Need advice - From D7000 + Tokina 11-16 to Lightweight Mirrorless

Falul · Oct 22, 2018

I love my Nikon D7000 + Tokina 11-16, Nikkor 16-85 , and Nikkor 35mm

The thing is that I found out I frequently prefer to leave the cam in the bag or at home and I am not enjoying it for its weight.

I am thinking about buying the lightweight Fujifilm X-T20 / E3 but I am not sure that I'll be happy about the 16-85 kit lens.

budget is around 1000$ and I thought it will be wise to keep with the APS sensor size.

Is there any recommendation for a light system with one or two lenses of ~12-60 mm (18-90 equivalent) that will feel like an upgrade? and I won't feel I am compromising on the quality?

Thanks!

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KCook · Oct 22, 2018

I'm skeptical that you will find a slam dunk answer to this quest. But check over on the forum for Fujifilm X System on this site.

Kelly Cook

golfhov · Oct 23, 2018

Falul said:
I love my Nikon D7000 + Tokina 11-16, Nikkor 16-85 , and Nikkor 35mm

The thing is that I found out I frequently prefer to leave the cam in the bag or at home and I am not enjoying it for its weight.

I am thinking about buying the lightweight Fujifilm X-T20 / E3 but I am not sure that I'll be happy about the 16-85 kit lens.

why not?

Falul said:
budget is around 1000$ and I thought it will be wise to keep with the APS sensor size.

well you cannot get the same kit for close to that price. The UWA alone blows your budget. A comprimise would be a rokinon manual UWA prime.....

Falul said:
Is there any recommendation for a light system with one or two lenses of ~12-60 mm (18-90 equivalent) that will feel like an upgrade? and I won't feel I am compromising on the quality?

Fuji, Sony, and M43 all allow you to build a lighter setup similar to your current one. they all exceed your budget so there isn't much point in discussing quality

Falul said:
Thanks!

Looking at your percentage of UWA shots I wouldn't even think about changing/upgrading until you have a larger budget or cheaper UWA zooms are released

Falul · Oct 23, 2018

A new X-T20 with 18-55 costs ~1000$

Why I am not sure that I'll be happy with it? because I afraid I might find it too narrow angle..

I would love any recommendation, even if out of the budget, for a set I could buy 2nd hand or new. I must have my camera to be more portable and comfy

I spend most of my time abroad with only a backpack of a size of a dslr bag...

Thanks!!!

golfhov · Oct 23, 2018

Falul said:
A new X-T20 with 18-55 costs ~1000$

Why I am not sure that I'll be happy with it? because I afraid I might find it too narrow angle..

Sorry. I got that. The only Fuji UWA cost almost your entire budget. So it isn't even a real consideration.

Falul said:
I would love any recommendation, even if out of the budget, for a set I could buy 2nd hand or new. I must have my camera to be more portable and comfy

You can get the Fuji and UWA somewhere around 1600???? I think. You can get an a6000 for maybe a little less with the 10-18. You can get several 4/3 bodies with their slower UWA for around the same bidget

Falul said:
I spend most of my time abroad with only a backpack of a size of a dslr bag...

You need to get to a store that has this stuff in stock.......and greatly expand your budget

Falul said:
Thanks!!!

Good luck

Legosaurus · Oct 23, 2018

golfhov said:
You can get the Fuji and UWA somewhere around 1600???? I think. You can get an a6000 for maybe a little less with the 10-18. You can get several 4/3 bodies with their slower UWA for around the same bidget

If the rectilinear optics and/or wide aperture of the Tokina is important to him, he doesn't really have options.

golfhov · Oct 23, 2018

Legosaurus said:
golfhov said:

You can get the Fuji and UWA somewhere around 1600???? I think. You can get an a6000 for maybe a little less with the 10-18. You can get several 4/3 bodies with their slower UWA for around the same bidget

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If the rectilinear optics and/or wide aperture of the Tokina is important to him, he doesn't really have options.

Yes to rectilinear. No to wide aperture.

He could adapt but that won't help......

Legosaurus · Oct 23, 2018

Sorry, do you mean he has good rectilinear, or wide aperture options in a compact ultrawide lens?

KCook · Oct 23, 2018

Least expensive mirrorless UWA kit is a Canon M series with EF-M 11-22 zoom. Nikon fans like their sensor better. And none of the budget M bodies have a viewfinder.

Kelly

fishy wishy · Oct 24, 2018

You could get an Olympus E-M1 + 9-18 f4-5.6 & 14-54 f2.8-3.5 on a 4/3 adapter and come easily under budget.

Two finesses are: You need the E-M1 to have a chance of autofocusing with them because it is the only model with PDAF for the old style of lenses, and the adapter adds about 1.5cm to the lens length but not much weight. Apart from that, they are small lenses.

Or you could get a Canon SL2/200D with 10-18 and Tamron 17-50 f2.8 lenses that will be smaller and cheap. It is after all the smallest DSLR.

The D7000 you have is a mid-size DSLR and the 11-16 is not small, so you have scope to decrease the size even in DSLRs, if you will accept smaller apertures in return for image stabilisation.

Fuji is not really a value for money system. You will not get the same kind of thing and come under budget.

zackiedawg · Oct 24, 2018

Legosaurus said:
Sorry, do you mean he has good rectilinear, or wide aperture options in a compact ultrawide lens?

I think he's saying that there are rectilinear options such as the 10-18mm Sony he mentioned, or Canon's 10-22mm UWA, or Fuji's 10-24mm, for the compact mirrorless bodies, but none would match the F2.8 max aperture.

Whether F4 will still be plenty, especially considering some of the newer compact APS-C bodies may have sufficiently better high ISO performance, plus stabilization, that might well compensate for the loss of a stop of aperture...is up to the original poster. The bigger problem is budget - $1000 won't get any of these UWA lenses plus body unless finding a good used bargain.

The Canon EOS-M is probably the only compact APS-C that can be purchased with the 11-22mm UWA for within his budget...whether the EOS-M bodies and designs would work for the OP is another question.

Legosaurus · Oct 24, 2018

I mean for more compact options than they currently have though, as per their problem with the current kit. The Fuji has a noticeable weight difference, but that is it.

golfhov · Oct 24, 2018

Legosaurus said:
I mean for more compact options than they currently have though, as per their problem with the current kit. The Fuji has a noticeable weight difference, but that is it.

Sony and 4/3 would both weigh less too. Not 2.8.......or 4/3 has 2.8 but yes not same light collection

zackiedawg · Oct 24, 2018

The Sony E-mount option would be much lighter and smaller, and rectilinear, and is a constant F4, so only a stop slower.

The Tokina 11-16mm is 550g, and 3.31" x 3.51".

The Sony 10-18mm F4 comes in at 225G, 2.76" x 2.5", and has stabilization.

The Canon EOS-M 11-22mm is F4-5.6, so slower at the longer end, but 220G and 2.4" x 2.29".

Fuji's is a bit larger and heavier than the Sony or Canon, at 410g and nearly the same size as the Tokina.

Falul · Oct 24, 2018

Thanks !

I wasn't considering 4/3s because of the sensor ratio which is I understood is less wide than the normal ratios.

I was reading about people who moved from a Nikon system to the Fujifilm reporting that they just feel it is much more fun to take photos and they don't have to be worried on each frame if it was in focus or not, they just trust the camera to produce great shots.

So I wonder if I found my self in the wide ranges because the quality of the Tokina & 35prime that gave me this fun -
Then, it means that I will get use to the X-T20 18-55 easily and forget about wider angels?

I am going back to the Fujifilm kit because when reading about the sony or olympus systems, even with the great reviews, I didn't find this excitement as those X-T20 users have when writing about their cameras and kit lens.

(+ the Fuji 10-24 is heavy )

Thanks again for all the input!

Legosaurus · Oct 24, 2018

Must have looked at a different Canon and Sony and Fuji. Either that or I can't read when sleep deprived. Wish I could stay asleep

beagle1 · Oct 25, 2018

Falul said:
Thanks !

I wasn't considering 4/3s because of the sensor ratio which is I understood is less wide than the normal ratios.

I was reading about people who moved from a Nikon system to the Fujifilm reporting that they just feel it is much more fun to take photos and they don't have to be worried on each frame if it was in focus or not, they just trust the camera to produce great shots.

So I wonder if I found my self in the wide ranges because the quality of the Tokina & 35prime that gave me this fun -
Then, it means that I will get use to the X-T20 18-55 easily and forget about wider angels?

I am going back to the Fujifilm kit because when reading about the sony or olympus systems, even with the great reviews, I didn't find this excitement as those X-T20 users have when writing about their cameras and kit lens.

(+ the Fuji 10-24 is heavy )

Thanks again for all the input!

good luck with all the excitement

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Bobthearch · Oct 25, 2018

You would save a significant amount of weight and bulk by 'upgrading' to a D5500 or D5600 with the AF-P 18-55 kit lens. You'd have an incredibly light weight and compact walk-around kit while still retaining the ability to use that beautiful Tokina and your other lenses when you wish. Most/all of your other accessories will likely be compatible as well, perhaps saving a bit more $$.

I travel overseas with that same Tokina. Love it for landscapes and scenery. On long rugged hikes though I leave it in the hotel or car.

Falul · Oct 25, 2018

Do you really recommend on the Nikkor 18-55 lens?
Isn't it a kit lens like they used to make kit lenses in the past? (bad)?
I'm just asking because I have no idea.

Bobthearch · Oct 25, 2018

Falul said:
Do you really recommend on the Nikkor 18-55 lens?
Isn't it a kit lens like they used to make kit lenses in the past? (bad)?
I'm just asking because I have no idea.

The newer versions of the Nikon 18-55 kit lens are quite nice.

I'm using the older AF-S VRii version, which is perfectly capable.

The new AF-P version with VR is supposed to be even better.

Sure there are trade-offs. But from a collapsible lens that weighs 6.88 ounces, here's what you get:

No edits or adjustments, SOOC conversion. Probably using Landscape picture control.

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