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mcslsk
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So if I only use high end 3rd party batteries (I promisse) at a better price than Brand - should the warning be made optional then?
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Wow. You could have saved a lot of money … I prefer a pretty small gear collection without all those items that I rarely use.
It is jut a warning. It doesn't stop you from using 3. party batteries.
And 3. party, that is everything from junk to just fine. But you have to sort out what is good enough for yourself.
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How could your camera know the difference between 3. party battery qualities?
Nothing more to add to this discussion. I have already repeated myself a few times … ;-)
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Rmcp20
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Wouldn't the logic be the same for a cheaper camera?
Only an idiot thinks its camera is more expensive then a car, where they put 3rd party batteries!
And by the way, feeling safer by only using batteries from its camera brand is one thing, saying everything else is dangerous is something only a real idiot would say.
And by the way, we are not discussing 3rd party batteries, but instead, a message that pops up in new cameras.
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mcslsk
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How about the lack of capacity indication sicne 2.0?
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Rmcp20
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Yesterday i started praying for Sony A7III cameras to have battery problems, like catching fire with original Z batteries and that being on the news.
I am already seeing my self bying an A7III with the coins in my pocket, because as it seems lots of owners wouldn't even consider buying 3rd party batteries
, so the only solution would be selling the camera.
Now as a matter of warning, and this is a real one, to try and bring something useful to this thread.
More important than batteries, are USB wall plugs, battery charges and cables, specially type-C USB cables. When using them, make sure they have the standard specifications for type C cables, otherwise you cameras will be pulling more power than a wall plug or cable can deliver, and that is an accident waiting to happen.
I am already seeing my self bying an A7III with the coins in my pocket, because as it seems lots of owners wouldn't even consider buying 3rd party batteries
, so the only solution would be selling the camera.Now as a matter of warning, and this is a real one, to try and bring something useful to this thread.
More important than batteries, are USB wall plugs, battery charges and cables, specially type-C USB cables. When using them, make sure they have the standard specifications for type C cables, otherwise you cameras will be pulling more power than a wall plug or cable can deliver, and that is an accident waiting to happen.
Dennis from Florida
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The issue isn't that the battery functions at some level. The issue is it says Sony on the packaging. It is an illegal scam and many people are paying money for something they believe is quality.
Sony has every right to squash this.
The fakers can sell under a different name but not Sony.
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mcslsk
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Dennis, we are not talking fake batteries here. We are talking legitimate 3rd party batteries.
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I really dont want to get rude here, but using this equivalence completely disqualifies you in this discussion. We are talking about lithium batteries which are on a completely different level than lead batteries. Do some reading.
It is not only a complete different technology with a different application and different risks. In a car you also have a stupid cell block without electronics while the car itself takes control of charging / discharging - much more controllable if you replace it.
Also all this "use sony cards, lenses, tripods only!" argument drives me insane. No one f*** cares if you use off brand lenses or tripods because none of these could kill you while sleeping. Also we never caught manufacturers of lenses, card or any other stuff to use such dangerous methods to make their stuff compatible like faking temperature readings. The battery is a critical part of your camera and has to be made for it. While they communicate data, you as a normal person can in no way know if it is working correctly or not. If your lens would fake the auto focus you would immediately see it and send it back.
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mcslsk
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Then why did Sony initially limit AF focus zones for adapted lenses? Safety reasons? To enhance customer experience.
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I know less about lens communication then batteries, so I would do some research before commenting on this. You know the other option is to throw some half-knowledge around and bragging with wrong equivalence and conspiracy theories...
But just for your information, Nikon did the same on the Nikon 1 system. The Full-Frame-Adapters from Canon and Nikon also bring limitations for example in framerate (would not expect this being naive). So yes, there is probably a reason you just dont understand. Sorry to tell you not everyone and everything is trying to exploit and betray you.
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When I posted the above I realised this thread was going to get silly but I had no idea just how bad it would get.
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myfujilife
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I'd say it has nothing to do with that or Sony wouldn't be putting the warning out for other batteries. This is Sony trying to scare the users into using OEM at a high cost, nothing more, nothing less
Paul Barnard
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Isn't the point here that they are warning you that it's not a Sony battery, not stopping you from using it. No choice being taken away.
Personally I have never seen the annoying warning because my choice is to use genuine batteries. I have had past experience of third party batteries that has driven my choice in this matter.
The proliferation of fake batteries makes me find the prospect of a warning when i put a fake battery in my camera to be very reassuring.
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myfujilife
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Actually, they are warning you every time you switch on the camera, I think what people are complaining about is that when you switch on the camera, you get the message, have to click OK and you could miss a critical moment as a result because they don't give you the option to switch it off. If they gave you the option to switch it off because you don't care, people would probably be happy
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mcslsk
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In fact, I would then appreciate that option as a way to make sure that a Sony battery is not a fake.
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A third party could fail, but would it destroy the camera? To me the most likely thing is that battery expands or catches fire during charging, that's when the battery is at most risk. If you charge in the camera, of course that would destroy the camera. The risks are increased if the battery gets hot (e.g. left in a car in the sun), short circuits is physically damaged, but that's true of 1st party batteries too.
Sony fz100 battery is £75 in the UK, a third party one is £30 and two 18650 cells with the same capacity and to make 7.2v is £10. I doubt somehow Sony is sourcing some special kind cells for their batteries that never fail. I couldn't find anyone who had taken a Sony battery apart, but it seems likely it's two cells inside and chip. This is pretty interesting though: https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/10/28/counterfeit-battery-fakes-with-risks
Sony fz100 battery is £75 in the UK, a third party one is £30 and two 18650 cells with the same capacity and to make 7.2v is £10. I doubt somehow Sony is sourcing some special kind cells for their batteries that never fail. I couldn't find anyone who had taken a Sony battery apart, but it seems likely it's two cells inside and chip. This is pretty interesting though: https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/10/28/counterfeit-battery-fakes-with-risks
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Dennis from Florida
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Sorry...my bad
