peterpet
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I don't bring my 5D right now, but here the shoot from 5D some time ago with almost the same adjustment;
5D Mark IV, Exposure +5 and Shadows +69
Best regards,
Peter
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5D Mark IV, Exposure +5 and Shadows +69
Best regards,
Peter
Thanks for posting,
This looks great. I would be completely happy with this. Mine seems way worse.
Did you shoot dual pixel or normal raw?
peterpet
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I never shoot dual pixel.
For make sure, I just take a look on my R, and Dual Pixel RAW is set: disable
peterpet
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Usually I found it in the dark shadow or black area.
Some sample I post above originally has black color (the shirt is black too).
It is pushed too far until it looks like grey..
thanks, I'm gonna go to the store on Wednesday to try another copy and hopefully it is like yours.I never shoot dual pixel.
For make sure, I just take a look on my R, and Dual Pixel RAW is set: disable
peterpet
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Before you return it to the store, please make sure that you make the adjustment in Lightroom using the TIFF file that converted from CR3 (not the C-RAW) using DPP.thanks, I'm gonna go to the store on Wednesday to try another copy and hopefully it is like yours.I never shoot dual pixel.
For make sure, I just take a look on my R, and Dual Pixel RAW is set: disable
So, from camera CR3 - convert to the TIFF using DPP - then you may edit the TIF files using Lightroom.
This tips is shared on another thread and works very well on me
thanks for the tip! Just one thing: I'm not buying a 2500 euro camera next to my 5d4 (which is fine) to have to go this route to not get banding.Before you return it to the store, please make sure that you make the adjustment in Lightroom using the TIFF file that converted from CR3 (not the C-RAW) using DPP.thanks, I'm gonna go to the store on Wednesday to try another copy and hopefully it is like yours.I never shoot dual pixel.
For make sure, I just take a look on my R, and Dual Pixel RAW is set: disable
So, from camera CR3 - convert to the TIFF using DPP - then you may edit the TIF files using Lightroom.
This tips is shared on another thread and works very well on me
Addition: Also 16 bit tif is way different color and highlight response than a normal raw or dog file in car or c1. SO it's not really a solution for me.
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Usually I found it in the dark shadow or black area.
Some sample I post above originally has black color (the shirt is black too).
It is pushed too far until it looks like grey..
It's also in the imaging resource camera (sample cr3 downloaded from their site)
I don't consider a 2,7 stop push and some shadow recovery to be an extreme use case.
( And yes DPP should be less banding but I also can't work with it workflow wise)
peterpet
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It seems they convert the CR3 file to DNG, and not TIFF.Usually I found it in the dark shadow or black area.
Some sample I post above originally has black color (the shirt is black too).
It is pushed too far until it looks like grey..
It's also in the imaging resource camera (sample cr3 downloaded from their site)
I don't consider a 2,7 stop push and some shadow recovery to be an extreme use case.
( And yes DPP should be less banding but I also can't work with it workflow wise)
I think every camera must have the limitation.
Even Sony or Nikon will also have bending if you you push it beyond their limit.
However, in my my test, the limit for our EOS R is not just 5 stops.
John Sheehy
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The camera is jumping back and forth between two distinct mean black levels, and the converters are ignoring it and treating it like signal. This is independent of subject matter. It is just more obvious when it drives a neutral color towards one or two different colors. If the subject had a strong orange color, it would just be two subtly different oranges; not two very different colors.
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I looked at that one the other day and that streak appears to be in the actual scene that was photographed - not sure it is from the camera or the processing. It is not parallel to the edges of the frame which I would expect if it were a sensor issue.Usually I found it in the dark shadow or black area.
Some sample I post above originally has black color (the shirt is black too).
It is pushed too far until it looks like grey..
It's also in the imaging resource camera (sample cr3 downloaded from their site)
I don't consider a 2,7 stop push and some shadow recovery to be an extreme use case.
( And yes DPP should be less banding but I also can't work with it workflow wise)
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The banding in the example above is in the vertical (Up/down) and looks like purple and green alternating bands of different widths. All seem parallel to the edges. Is that what you are seeing?I looked at that one the other day and that streak appears to be in the actual scene that was photographed - not sure it is from the camera or the processing. It is not parallel to the edges of the frame which I would expect if it were a sensor issue.Usually I found it in the dark shadow or black area.
Some sample I post above originally has black color (the shirt is black too).
It is pushed too far until it looks like grey..
It's also in the imaging resource camera (sample cr3 downloaded from their site)
I don't consider a 2,7 stop push and some shadow recovery to be an extreme use case.
( And yes DPP should be less banding but I also can't work with it workflow wise)
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He used the camera verticaly, so the banding is horizontal as common.The banding in the example above is in the vertical (Up/down) and looks like purple and green alternating bands of different widths. All seem parallel to the edges. Is that what you are seeing?I looked at that one the other day and that streak appears to be in the actual scene that was photographed - not sure it is from the camera or the processing. It is not parallel to the edges of the frame which I would expect if it were a sensor issue.Usually I found it in the dark shadow or black area.
Some sample I post above originally has black color (the shirt is black too).
It is pushed too far until it looks like grey..
It's also in the imaging resource camera (sample cr3 downloaded from their site)
I don't consider a 2,7 stop push and some shadow recovery to be an extreme use case.
( And yes DPP should be less banding but I also can't work with it workflow wise)
I'd like to learn some more: Is this something other cams also do? meaning: Does the 5d4 do this also and do adobe and capture one have a way to suppress the results when native support for the cr3 's is provided?
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I'm aware of that but was describing the banding in the example above to help understand if David was seeing what I was seeing as he was referring to "That Streak" which seemed to not be related to the banding in the exampleHe used the camera verticaly, so the banding is horizontal as common.The banding in the example above is in the vertical (Up/down) and looks like purple and green alternating bands of different widths. All seem parallel to the edges. Is that what you are seeing?I looked at that one the other day and that streak appears to be in the actual scene that was photographed - not sure it is from the camera or the processing. It is not parallel to the edges of the frame which I would expect if it were a sensor issue.
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You're right . I was talking about the purple green vertical bands indeed. Not the lighter band horizontally, that's just what was photographed.I'm aware of that but was describing the banding in the example above to help understand if David was seeing what I was seeing as he was referring to "That Streak" which seemed to not be related to the banding in the exampleHe used the camera verticaly, so the banding is horizontal as common.The banding in the example above is in the vertical (Up/down) and looks like purple and green alternating bands of different widths. All seem parallel to the edges. Is that what you are seeing?I looked at that one the other day and that streak appears to be in the actual scene that was photographed - not sure it is from the camera or the processing. It is not parallel to the edges of the frame which I would expect if it were a sensor issue.
John Sheehy
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Only in the new Canons, AFAIK. Most banding on other cameras has more random black offsets for lines, rather than two distinct groups.
This is the same as the 5D4; it just seems more common, so far. Did these converters correct it for the 5D4? If not, then perhaps they never will for the R.
Robert Boyer
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my findings as well, similar to other Canon sensors including MkIV in DPP, we'll see once the actual support is in LR but I'm not concerned you pretty much have to push things that were black in the original to mid-tones or farther.I also feel confused to see so many banding images in this thread.
I try several time to push my images and didn't get those overly banding image.
If we push too much, it is appear a little.. but it is the same with 5D Mark IV.
In my opinion, it is very normal..
Here my try;
Push the exposure to the max (+5)
Push the exposure and shadow to the max (+5 and +100)
In this extreme condition It shows some banding..
My 5D Mark IV also has the same banding if you push it that far..
However it is still very good and very normal.
Best regards,
Peter
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