JJGP
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because for the last 100 years or so, they've been associated with film. And since this is a Dig. imaging website, shouldn't we delegate new terms.
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Shouldn't we ban "photography" and "photographer"...
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padeye99656
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Photography degives from the Greek (you can tell I've been watching My Big Fat Greek Wedding) word phot - light and graphon - to write. We are writing with light. It matters not if silver halide film or a CMOS sensor is at the focal plane.
Respect the history of your craft. It can teach you a lot. Banning a term because it represents a long tradition is big brother speak for censorship. I won't accept that kind of tyranny.
Respect the history of your craft. It can teach you a lot. Banning a term because it represents a long tradition is big brother speak for censorship. I won't accept that kind of tyranny.
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Bill42690
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Back in the "early days" of photography, 140 years ago or so (as in the days of Matthew Brady), the photographer applied a light sensitive emulsion to glass plates: There was no film. Using your logic then, someone using film as his media really should be called something else.
A photographer records images by projecting light onto a light sensitive media, be it chemical or electronic. Besides, all of the basic mechanics of photoraphy remain the same: lenses, apertures, shutter speeds, exposure, depth-of-fied, etc.
A photographer records images by projecting light onto a light sensitive media, be it chemical or electronic. Besides, all of the basic mechanics of photoraphy remain the same: lenses, apertures, shutter speeds, exposure, depth-of-fied, etc.
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Tom Obszanski50651
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Here are a few definitions I found at http://www.dictionary.com , what doesn't apply to both digital and film image capture?
1. The art or process of producing images of objects on photosensitive surfaces.
2. The art, practice, or occupation of taking and printing photographs.
1. The art or process of producing images of objects on photosensitive surfaces.
2. The art, practice, or occupation of taking and printing photographs.
Ed Leys20479
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After all, jules, many magazines that used to be "photography" magazines are now sticking the word "imaging" in their titles to attract the digital reader and make them feel like they are included too. So I guess what they feel is removing film from the shelves of the world is certainly not "photography", otherwise why not just lump things in?
And is imaging really such a bad way to describe this latest concept? Here you go, found on bartleby.com and extracted from the "American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language".
http://www.bartleby.com/61/28/I0042850.html
Isn't definition '1' a pretty good match for what you are doing with your lensed calculator?
Of course, you might want to reconsider "digital" itself, since the primary definition of "digit" has more to do with fingers (or toes), than with something binary in orientation:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/97/D0219700.html
And, as you might expect, "digital" pretty much follows that form, at least till you get lower down to the more obscure uses of the word:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/98/D0219800.html
Well, maybe after all "digital imaging" isn't such a very good idea since the thing that best fits that definition is probably "finger painting".
But keep up a search for a good description of what you are doing--preferably a description that does not use any words that existed before, oh, maybe about 1997. Clearly there are those who completely agree that what is going on is certainly not "photography". And really, isn't photography such an outdated concept? Yep, you're state of the art, jules, let the world know exactly what's what!
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JJGP
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It's not a stupid question. Furthermore, I'm NOT saying that we should ban "photography" & "photographyer" when it applies to someone shooting with film cameras....I'm saying that we should have NEW & DETICATED terms that apply to digital. For example, today, we say that someone who shoots with a digital camera is a digital photographer.....why not have ONE word to replace "digital photographer" like "digimographer" or "imographer" and "digimography" or "imography".
Remember this...that in digital the tools of the trade are NOWHERE near what they are in film.
jules
Well, I will take the question more serious if you explain it like this ...
in that case I don't agree
photography = writting with light as many others already mentioned and this can nowadays be done with either film or CCD. I think the term 'digital photography' should be banned. It's a hype term, passing the fact you still are doing the same thing as before. With tools that have some pro's and some con's, are the traditional or digital.
The word digital is imo only applicable when loading the pictures in the computer, either by scanner or downloading it from the camera and process them there but even then, most of the functions there could also be done in the darkroom.
Processing a picture beyond a recognizable photo should be called imaging imo.
in that case I don't agree
photography = writting with light as many others already mentioned and this can nowadays be done with either film or CCD. I think the term 'digital photography' should be banned. It's a hype term, passing the fact you still are doing the same thing as before. With tools that have some pro's and some con's, are the traditional or digital.
The word digital is imo only applicable when loading the pictures in the computer, either by scanner or downloading it from the camera and process them there but even then, most of the functions there could also be done in the darkroom.
Processing a picture beyond a recognizable photo should be called imaging imo.
........ some people could construe this as a less than politically correct comment and accuse you of something really bizarre.
But already a few are in fact calling themselves digigraphers. But to ban someone for their beliefs in film and the possibility that we evolved from film might be hearsay and you could be slaughtered on the high alter in ritual sacrifice.
....... great and humorous reply, I love the finger painting anecdote.
But in fact we are still photographers, we are still painting or drawing with light and our sensors react in a similar way too as the basic reaction is to agitate, either a chemical compound or a sliver of thin silicon.
After that things do change a little as the chemical agitation need to be boosted in a dev to become visible and a reversal process of some kind needs to be applied in either slide making or print making, the agitation from the senor slivers is merely recorded as a scaled value and mathematical formulae with reference to its position on the senor take over and create an electronic map.
But in fact we are still photographers, we are still painting or drawing with light and our sensors react in a similar way too as the basic reaction is to agitate, either a chemical compound or a sliver of thin silicon.
After that things do change a little as the chemical agitation need to be boosted in a dev to become visible and a reversal process of some kind needs to be applied in either slide making or print making, the agitation from the senor slivers is merely recorded as a scaled value and mathematical formulae with reference to its position on the senor take over and create an electronic map.
Phil-B G5
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From any dictionary, "photograph: An image, esp. a positive print, recorded by a camera and reproduced on a photosensitive surface." No mention of film, or sensors, or cabbage. Whether digital, film, or reproduced on cabbage (LOL) it's still photography, and the person doing it is the photographer.
Barrie Davis
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What I mean is, I have stopped using the term "Digital Photography" and gone back to plain old "Photography".
That's how I have described my work on invoices for about 10 months now. It's nearly two years since I used the 'other' kind of imaging technology, apart from one brief outing for the 5x4" kit, done for a client who "didn't like the 'digital look' " (whatever THAT might be when it's at home!).
I have never referred to my pictures as "Photos", though. That term does make me cringe, for some reason!
Regards,
Baz
That's how I have described my work on invoices for about 10 months now. It's nearly two years since I used the 'other' kind of imaging technology, apart from one brief outing for the 5x4" kit, done for a client who "didn't like the 'digital look' " (whatever THAT might be when it's at home!).
I have never referred to my pictures as "Photos", though. That term does make me cringe, for some reason!
Regards,
Baz
toughluck
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Exactly,true, but the words are (in English transliteration):
- phos (light)
- graphoi
(to write, draw, describe, etc.)
As for the word 'graphon' - I'm not sure, I don't think it is in the Greek language, but if it were, it would mean "a drawing", "a writing", or another noun. The suffix 'on' indicates a feminine noun. Yes, 'photon' is a feminine noun. We've been capturing women on film, on ccd, on cmos, wherever ;-)
Just my two cents here. I guess a Greek will come soon and correct us all, but up till now, I am definitely (not as with perspective) sure of these words.
Thomas Gardner
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No. And the reason for the no is because of the genisis of the name. The name has nothing to do with film, it has to do with the action and the root word of the action.
Ography or ology, is the study of. Such as Geology or Biology. And Photo is light such as Geo is earth and Bio is life. So Photography is the study of light, geology is the study of earth and biology is the study of life. So photography applies to what you're doing, whether you're using film, a digital sensor or standing inside a camera obscura.
Hope this helps.
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Thomas Gardner
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No tyranny, it's just what happens when someone with too much money is allowed to buy a sensor body and doesn't have a clue
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Ooops! Well, I at least got it half right
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