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Wu Jiaqiu
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i should enter challenges with most blurry shots i reckon....i have some great blurred aircraft pictures
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Wu Jiaqiu
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i prefer to see detail on aircraft, i do find the challenge winning shot to be a little smooth but the person who submitted it said about the difficult conditions, i don't dislike the shot, far from it but more details would be nice.
This photographer also won the helicopter challenge with a really nice shot with the bladecontrails off an Os[rey, once again it lacked detail but the shot was all about those contrails
if you like smooth shots good for you, that is your preference, i personally like my aircraft shots to have detail.....saying that an F-22 is pretty smooth anyway....something to do with stealth and radar i'd imagine
glassoholic
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Unfortunately I work too much to be able to be up for astro more than once a year when on holidays. But when I can, the Oly 8mm f1.8 Pro FE and EM1.2 work good enough for me. My m43 astro forum shows work I can only dream about. I wonder what bodies and lenses your club members are using and RAW processor? My EM1.1 was not astro friendly. Oly will soonish have a 12mm f1.2 Pro which should be sharp to the edges wide open and a treat for astro. But that will be too niche for me especially as astro will never be m43's strength... the other 355 days a year I enjoy it very much thanks!
JaKing
Veteran Member
Here is one with very little detail ...
F18 Super Hornet with E-30 + 50-200 at 50mm
I'm amazed that it didn't fry the sensor - or my eyeball !
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F18 Super Hornet with E-30 + 50-200 at 50mm
I'm amazed that it didn't fry the sensor - or my eyeball !
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bobn2
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Unsurprisingly, it seems that those who specialise in fallacious reasoning can't recognise the proper stuff when they see it. The gradation between 'no details at all' and 'pixel peeping sharp' applies to all sources of sharpness, so makes no difference whatsoever to their comparison.
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Wu Jiaqiu
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you're never going to get much detail in a shot like that especially at 50mm, one thing an EVF is good for is shooting towards the sun.......definitely helps keep your eyes working properly....but it's a nice shotHere is one with very little detail ...
F18 Super Hornet with E-30 + 50-200 at 50mm
I'm amazed that it didn't fry the sensor - or my eyeball !
personally i like the detail, in this shot you can see ripples on the right wing caught in the sun, and the rivets on the fuselage, i guess it's being an aviation fan that makes you want certain things in your own shots
JaKing
Veteran Member
Thanks, Gregg. I wasn't actually trying for the rivets ... ;-) :-D
Have plenty of detailed shots, complete with rivets, just none uploaded. The F18 shot is an unusual one for me. Mostly I'm also into having sharp detail.
What plane is that in your shot? Nice detail, good prop blur.
Have plenty of detailed shots, complete with rivets, just none uploaded. The F18 shot is an unusual one for me. Mostly I'm also into having sharp detail.
What plane is that in your shot? Nice detail, good prop blur.
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Wu Jiaqiu
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it's a DC-3, they put about about 3 up at the same time but this did more of a solo display, the light wasn't the best until the sun snuck at for a few minutes, a bit of luck always helps
JaKing
Veteran Member
Thanks. I thought a DC-4 because of the square fuselage windows. I've flown Brisbane to Cunnamulla and back a few times in a DC-3 (as a passenger, LOL). VERY slow and VERY, VERY low. Flying over big claypans at under 6,000 feet was not kind to those who didn't have a cast iron stomach. I had all the sandwiches and beer to myself :-D .
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Tommi K1
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Details... What kind details?
What kind a details you would like to see in that photo?
Details of what? You can read the labels, see the rivetting etc regardless they are low resolution files taken in air temperature conditions softening things etc. Almost all details are visible in those aircrafts.
Yes, it is all about reducing RCS. And btw there is no such thing as "stealth". Every aircraft has "stealth", question is just the RCS size for a given sensors, direction, distance and weather conditions and applying ECM in correct time and situation against the enemy you can render yourself as well "invisible".
Fly a F-22 against a early warning radars and it is visible like a christmas tree at night from hundreds of kilometers distance. Fly it against a 3rd gen fighters and it is not detected by their radars until couple kilometers. Fly it in rain and it is visible to 3rd gen fighters radar. Fly it straight forward and your RCS is smaller than from 2'clock and 5'clock angles. Beam a enemy fighter by keeping over 70 degree angle and you are "invisible".
The same things applies to all aircrafts. Question is always about the conditions what is ranging what, with what, when and how.
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Wu Jiaqiu
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i want to see what stuck between the pilot's teeth
if you actually read some of my other comments you'd realise i'd mentioned the photographer mentioned difficult conditions, and you'd see that i actually like the shot and BTW riveting on a F-22?.....mmm ok
stealth is a generic term, we aren't actually talking about the intricacies of reducing an aircraft's visibility to radar and infrared here but some bizarre bunch of replies that don't want more detail.......... i suggest throwing away those Oly 300mm/4 pro lenses....totally unnecessary
bobn2
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Wu Jiaqiu
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it's not called a joystick for nothing...... and don't even mention the flaps.......
JaKing
Veteran Member
Lol.
An AGM 86B cruise missile has a radar signature of less than one square foot, is slightly sub-sonic, has a circular error probable of about 30m radius at maximum range, with a 200 kiloton nuclear warhead.
Geez I wish I didn't know any of this stuff ...
An AGM 86B cruise missile has a radar signature of less than one square foot, is slightly sub-sonic, has a circular error probable of about 30m radius at maximum range, with a 200 kiloton nuclear warhead.
Geez I wish I didn't know any of this stuff ...
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Wu Jiaqiu
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talking of bumpy rides.....off to the cardiology department to have me teeth checked......oh the joy!
JaKing
Veteran Member
Yeah. I've got a stress-echo on Wednesday, then a bone density scan on Friday. The joys of aging!
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Tommi K1
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Funny guy...
Yes I read, and I question exactly that.
When you know they're is challenging environment that renders sharp lenses soft, you can't talk about lack of details....
And you brought up the osprey, what has rivets, so don't try to play fool or smart.
I'm such conditions you can "throw" your 300mm f/4 away as it ain't sharper than 75-300mm.
Blur is blur regardless at what sharp lens is used to capture it.
A smooth surface is smooth regardless how sharp lens you have.
You arguing for more details is off as you can't get it regardless what resolution you get, and that even based to an low resolution image.
And "stealth" is generic term revealing that person doesn't know what is talking about, or is trying to explain a slightly complex topic in "dumb" manner for someone who ain't interested.
In radars it is same thing, wavelengths, frequencies, aperture, inverse square laws, power, resolution, read out speeds, processing speeds, tracking etc etc...
Difference is that there it's more about physics than in photography about visible light, even when both are same thing, and there is is well known that equivalence theory ain't such rule.
But we are talking about couple grand cameras vs multi million sensors in industry that is probably world's largest...
Still, you even talking about more details in those two shots is off... And arguing about lens sharpness....
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Tommi K1
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It ain't called joystick....
It is called stick...
Joystick comes from computer gaming, device for computers to allow player to input commands to games, hence word "Joy" for joyfulness from games and so on JoyStick.
Yes, I know you try to be funny by pointing to sex etc, but.... It puts nice theme to your tooths...
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Tommi K1
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Should we go to little deeper than that, from the who designed the guidance for that system, who stole ("copied") the designs for that, who designed the strategic requirements for it, how that is loaded and unloaded from the bomber, what are the guidelines and procedures for storing it and maintenance etc?
Yeah... A lot of knowledge from stuff that should never exist...
JaKing
Veteran Member
Exactly. The nuclear triad was one of my specific areas of study in my degree in politics.
However, MAD has stopped white western Europeans from murdering each other wholesale for the longest period in the last 5,000 years. If that's what it takes, then so be it.
There is something horribly wrong with our species ...