...
the correct spelling is "c-o-h-e-r-e-n-t-l-y" ;-)
the entire left-third of that photo is a blotchy mess.
it's not surprising to see that your p.q. standards are so weak, tho.
What I see in the Sigma photo is a miniature Legoland effect, with the leaves looking like they're made of plastic.
If that's your example of miraculous modern technology, you can keep it.
Rol Lei Nut
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I can prove to myself, simply by looking through the viewfinder, that the 5x enlargement works very well. Any shimmering effects are due to areas which are in focus, a kind of (more accurate) peaking. I suppose that never occurred to you.
Your *arguments* are based on on outdated things you've read online, illogical arguments and conclusions and a good dose of ... Whatever!
I'm sure you'd make a great White House Press Secretary.
no, that's not an ooc jpeg, because it's been resized.
ooc jpeg means exactly what it says: "out of camera"
people ask for ooc jpegs in order to better see what the lens output looks like, and you ruined that by resizing the picture to be smaller, because you are pushing a false and misleading agenda.
I shouldn't have to explain that.
no, it doesn't.
the Ultron you posted was made with modern manufacturing techniques, it has little in common with how legacy lenses were designed and made decades ago.
the o.p. specifically stated: "using the A7R mostly or exclusively for vintage manual focus lenses."
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and yet, no one has backed up that claim...
why is it that no one agrees with you.
your claim that it was "fixed" with some unknown firmware release remains unproven... of course you'd first have to admit that there was a problem, lol
you and your #fakefirmwarenews fit right in with that, lol
it's a fact.
it was shot at f/1.8... you clearly don't understand how difficult it is to make a good ultrawide, much less one that has a perfectly flat image field at f/1.8... i'd tell you to read this review, but you'd first have to get over yourself, and open up your mind:
"I consider it reasonably priced for what it is; a unique and excellent lens that hasn’t been made before." https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2017/07/sharpness-tests-of-the-sigma-14mm-f1-8-dg-hsm-art/
Rol Lei Nut
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Thank you for confirming your ideological and intellectual standpoints (as if that was needed by now).
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mcslsk
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No, he can't become WH press secretary because he's tellign the truth. The shimmering displayed by the a7r2 EVF has nothing to do wit the sometime soft Moire that shows structured material to be in focus. It is distractig and makes it hard to find focus. If you have the onyl a7r2 w/o that issue, congrats.
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