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Will the future X-T4 have IBIS or not?

Will the future X-T4 have IBIS or not?

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Greg7579 said:
Jerry-astro said:
Greg7579 said:
solamnus said:
MrSee said:
Who cares. IBIS is not the be all end all!
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Its like when the remote control was invented, everyone could switch the tv on before that, then after if they could not find it suddenly switching the tv on was very tough! šŸ˜‚

now no one can use cameras if its not includedšŸ™ˆ
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That is correct. I have the XT-3 waiting at home. But I will never shoot it because it does not have IBIS.

Are you guys following the logic here?

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
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Hmm, so lets go over the ā€œlogicā€ together. You bought an X-T3 full well knowing it didnā€™t have IBIS, thus planning to use it as a doorstop, perhaps?

So, no, the logic is completely escaping me. Perhaps you can explain further. :-)
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Lost control of myself. Fuji GAS. I knew it didn't have IBIS but I wanted that new sensor and chip. But now I realize that my love for IBIS is so intense that I can not forsake her.

Therefore I can't shoot the XT-3.
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I think you mean shoot with the XT-3. You could certainly shoot it because of the lack of IBIS :-D
 
You have the X-H1. No soup for you! :-)
 
JS Burnie said:
You have the X-H1. No soup for you! :-)
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<sniff> But my X-T2 is getting old and decrepit and desperately needs replacement.

[cue eye roll] :-)
 
OK. Solution = send me your X-T2 and negotiate with Greg. Problem solved! :-)
 
Greg7579 said:
Astrophotographer 10 said:
Greg7579 said:
dual12 said:
I say that I've seen enough of these IBIS X-T threads.
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Goodbye Dual.

You can't stay here because I can promise you that over the next two years you are going to see 5000 IBIS threads if you do. This is a Fuji camera equipment board My Friend.

The single biggest issue Fuji faces is getting IBIS on the XT-4. It is their biggest challenge and we are going to be talking about it and arguing about it every day for a long, long time. Fuji must do this and they know it. Failure is not an option.

Adios. It was nice having you here for a while.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
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I agree, getting IBIS into an XT4 should be their highest priority now the camera seems spot on with AF, video, build, ergonomics etc.

Its the only real "flaw".

They can't say it can't be done as Sony manages to squeeze it into the A6500 which is tiny.

Greg.
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There is no should be. It absolutely is their number one priority. Hard to do unless they change the mount, and they can't do that... This is all absolute fact. You guys can argue this all you want. This is a big deal. Fuji went APSC, which was brilliant. But they designed the mount just a tad too small. They weren't thinking about IBIS back then. Now they are. They have to, or they are screwed.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
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Is the Fuji mount smaller than the emount in Sony APSc?

Greg.
 
Greg7579 said:
Jerry-astro said:
Greg7579 said:
solamnus said:
MrSee said:
Who cares. IBIS is not the be all end all!
Click to expand...
Its like when the remote control was invented, everyone could switch the tv on before that, then after if they could not find it suddenly switching the tv on was very tough! šŸ˜‚

now no one can use cameras if its not includedšŸ™ˆ
Click to expand...
That is correct. I have the XT-3 waiting at home. But I will never shoot it because it does not have IBIS.

Are you guys following the logic here?

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
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Hmm, so lets go over the ā€œlogicā€ together. You bought an X-T3 full well knowing it didnā€™t have IBIS, thus planning to use it as a doorstop, perhaps?

So, no, the logic is completely escaping me. Perhaps you can explain further. :-)
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Lost control of myself. Fuji GAS. I knew it didn't have IBIS but I wanted that new sensor and chip. But now I realize that my love for IBIS is so intense that I can not forsake her.

Therefore I can't shoot the XT-3.

šŸ˜µ

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
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You crack me up Greg.

Greg.
 
celestialemissary said:
Platinum_Jello said:
If they know what they're doing they'll keep it separate/keep the X-T line lean and mean for stills shooters. That said, so many people are crapping their pants over this and flippy flappy vanity screens, they'll probably eventually cave. Then we'll have the same features on every model and you'll have your choice if 10 different versions of the same camera.
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Yeah those people only think about them selfs.
Every camera has to be great for vlogging (even if it's 1.4gb fullframe beast) and it need to have that stupid screen.
No thanks
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When you say "no thanks" does that mean that you're thinking of yourself?
 
solamnus said:
MrSee said:
Who cares. IBIS is not the be all end all!
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Its like when the remote control was invented, everyone could switch the tv on before that, then after if they could not find it suddenly switching the tv on was very tough! šŸ˜‚

now no one can use cameras if its not includedšŸ™ˆ
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You can apply that logic to just about every advance in camera technology throughout the history of photography.
 
John Motts said:
solamnus said:
MrSee said:
Who cares. IBIS is not the be all end all!
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Its like when the remote control was invented, everyone could switch the tv on before that, then after if they could not find it suddenly switching the tv on was very tough! šŸ˜‚

now no one can use cameras if its not includedšŸ™ˆ
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You can apply that logic to just about every advance in camera technology throughout the history of photography.
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Agree. It's like AF, or the ability to quickly change ISO, or the ability to instant review pictures on a screen, of the pentaprisms/EVF to view through the lens, or auto-exposure, or...

It' a pitty that DPR didn't exist when AF has been invented. I'm sure that so many people argued : I (me, myself) can very well focus by myself, so please don't provide AF to anybody, even if I could disable it !
 
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Just wait 18 months or may be 12 for XH2 who knows ??
 
John Motts said:
celestialemissary said:
Platinum_Jello said:
If they know what they're doing they'll keep it separate/keep the X-T line lean and mean for stills shooters. That said, so many people are crapping their pants over this and flippy flappy vanity screens, they'll probably eventually cave. Then we'll have the same features on every model and you'll have your choice if 10 different versions of the same camera.
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Yeah those people only think about them selfs.
Every camera has to be great for vlogging (even if it's 1.4gb fullframe beast) and it need to have that stupid screen.
No thanks
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When you say "no thanks" does that mean that you're thinking of yourself?
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No. There are many cameras that have articulating screen but those people are saying that should be the only type of screen on the market.

If you are behind the camera all the time regular tiltscreen is better since it's faster to use. Flip it up or flip it down and that is it. With articulating screen you have to first move it to the side and than flip it up or down (and it's not centered with the camera and the lens)

I like Tony and Chelsea but they make vlogging such a big thing in their reivew like every person today is vlogging with 1kg+ camera setup so every camera has to be perfect for it from tiny compact to heavy full frame camera.



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He is talking about new Panasonic Fullframe mirrorless that " could have been real 4k vlogging camera" and IMO those cameras look huge. Why would you vlogg with those ?

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Jerry-astro said:
Greg7579 said:
solamnus said:
MrSee said:
Who cares. IBIS is not the be all end all!
Click to expand...
Its like when the remote control was invented, everyone could switch the tv on before that, then after if they could not find it suddenly switching the tv on was very tough! šŸ˜‚

now no one can use cameras if its not includedšŸ™ˆ
Click to expand...
That is correct. I have the XT-3 waiting at home. But I will never shoot it because it does not have IBIS.

Are you guys following the logic here?

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
Click to expand...
Hmm, so lets go over the ā€œlogicā€ together. You bought an X-T3 full well knowing it didnā€™t have IBIS, thus planning to use it as a doorstop, perhaps?

So, no, the logic is completely escaping me. Perhaps you can explain further. :-)
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It's the latest acquisition for the future San Antonio Fuji Museum. I know that I'll go. I can't wait to see the "lost 10-24mm" display. šŸ˜¬
 
Lettermanian said:
It's the latest acquisition for the future San Antonio Fuji Museum. I know that I'll go. I can't wait to see the "lost 10-24mm" display. šŸ˜¬
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Well, if the focus of the museum will be on camera equipment, I can imagine a better donor to get their collection started. It could be one of the few places in existence that have a display of just about every lens that Fuji makes (except that lost 10-24 of course). :-)
 
Jerry-astro said:
Lettermanian said:
It's the latest acquisition for the future San Antonio Fuji Museum. I know that I'll go. I can't wait to see the "lost 10-24mm" display. šŸ˜¬
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Well, if the focus of the museum will be on camera equipment, I can imagine a better donor to get their collection started. It could be one of the few places in existence that have a display of just about every lens that Fuji makes (except that lost 10-24 of course). :-)
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Oops, I meant the Mystery of the Misplaced Mighty 16. I think the 10-24 is still available for display. I've heard the cost of admission will include the opportunity to have an IBIS argument with the head curator...

;-)
 
tokumeino said:
It' a pitty that DPR didn't exist when AF has been invented. I'm sure that so many people argued : I (me, myself) can very well focus by myself, so please don't provide AF to anybody, even if I could disable it !
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That's what I have been thinking too. It would have been the same discussion: Not necessary when you have good technique, too heavy and so on.
 
tokumeino said:
John Motts said:
solamnus said:
MrSee said:
Who cares. IBIS is not the be all end all!
Click to expand...
Its like when the remote control was invented, everyone could switch the tv on before that, then after if they could not find it suddenly switching the tv on was very tough! šŸ˜‚

now no one can use cameras if its not includedšŸ™ˆ
Click to expand...
You can apply that logic to just about every advance in camera technology throughout the history of photography.
Click to expand...
Agree. It's like AF, or the ability to quickly change ISO, or the ability to instant review pictures on a screen, of the pentaprisms/EVF to view through the lens, or auto-exposure, or...

It' a pitty that DPR didn't exist when AF has been invented. I'm sure that so many people argued : I (me, myself) can very well focus by myself, so please don't provide AF to anybody, even if I could disable it !
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Hehe yes sure. But i do think its also a little different now a days. Because technology advance so much faster in general around us, that We are so much worse when it comes to patience about how We expect things to be and are almost dependent on these crutches around us to live our daily life.

So when something does not exist at this stage and also expect it, not only do We get angry and surprised when it does not instead of trying to accept it and work around it, We are also worse when it comes to find those other solutions or trying to get better by training to lessen those shortcomings from Said technology.

also( this Im not sure of but i assume)

did camera bodies came out with a new model this freequently?

It seems to me also that going from no Af to getting it is a pretty major advancement while i feel IBIS is not that big of a deal, at least not for me.

But yes Otherwise We are of course human and i also think We had those same diskussions about similar things, But i just think We were also a little bit more patient and We become lazier and have less patience as time goes byšŸ˜…

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solamnus said:
virgil1612 said:
I just bought the X-T100 and I decided that my future Fuji body, whenever it comes (for me) will have IBIS. I wonder if Fuji will put IBIS in the X-T4 or IBIS will used exclusively in the X-H bodies. What do you say?
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I can see why some people want it But at the same time Im as always a bit surprised about how many people suddenly can not be without a new feature and suddenly deem gear without Said new feature worthless or at least something they would not even buy , regardless of it being a great camera in every other aspects .
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When the X series launched, with a big emphasis on primes, none of which were stabilised, the lack of IBIS stood out. It has been a discussion point ever since. Fuji made a bad first choice.

Personally, I only own stabilised zooms and don't have much interest in primes, which is why I was willing to buy into the system. But I think IBIS deals with a design flaw that was there from the beginning, so the demand for it doesn't surprise me at all.
 
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