Looking for the used Full Frame steal! Does it exist?

Thanks. I think the A7 is the route I need to go.

Does this look like a good deal to you? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-a7-IL...gcgx:rk:1:pf:0&LH_ItemCondition=3000&LH_BIN=1
The price seems good but unfortunately cameras at the lowest price seem too often be in the lowest (worst) condition. I've bought a lot of used cameras over the years (Olympus and Pentax) and like to have a seller tell me how many clicks are on the shutter. I assume Sony has a way of telling that on the A7. I personally would rather pay a bit more and get one with a low shutter count. (The number of clicks on a shutter will be a good indication of how much use a camera has had so the lower the better).

Your A7 would definitely be a bargain at this price, but the used market range goes up quite a bit in cost, so I personally would be very suspicious of this camera.

Lawrence
 
Best value for modern image quality & AF should be D600.

Sony A7 has modern image quality.

Canon 5D II doesn't. Way behind in low iso, pushing files and to a small extent high iso.

D700 is behind the curve in terms of image quality.

Cheapest would be original 5D. It's still held to be a classic. Also possible is a 1DS II. Heavy but good for the money.

Sony a850 & a900 bit behind in sensor scores and a bit expensive for what they are due to the rarity, but I quite enjoyed them.
 
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Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
Probably your best is the Sony A7, you can use pretty much any lens you can think of on it, with an adaptor, and it's dirt cheap. If you want real bargain basement then the Canon 5D is as cheap as it gets.
If it was a choice between the Sony A7 and the Canon 5D II, which would you go with and why?
Neither have ibis so that's a non starter for me. I recently got the a7rii used at what I thought was a good price.
 
Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
Probably your best is the Sony A7, you can use pretty much any lens you can think of on it, with an adaptor, and it's dirt cheap. If you want real bargain basement then the Canon 5D is as cheap as it gets.
If it was a choice between the Sony A7 and the Canon 5D II, which would you go with and why?
Neither have ibis so that's a non starter for me. I recently got the a7rii used at what I thought was a good price.
If you want IBIS then you have the a900/850, the a99 or Pentax K1 to consider used, in addition to the a7ii and a7riiis... Plus the current stuff.
 
Well if you are looking for a "steal" .... go hang out where there are (FF) photographers and wait for one to turn their back to you ... ... ... ... ... ...
 
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Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
I don't know where in the world you are.

I am in the UK and last January I bought a used Nikon D800 for £920 with a 6 month warranty. It is a fantastic camera and a pleasure to use. Here (UK) now prices used have fallen to about £750 so even more of a bargain.

Mark_A
D700s are plentiful and even cheaper. D800 if you can afford it for sure.
You could probably find a decent D700 and 50mm 1.8 for a little over $500 these days.
If you find one at this price let me know. I will buy it. That is solidly in my price range.
 
Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
If I were you, I would try to find a Sony A850 or A900 in good condition. These are excellent 24MP FF DSLRs. They are no frills imaging machines. No scene modes, no video, just plain simple cameras.

These are now almost 10 year old cameras and should be available for a song (if you are lucky). I bought an A850 way back in 2010. It is an excellent camera and a real pleasure to use.
 
Wait a few months and there'll be a glut of D8xx, D750, D6xx bodies on the market at bargain-bin prices.

I suspect there's been a massive leftward shift in the demand curve for those bodies following the Z-series release.
 
Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
I don't know where in the world you are.

I am in the UK and last January I bought a used Nikon D800 for £920 with a 6 month warranty. It is a fantastic camera and a pleasure to use. Here (UK) now prices used have fallen to about £750 so even more of a bargain.

Mark_A
D700s are plentiful and even cheaper. D800 if you can afford it for sure.
You could probably find a decent D700 and 50mm 1.8 for a little over $500 these days.
If you find one at this price let me know. I will buy it. That is solidly in my price range.
Here is a D700 for $505 with 11,000 + shots on it -- no lens but a lot of other supplies:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D700...h=item23ac0a2d45:g:JOIAAOSwO2hbuqDY:rk:2:pf:0

Sorry. I thought the $505 was a buy it now price, but it is being bid.

Lawrence
 
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Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
It all depends upon what you mean by lowest possible price.

As Doug Newchuch said above, the Nikon D3 or d700 Or Canon 5D are good inexpensive choices. Here are a couple of Canon 5D images





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Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
Factory Refurbished is the way to go for low price. They have a 90 day warranty, and it was checked out and QC prior to leaving the factory. And in most cases the shutter count is very low. I bought 2 Nikon DSLRs last year factory refurb, both had shutter count less than 20.

Here's are some reasons, I don't buy used Camera bodies.

1) depending on how old, can have issues with sensor like dead pixels and magenta banding in low light.

2) Shutter count can be high if was used for action and wildlife. thus, could run into problems sooner than later.

3) Long exposure night photography and time lapse. They put a strain on pixels especially if the sensor operates hot for many hours at a time like long exposure time lapse. They eventually develop a magenta banding and dead pixles. I've had to sell off a few DSLRs in the past because of wear I put on the sensor, for a low price.

You could go for the used, and take the risk and try your luck. Or you can just pay one time and get a factory refurb. As they say, you get what you pay for, Caveat Emptor.
 
Thanks. Great advice. What would be considered an acceptable shutter count when buying a used camera? People say LOW, but what is LOW? Is it 1000, 10,0000, 20,0000........?
 
Okay, so I would like to get into a full frame camera for the lowest possible price. I am not looking for new. It can be old and used, but it must be a good model that takes great photos.

What are some models I should look for? TIA
It all depends upon what you mean by lowest possible price.

As Doug Newchuch said above, the Nikon D3 or d700 Or Canon 5D are good inexpensive choices. Here are a couple of Canon 5D images





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Thanks. Great advice. What would be considered an acceptable shutter count when buying a used camera? People say LOW, but what is LOW? Is it 1000, 10,0000, 20,0000........?
Below 1,000 would be good for any camera and I've gotten a few like that. Someone used it briefly, didn't like it and put it on a shelf. Later he (or his heirs) decided to sell it. However, the cameras you are looking at are more popular. The D700 has a predicted life of 150,000 clicks. The D800 (although you aren't looking at that one) has a predicted life of 200,000 clicks. These are estimates only and a lot depends upon usage. Thus, I personally wouldn't be afraid to get a D700 with under 15,000 clicks or a D800 with under 20,000 clicks. If I wanted an A7, because it is more lightly built I'd try to get one under 10,000 clicks.

I once bought an Olympus E5, their flagship camera. The seller said it was in "mint condition." He didn't list the shutter clicks, but I took a chance and when I checked it later it had 33,000 clicks on it. However the E5 is rated for something like 200,000 clicks, and the camera did look as though it was in mint condition so I don't know how he put that many clicks on it without having it show a lot signs of usage. But as far as that camera goes, the matter is probably moot since I don't use it very often. Probably, however, the E5 has a better build than the cameras you are looking at, although the D700 at more than twice the weight of the A7 probably has a better "build" than the A7 you seem to favor. Yes, the A7 is lighter and would be easier to carry, but that lightness might transfer into a greater fragility as well. The D700 has fewer pixels, but still has a great reputation for producing great photos. Also, when looking at the specs it seems to have a much stronger build than the A7; which in my opinion suggests that it is probably going to have a greater life-span all other things being equal.

Lawrence
 
Thanks. Great advice. What would be considered an acceptable shutter count when buying a used camera? People say LOW, but what is LOW? Is it 1000, 10,0000, 20,0000........?
It would all depend on what type of camera and the strain it was under. There are many variables that put wear on the shutter and mirror. Shutter count is just one way of checking

Some cameras get high shutter count because of burst shooting, others by time lapse. And some by single shots over time, or a combination of all.

Of the 3 digital cameras I had that broke, the failure came in the sensor, not the shutter or mirror. One lasted 3 years, one 4 years, and the other 5 years. I've had DSLRs with worn out sensors due to the heat the sensor is exposed to for long exposure time lapse. Those cameras last about 2 years before the dead pixles and magenta color banding start to show.


So, I would say, as long as the shutter count is below 50K to 75K the shutters should be good for another 100K to 75K or more clicks. But sensor survival will be different.
 
Thanks Lawrence. That was some really good information.
 

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