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Anyone come across any banding issues yet?
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I am doing it in DPP, pushing the brightness all the way up, then adjusting the shadow to +5 and pulling them even more in the gamma adjustment. I acknowledge it's way more than I would do in any reasonable photo (noise is horrible after the treatment), but there was some banding in the noise lifted in the black areas where my 80d in the same conditions shows just random noise.
Then I must have changed something and now there is literally none, or maybe just a very faint hint I would't vouch for. I am trying to determine now if it was picking up flickering from my screen or something.
Then I must have changed something and now there is literally none, or maybe just a very faint hint I would't vouch for. I am trying to determine now if it was picking up flickering from my screen or something.
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Tony Parenti
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Just got back from shooting with the R. It seriously is a joy to use. I shot RAW+JPEG and the jpegs its putting out are pretty freakin great. I shot with the 35L II and focus was lightning fast. Being able to see he exposure in the EVF is insane. Im going to reserve my comment on banding until Adobe updates ACR/Lr. I can tweak the jpegs to 90% of my editting style for now.
Just to add more information this hass been my experience as well. Using DPP seems to solve this (or make it similar to the 5DIV). I've been disappointed with the new DNG convertor.
I'm anxious for DXO to update their software. Until then I will be using DPP4.9 to make TIF files from the CR3.
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I'm anxious for DXO to update their software. Until then I will be using DPP4.9 to make TIF files from the CR3.
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Unfortunately I can confirm banding with my R as well. I can see it in the DNGs from Adobe converter and the CR3 opened directly in DPP. Curiously I don't see it in higher ISOs, below example is ISO 100.
peterpet
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Hi all,
I just try to compare the following pictures;
- One is shoot with 5D Mark IV and EF 24-70mm f/2.8 II
- One is shoot with EOS R and RF 24-105mm
Both shoot in 24mm, F4, 1/125, iso 320.
I am not familiar with DPP.
I don't really know how the professional reviewer test the banding.
What I do is just to push the brightness to maximal (+3) and the shadow (+5) to maximal too, like this;
And here is the result;
Both image view in 100%
I don't see any banding.
The result is almost the same.
Could you guess, which one is the EOS R?
Best regards,
Peter
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David Hull
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Does this show up on the in camera JPEGS?
Thoughts R Us
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It’s getting silly season again.
If you have to ask because it’s so hard to notice then it’s probaly not a problem.
It reminds me of the HiFi wars of the 70s and 80s. People would worry about useless stuff like minute differences in frequency response outside of the range of hunan hearing, instead of just listening.
It’s gotten to be the same way with cameras today. They are all so good in a technical sense that some try to manufacture differences and controversy.
More professional images and award winning photos have been taken with supposedly inferior Canon sensors for years now. That shows more the deficiencies of the way some evaluate sensors than any problem with Canon equipment.
If you have to ask because it’s so hard to notice then it’s probaly not a problem.
It reminds me of the HiFi wars of the 70s and 80s. People would worry about useless stuff like minute differences in frequency response outside of the range of hunan hearing, instead of just listening.
It’s gotten to be the same way with cameras today. They are all so good in a technical sense that some try to manufacture differences and controversy.
More professional images and award winning photos have been taken with supposedly inferior Canon sensors for years now. That shows more the deficiencies of the way some evaluate sensors than any problem with Canon equipment.
David Hull
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The camera offers the CR2 format (just RAW), anyone try that?
peterpet
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Eos R using CR3, not CR2.
I try to push CR3 file as far as I can using DPP and do not find any banding.
Just get almost same result with my 5D Mark IV.
Maybe for certain condition it is appear.
Or maybe by convert it to DNG then adjusting with lightroom it is appear.
Absolutely nothing to worry for me.
Best regards,
Peter
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Yesterday I did some shots and that one has a lot! Just rising the Shadows to 100
The DNG from the CR3 converted with Adobe DNG 11.0
+100 Shadows
The DNG from the CR3 converted with Adobe DNG 11.0
+100 Shadows
davel33
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I used CR2 , seemed to work with very little banding at ISO 100
Lobbamobba
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No-one knows yet. Until there's native raw support in the editors all tests are pretty much speculation only. Converters can't be trusted for this type of thing.
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That doesn't mean that the Canon sensors aren't historically more prone to FPN by thier design than some other sensors when shooting/processing at the limits. It's only an issue when shooting at the extremes but folks shouldn't not push there photography to the extremes if they want. Lots of ways to deal well with FPN. I've seen a lot of extreme 5DIII images, for example, show a lot of FPN that cleaned up pretty well in PP....to the point of not having a practical affect on the final result. In this case....good to test/learn....schools still out as to how well the EOS R deals with FPN.
Dont push DNG's ... Export this with DPP to TIFF16bit and then push it with lightroom. It will look better...Yesterday I did some shots and that one has a lot! Just rising the Shadows to 100
The DNG from the CR3 converted with Adobe DNG 11.0
+100 Shadows
John Sheehy
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Most banding noise is not FPN. I don't know how the two ever came to be equated.
FPN is offsets to pixels, solo or in geometrical patterns, which appear in every successive frame taken by a camera. Most banding noise in current cameras is in a fresh location in every frame.
John Sheehy
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That's because the banding is incurred after the analog gain used to provide higher ISOs, at which the amplified noise from reading the photosites is the main added noise source. The banding is still there at high ISOs, but you'd have to blur the lines horizontally at 100% pixel view, or greatly shrink the image to see it. In those cases, you'd lose horizontal details, or fine details, respectively.
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