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I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. Free of charge!

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PhotoFactor said:
Archer66 said:
PhotoFactor said:
IMHO the benefits of Windows 10 are outweighed by the drawbacks.
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Such as ?
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1. Ability to control updates
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No need, I always install updates the moment they are available.
PhotoFactor said:
2. Better UI, more consistency
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Disagree.
PhotoFactor said:
3. No notifications popping up all over the place for the least little thing
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I get only notifications I want to see.
PhotoFactor said:
4. Scrollbars you can actually see
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No problems here.
PhotoFactor said:
5. The lack of two places "Settings" and "Control Panel"
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Don't remember when I had to use CP.
PhotoFactor said:
6. Although advertised as "more security features" (Win 10), virtually every announced vulnerability patched by Microsoft applies to all versions of Windows 7>>10. And some apply only to 10.
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Security is more than patches.
PhotoFactor said:
7. No preinstalled "Candy Crush Saga", etc.
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About 5 seconds to uninstall.
PhotoFactor said:
8. No advertising ID, no ads in OS
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Never seen any ads in W10.
 
Archer66 said:
PhotoFactor said:
Archer66 said:
PhotoFactor said:
IMHO the benefits of Windows 10 are outweighed by the drawbacks.
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Such as ?
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1. Ability to control updates
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No need, I always install updates the moment they are available.
Archer66 said:
2. Better UI, more consistency
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Disagree.
Archer66 said:
3. No notifications popping up all over the place for the least little thing
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I get only notifications I want to see.
Archer66 said:
4. Scrollbars you can actually see
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No problems here.
Archer66 said:
5. The lack of two places "Settings" and "Control Panel"
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Don't remember when I had to use CP.
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I use CP regularly in Win 10. Just search, and it's there.
Archer66 said:
Archer66 said:
6. Although advertised as "more security features" (Win 10), virtually every announced vulnerability patched by Microsoft applies to all versions of Windows 7>>10. And some apply only to 10.
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Security is more than patches.
Archer66 said:
7. No preinstalled "Candy Crush Saga", etc.
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About 5 seconds to uninstall.
Archer66 said:
8. No advertising ID, no ads in OS
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Never seen any ads in W10.
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SC489 said:
Robert Zanatta said:
I still have an MS-DOS 1.0 floppy. Works in a VM.
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I assume you use an 8" floppy disk?
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No, as the first PC from IBM came with a 5-1/4" drive so it was available in that format.

V1.0 was almost like CP/M and had only a handful of system programs, but it was functional. V2.1 was the first "useful" version I coded for as it had device driver and TSR support which allowed for some better hardware support and some interesting application capabilities.
 
Robert Zanatta said:
SC489 said:
Robert Zanatta said:
I still have an MS-DOS 1.0 floppy. Works in a VM.
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I assume you use an 8" floppy disk?
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No, as the first PC from IBM came with a 5-1/4" drive so it was available in that format.

V1.0 was almost like CP/M and had only a handful of system programs, but it was functional. V2.1 was the first "useful" version I coded for as it had device driver and TSR support which allowed for some better hardware support and some interesting application capabilities.
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Wow. Never used any version of DOS before 3.30, although I did use CP/M.

I still have a 486SX machine running DOS 5 and Win 3.11, complete with both 3 1/2 and 5 1/4 floppy drives and a Zip drive. Keyboard latency is better than on a modern machine.
 
Usually Windows 10 upgrade is required and can get it free if you have a legit WIndows 7. It will pop up on your computer screen and you have the option to upgrade it or not. That's also what I experienced.
 
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Patco said:
"Most Creative Cloud applications receiving updates in the next major release will still support Windows 7."
https://theblog.adobe.com/upcoming-changes-to-creative-cloud-os-support-for-windows-and-mac/
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I seem to remember a discussion on this in the forum here but can't find the post now. Anyway it seems I read this wrong....

"latest operating system features and technologies, the next major release of Creative Cloud will not support Windows 8.1, Windows 10 v1511 and v1607, and Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan). Most Creative Cloud applications receiving updates in the next major release will still support Windows 7. For more detailed information about operating system requirements for the next major release of Adobe video and audio tools, see this post."

As it says Windows 8.1 and older versions of 10 will NOT be supported, but Win 7 WILL be supported. Kind of weird though considering Windows 8.1's EOL is 2023, while Windows 7 EOL is 2020.

As for not supporting older versions of Windows 10, I can see that - 1607 EOL was this year, and 1511 ended last year. Can't speak on Mac OS, never used it.

Curious about "most" though.
 
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sygnus21 said:
Patco said:
"Most Creative Cloud applications receiving updates in the next major release will still support Windows 7."
https://theblog.adobe.com/upcoming-changes-to-creative-cloud-os-support-for-windows-and-mac/
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I seem to remember a discussion on this in the forum here but can't find the post now. Anyway it seems I read this wrong....

"latest operating system features and technologies, the next major release of Creative Cloud will not support Windows 8.1, Windows 10 v1511 and v1607, and Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan). Most Creative Cloud applications receiving updates in the next major release will still support Windows 7. For more detailed information about operating system requirements for the next major release of Adobe video and audio tools, see this post."

As it says Windows 8.1 and older versions of 10 will NOT be supported, but Win 7 WILL be supported. Kind of weird though considering Windows 8.1's EOL is 2023, while Windows 7 EOL is 2020.

As for not supporting older versions of Windows 10, I can see that - 1607 EOL was this year, and 1511 ended last year. Can't speak on Mac OS, never used it.

Curious about "most" though.
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A link on the page I linked above points to these applications, Adobe Media Encoder, After Effects, Audition, Character Animator, Prelude, and Premiere Pro, that will require Windows 10 (version version 1703, or higher) or macOS 10.12 (or higher):

Adobe Video and Audio Apps: Upcoming Changes to OS Support
 
Rock and Rollei said:
Archer66 said:
PhotoFactor said:
Archer66 said:
PhotoFactor said:
IMHO the benefits of Windows 10 are outweighed by the drawbacks.
Click to expand...
Such as ?
Click to expand...
1. Ability to control updates
Click to expand...
No need, I always install updates the moment they are available.
Rock and Rollei said:
2. Better UI, more consistency
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Disagree.
Rock and Rollei said:
3. No notifications popping up all over the place for the least little thing
Click to expand...
I get only notifications I want to see.
Rock and Rollei said:
4. Scrollbars you can actually see
Click to expand...
No problems here.
Rock and Rollei said:
5. The lack of two places "Settings" and "Control Panel"
Click to expand...
Don't remember when I had to use CP.
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I use CP regularly in Win 10. Just search, and it's there.
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I have a dedicated button for it (and one for "settings") in the start menu.
Rock and Rollei said:
Rock and Rollei said:
Rock and Rollei said:
6. Although advertised as "more security features" (Win 10), virtually every announced vulnerability patched by Microsoft applies to all versions of Windows 7>>10. And some apply only to 10.
Click to expand...
Security is more than patches.
Rock and Rollei said:
7. No preinstalled "Candy Crush Saga", etc.
Click to expand...
About 5 seconds to uninstall.
Rock and Rollei said:
8. No advertising ID, no ads in OS
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Never seen any ads in W10.
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It is not "free" if you have to spend time fixing apps that are now not performing properly or you have forced downloads and patch and patches to patches and waste time or lose time with your work.

Part of the "deal" with Windows 10 was that a user got it at no charge but agreed in effect to give Microsoft access to the users data and share it with third parties (like the NSA and their 2 million private contractors, the CIA, and of course the Russians,)

Worth it if you want to use Windows 10 to at least buy the Windows 10 Pro version at $200 as it provides controls for the user to manage when and if updates are applied.
 
I can't change settings/personalize, it's telling me I have an activation problem.

I ran the activation troubleshooter and it's saying I have a Windows Home key but I'm running Windows Pro. I upgraded from 8.1 Pro, so it gave me 10 Pro.
 
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