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While I love the price the cost of missing a photo can be very high. I am trying to arrange a loaner so I can see if the XT-3 can keep up.
I am also leaning towards sony because of the 42 megapixel option.
If money was no object(#powerball) then I would get 2 a9 and a a7riii.
I am also leaning towards sony because of the 42 megapixel option.
If money was no object(#powerball) then I would get 2 a9 and a a7riii.
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I ran both systems for a year or so. I often have had Fuji cameras - they are overall fabulous.
I would wait for the imminent release of the Sony high end APSc camera.
A7r3 is in another league though to Fuji XT series. I had XT2. Yes the zooms are cheaper but not so much the primes. A lot are similar in price so I question your financial workout.
The main negatives for Fuji XT3 are the reported freeze ups it is having trouble with (don't expect a quick fix for it as XT2 had the same issue and I don't think it was ever fully handled).
And no IBIS.
The other issue is RAW converters and the weaker resolution Xtrans gives in some scenes
Colour used to be the strong point but A7iii has probably put it in Sony's favour now.
XT3 is a formidable camera and if you get one I am sure you will be delighted. Its very full featured except for the lack of IBIS which is a technical shame.
Sony's APSc will have IBIS, probably the same sensor and a hot AF system, super EVF etc etc.
I suspect it will be fierce competition to the XT3.
I personally don't regard XT3 as serious competition to a full frame A7iii and certainly not an A7r3. A7r3 despite all these new releases is far and above the competition. I mean how can you fault it? Vague things like ergonomics and menus?
Greg.
I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.
I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.
PWPhotography
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I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9
Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.
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TQGroup
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Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?
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[/QUOTE]Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?
Mostly because Sony only recently released a 400 mm f/2.8 (sports), the A9 is still relatively new, and Sony’s Pro services are significantly lacking compared to those from Canon and Nikon. Also, most pros that shoot for the services don’t own their gear, their employers do. Lots of inertia of expensive gear libraries that won’t be replaced soon or easily by the new kid on the block, no matter the advantages.
I have to second your assessment of Sony cameras. I'm sure some people have experienced lock ups, but having used an A7R II for a year and now an A9 for a year and having shot well over 100,000 photos and recorded hours of video across the two, I can report that I have never had a lock up or issue with the hardware.I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9
Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.
They aren't the fastest cameras to boot up, and the interface can lag slightly at times, but I've never had any lock up issues.
TQGroup
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Mostly because Sony only recently released a 400 mm f/2.8 (sports), the A9 is still relatively new, and Sony’s Pro services are significantly lacking compared to those from Canon and Nikon. Also, most pros that shoot for the services don’t own their gear, their employers do. Lots of inertia of expensive gear libraries that won’t be replaced soon or easily by the new kid on the block, no matter the advantages.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?
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Or until the major disadvantages are rectified
TQGroup
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Nice to hear about the no lock upsI have to second your assessment of Sony cameras. I'm sure some people have experienced lock ups, but having used an A7R II for a year and now an A9 for a year and having shot well over 100,000 photos and recorded hours of video across the two, I can report that I have never had a lock up or issue with the hardware.I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9
Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.
They aren't the fastest cameras to boot up, and the interface can lag slightly at times, but I've never had any lock up issues.
A pro measures shooting speed as the time taken from image opportunity (conceptualisation) to image exposed correctly. It includes boot and lag time.
There is a reason the 1Dxiv and the D5 are so big and heavy so are the main pro lenses ;-)
PWPhotography
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There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
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Seriously why you keep trolling here? I virtually never heard any Sony A7-series and A9 lockup issue, so please not apply other brands' lockup issue to Sony. Otherwise if you search you also will find 1Dx II and D5 lockup claim by a few.Nice to hear about the no lock upsI have to second your assessment of Sony cameras. I'm sure some people have experienced lock ups, but having used an A7R II for a year and now an A9 for a year and having shot well over 100,000 photos and recorded hours of video across the two, I can report that I have never had a lock up or issue with the hardware.I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9
Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.
They aren't the fastest cameras to boot up, and the interface can lag slightly at times, but I've never had any lock up issues.
A9 AF is very fast, faster than 1Dx II and D5. It's not new that ML gains AF lock faster than DSLR, already years ago. Sure A9 takes longer to power on but sport and wildlife photos usually leave their cameras on most times. Otherwise no noticeable lag in A9 if you ever tried. 20fps A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments that otherwise will miss with 12fps D5 and 14fps 1Ds II.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums/72157697486950524
I took two airshow events in last few months with A9+FE 100-400 GM, super AF lock speed and accuracy, virtually 100% hit rate.
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Um-6hojUBOJK2srLSuL1cMeDq1Kib0U6
7 GIFs from consecutive burst shots under 10fps on the Blue Angels with A9, every shot is tack sharp. I took 17,280+ RAW files in the last airshow and 2nd battery was still 32% left from the vertical power grip.
Thanks A9 doesn't have brick size/weight of 1Dx II and D5, therefore I can carry into even vacation trips. Virtually no D5 and 1Dx II owners want to carry bricks into Alps hiking and entire day city walking, no mention they don't even have any IQ advantages.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums/72157673028902128
A9 effectively replaced A7 II now is my 2nd cameras into any trips even regular vacation trips, virtually no D5 and 1Dx II owners would do the same ;-)
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There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
PWPhotography
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There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
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just curious what actual experience you have with shooting sports? given that you are a nobody out here, and both your gallery and challenge profiles are blank... and with that zero sports background, you claim to be qualified to tell us what pros shoot with? lol, I think not.My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.
This takes into account the entire shooting process.
no, that's not how real sports af works.
the a9 can do up to 60 af/ae calcs a second, so it doesn't need to rely on prediction as much as dslrs do.
sony fe lenses are mostly all rated at 15-20fps on the a9, with constant af-c, which no ff dslr on the planet can match: http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp...ilce9/continuousshooting/en/index.html?id=spt
and the a9 delivers that 15-20fps frame rate, while the d5/1dxmk2 can't match their advertised frame rates.
TQGroup
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There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
PWPhotography
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There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
I first to check my needs in my usage areas and then refer to others' opinions and experiences related to my needs and shooting areas.
Sure we all have our different needs, different shooting areas and different priority. To me A7r III and A9 combo can compete to any FF DSLRs that I am very sure about. For example D5 maybe better in sport fields with busy background such as in basketball arena due to its well known 3D AF stickiness. But this is not my shooting area while A9 has excellent stickiness as well in isolated subjects that are my shooting areas in BIF or airshow etc. Then due to 20fps and much wider AF point coverage, I can see A9 will have an advantage in those areas. I didn't claim A9 is better in every area and in every application but certainly better in many other areas and applications. The point is A9 is better in my shooting area that only matters.
Again to our respective shooting area and priority. To me A9 overall is better. Similarly to me A7r III is better than D850 and 5DsR/5D IV in my usage - IBIS, no MFA ever needed, EFC right in EVF that also much easier for MF, dual-gain ISO implementation, DR at ISO 100 that matches to ISO 64 from D850 and then better in all other ISOs, high ISO...
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Speaking of nobodies with empty challenges and galleries...just curious what actual experience you have with shooting sports? given that you are a nobody out here, and both your gallery and challenge profiles are blank... and with that zero sports background, you claim to be qualified to tell us what pros shoot with? lol, I think not.My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.
This takes into account the entire shooting process.
And yet, the D5 is considered the best camera for AF and sports
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There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now... :-OI have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same
Smart.
Not yet for fast BIF tracking...
Right.
For yourself anyway.
Absolutely. Notice I never claim one camera is better than another for somebody else.
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