Will the future X-T4 have IBIS or not?

Will the future X-T4 have IBIS or not?


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i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
Interesting thought, it could happen.
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
Agreed. There may be a point in the future when it will be even cheaper to put IBIS into all cameras rather than having different assemblies for different cameras. In any case, I think soon there will be a point when IBIS will just be standard in all mainstream cameras and if you want to sell high quantities you need it as much as autofocus just to be competitive.

The X-H series is a weird beast anyway. It has IBIS but in all other areas the X-T3 is superior. It's not a real flagship camera.
 
If i understand it right people think that all cameras will have IBIS in the future . At the same time the camera must have touch sensitive screen that can be tilted to all directions, Lenses and the camera must be WR. 4k/60 video + Eterna film simulation must be in every camera. And everything H1 , T3 and E3 have at the moment. Especially superior AF system - for sports and wildlife , face recognition - and absolutely IBIS! And 26mpx sensor...

It means that everything is absolutely needed and photographers can not do anything without all possible existing gadgets.

It will be very easy to buy a new camera in the future - there will be no different models available. Just one that fills all possible needs.

Or perhaps three models - one is black, one is white and the third is silver. Also pink and yellow are available.
 
If i understand it right people think that all cameras will have IBIS in the future . At the same time the camera must have touch sensitive screen that can be tilted to all directions, Lenses and the camera must be WR. 4k/60 video + Eterna film simulation must be in every camera. And everything H1 , T3 and E3 have at the moment. Especially superior AF system - for sports and wildlife , face recognition - and absolutely IBIS! And 26mpx sensor...

It means that everything is absolutely needed and photographers can not do anything without all possible existing gadgets.

It will be very easy to buy a new camera in the future - there will be no different models available. Just one that fills all possible needs.

Or perhaps three models - one is black, one is white and the third is silver. Also pink and yellow are available.
You have some points right. Technology usually commoditizes features that have been around for a while and then new gadgets with totally new capabilities come up. So I bet in a few years most cameras will have all the features you have described but then there will be new features that some cameras will have and some others won't.
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
Agreed. There may be a point in the future when it will be even cheaper to put IBIS into all cameras rather than having different assemblies for different cameras. In any case, I think soon there will be a point when IBIS will just be standard in all mainstream cameras and if you want to sell high quantities you need it as much as autofocus just to be competitive.

The X-H series is a weird beast anyway. It has IBIS but in all other areas the X-T3 is superior. It's not a real flagship camera.
I am completely neutral here, I am interested in your observation though, in all other areas the x-t3 is superior? Can you elaborate?
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
I tried to check other manufacturers who use APS-C sensors and also have IBIS. Not easy

Panasonic and Olympus have some rather small bodies with IBIS. But they have also miniaturized the sensors . And they are not that small.

Sony makes FF bodies with IBIS - who uses APS-C and IBIS in a tiny camera body like X-E3 ?

It is not that easy - or is it?
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
Agreed. There may be a point in the future when it will be even cheaper to put IBIS into all cameras rather than having different assemblies for different cameras. In any case, I think soon there will be a point when IBIS will just be standard in all mainstream cameras and if you want to sell high quantities you need it as much as autofocus just to be competitive.

The X-H series is a weird beast anyway. It has IBIS but in all other areas the X-T3 is superior. It's not a real flagship camera.
I am completely neutral here, I am interested in your observation though, in all other areas the x-t3 is superior? Can you elaborate?
It has a new processor, video is better. Where does the X-H1 have an edge besides IBIS and size?
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
I tried to check other manufacturers who use APS-C sensors and also have IBIS. Not easy

Panasonic and Olympus have some rather small bodies with IBIS. But they have also miniaturized the sensors . And they are not that small.

Sony makes FF bodies with IBIS - who uses APS-C and IBIS in a tiny camera body like X-E3 ?

It is not that easy - or is it?
Pentax and Sony have IBIS APS-C bodies. The A6500 is quite small.
 
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Or perhaps three models - one is black, one is white and the third is silver. Also pink and yellow are available.
You forgot Rose Gold. That's a MUST have these days!!!! ;)
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
I tried to check other manufacturers who use APS-C sensors and also have IBIS. Not easy

Panasonic and Olympus have some rather small bodies with IBIS. But they have also miniaturized the sensors . And they are not that small.

Sony makes FF bodies with IBIS - who uses APS-C and IBIS in a tiny camera body like X-E3 ?

It is not that easy - or is it?
Pentax and Sony have IBIS APS-C bodies. The A6500 is quite small.
And it has worst IBIS of them all
 
i don't think so ,

X-H* series .................... IBIS

X-T* series tilt screen and Weather Sealed body

X-T** series touch screen and little body

X-E* series fixed screen and little body
Do you really believe that - once Fuji miniaturize their IBIS like other manufacturers - they will only put in in the X-H ? I'd rather think that the X-H will disapear as soon as IBIS is small enough to get integrated in smaller bodies.
I tried to check other manufacturers who use APS-C sensors and also have IBIS. Not easy

Panasonic and Olympus have some rather small bodies with IBIS. But they have also miniaturized the sensors . And they are not that small.

Sony makes FF bodies with IBIS - who uses APS-C and IBIS in a tiny camera body like X-E3 ?

It is not that easy - or is it?
Pentax and Sony have IBIS APS-C bodies. The A6500 is quite small.
And it has worst IBIS of them all
Apparently (in video use at least) Fuji have the worst implemented ibis of all makes. Reviewers all seemed to say the same thing - jerky.

Seen on YouTube...if I can re-find, I'll post the link.

Dave.
 
I honestly don't understand the mentality of the ibis fans...they whinge that Fuji doesn't have it, then when it's implemented in a particularly model, they whinge it's not in "ALL" models - and that's despite the fact there are many who do not want ibis.

What gives!!
It's not that hard to understand. If I were a fan of the size of the X-T20 or X-E3, the fact that IBIS is only in the much larger X-H1 does nothing for me. I don't want an SLR-style camera, so IBIS being only in an SLR-style camera won't satisfy me.
Imo...the XH1 was a priority for Fuji to release something for the ibis "must haves".

Now it's released, ppl still aren't happy, so no, I don't understand.

You buy what meets your needs, and if ibis is such, you have a choice.

On the other hand - I do "get" that you want it in a smaller Fuji body - fine - xt-20 models and/or XE models, but not XPRO or XT4.

Dave.
 
Apparently (in video use at least) Fuji have the worst implemented ibis of all makes. Reviewers all seemed to say the same thing - jerky.

Seen on YouTube...if I can re-find, I'll post the link.

Dave.
Possibly true for video... wouldn't know since I shoot little or none of that. However, for still photography, I'd have to see some evidence or testing that proves that point. I've consistently found the IBIS implementation on the X-H1 to be nothing short of remarkable, and if there's any jerkiness, it sure doesn't show up in the VF. Now, I'm referring to stills shooting here, not video, and I haven't read the reviews to know under which conditions this shows up.

Bottom line: I've seen absolutely no disadvantage to the stabilization that IBIS offers as compared to what's commonly found in good quality lenses with OIS support. The obvious advantage is that it stabilizes ALL lenses.

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Apparently (in video use at least) Fuji have the worst implemented ibis of all makes. Reviewers all seemed to say the same thing - jerky.

Seen on YouTube...if I can re-find, I'll post the link.

Dave.
Possibly true for video... wouldn't know since I shoot little or none of that. However, for still photography, I'd have to see some evidence or testing that proves that point. I've consistently found the IBIS implementation on the X-H1 to be nothing short of remarkable, and if there's any jerkiness, it sure doesn't show up in the VF. Now, I'm referring to stills shooting here, not video, and I haven't read the reviews to know under which conditions this shows up.

Bottom line: I've seen absolutely no disadvantage to the stabilization that IBIS offers as compared to what's commonly found in good quality lenses with OIS support. The obvious advantage is that it stabilizes ALL lenses.
Going back to Fuji's comments on the difficulty of putting IBIS in the XT-series, and the fact they had to redesign the shutter and increase the shutter size of the H1and increase the size of the camera over the XT-2 - it could very well be that the absolute movement is limited compared to other implementations. That would not show up on stills where the use of IBiS is different than on video. That would explain the "jerky" performance as the IBIS hits the max movement and has to recenter the sensor - hence a jerk. However, I doubt that even in video that would be an issue unless one were walking or otherwise making body movements.

In reality if I were going to shoot video (which I am not) and were serious about it, the camera would be mounted on a gimbal - IBIS or not. Like Jerry, for stills the IBIS is fine. I have used it on my H1 when I was shooting horses at the track - actually forgot to turn it off - and I was standing in one spot, panning on a horse and firing short burst in AF-C. Every shot was a keeper. I did not detect any jerky performance.



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I agree.

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Dave.
And I have to strongly disagree simply based on my own experience. I shoot both with an X-T2 and X-H1. I use them both more or less interchangeably as needed, most often pairing the X-T2 with lenses that are stabilized (like the 100-400) and the X-H1 with unstabilized lenses, such as the 16-55. However, when traveling, as I am now, I usually only bring a single camera and use it with all lenses I have along. I have never seen any noticeable difference in the detail and IQ that I get with the X-H1 and the X-T2. I have used both cameras with the 100-400 to shot highly detailed subjects such as owls, and would without hesitation bring either camera for that task. At times, I have forgotten to turn OIS off on the 100-400 when shooting owls on a tripod (yeah, I know... sloppy technique), but once again, even when closely pixel peeping, I’ve see absolutely no evidence of lost detail. That goes for either camera, BTW.

So, bottom line, if there is a downside to IBIS, I haven’t encountered it as yet. I find it to be pretty seamless and I have yet to see any evidence of an impact to IQ, regardless whether IBIS is on or off. And, as you know, I often shoot subjects containing a lot of fine detail. I would think that any differences here would be pretty plainly visible. If they exist, they are below my own level of perception, and it’s worth noting that at times, I occasionally enlarge prints to 20x30” and once again, no perceivable issues with loss of detail.

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