Is m43 Dead?

Now that Panasonic is joining the main battle, along with Canon, Nikon, for FF mirrorless, will Olympus be the only one left behind?

Or will it launch also, and with an incompatible FF to Panasonic?

Where does all this leave m43?

Will the main battles now be fought in FF mirrorless land, and m43 become an afterthought?
Not dead. It's a light system with the right lenses. I use mine for work since I dont want to haul around a FF camera. Or when I want something light or for telephoto. A friend uses his for travel. Small form factor, lighter weight, telephoto advantage.

There are disadvantages, but soon the MFT companies will use BSI image chip (which they should have already done for better DR and high iso) and they will figure out the hand held high rez mode thing.
 
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No, it’s not dead, but it is hard to imagine how m43 can compete going forward with similar sized bodies with larger and better sensors that provide phase detection auto focus, greater dynamic range, and much less noise at high ISOs all for comparable prices.
I can get usable ISO6400 out of my OM-D E-M10iii. Pixel peepers will find it noisy but for non 100% viewing (ie: most uses) it's great.

DR is not that bad. According to DXOmark:

OM-D E-M1ii - 12.8 EV

OM-D EM10ii - 12.5 EV

Nikon D850 (one of the best) - 14.8 EV

So it's a 2 stop difference in DR. Not a huge amount.

I will say they need PDAF like yesterday though.
 
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That list is "Interchangeable Lens Cameras receiving the most views in reviews and previews in the last 5 days."

DPR Views don't pay camera company bills. :-)
True but it means they are in consideration for a lot of people. I considered M43 and jumped in so it did pay someone's bills.
 
I take it you don't travel much?
What does this have to do with travel? More with physical fitness, age, and desire. I can travel for a month carrying a FF dSLR kit all day long. Others can't make it up a hill with a cell phone.

This is the only forum I'm on where people are proud of not making an effort for their hobby/sport/passion.

And just saying, I didn't see any travel photos on your gallery . . . .









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M43's days were determined. Nothing wrong in keep using it. But I don't advice any new buyers to invest M43 at the moment unless you are saving big cost in some way

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I just checked. Nope, was just a dead battery. Luckily I have spares in my bag. My EM1 is alive and kicking.
 
That list is "Interchangeable Lens Cameras receiving the most views in reviews and previews in the last 5 days."

DPR Views don't pay camera company bills. :-)
True but it means they are in consideration for a lot of people. I considered M43 and jumped in so it did pay someone's bills.
A more reasonable list to look at to predict the future health of camera companies would be the top 10 Most Wanted list. On that, Nikon leads, followed by Sony, Fuji, Canon and Pentax. MFT doesn't make the list.

To measure current or past success look at the Most Owned list. On that, Olympus follows Canon, Nikon and Sony.

So the data set you cite actually shows Nikon and Fuji in a growth position with Canon and MFT shrinking.
 
I take it you don't travel much?
What does this have to do with travel? More with physical fitness, age, and desire. I can travel for a month carrying a FF dSLR kit all day long. Others can't make it up a hill with a cell phone.

This is the only forum I'm on where people are proud of not making an effort for their hobby/sport/passion.

And just saying, I didn't see any travel photos on your gallery . . . .
Lol, wut. You didn’t look very hard.

Also, without looking at kits, you have no argument, because you could have an ff kit with a couple of light primes. Put simply for however many kilos of ff kit you carry, it’s pretty likely that the m4/3 users can either travel lighter, or, alternatively, carry a bunch of lenses you won’t have, because of the iq/weight trade off.

What is your ff kit you travel with?
 
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A more reasonable list to look at to predict the future health of camera companies would be the top 10 Most Wanted list. On that, Nikon leads, followed by Sony, Fuji, Canon and Pentax. MFT doesn't make the list.
In a roundabout way that's what the popular cameras list is - it's what people are researching which means on some level they want them. I certainly didn't expect to go M43 this year. Was planning on more Nikon glass. Yet I've spent $2k on M43 stuff.
To measure current or past success look at the Most Owned list. On that, Olympus follows Canon, Nikon and Sony.
Most owned what? ILC's? On that list I doubt Sony shows up.
So the data set you cite actually shows Nikon and Fuji in a growth position with Canon and MFT shrinking.
Where's the data to back that up? IIRC Canon is stil #1 in camera sales.
 
It is DEAD - I just checked! I tried to turn it on, but nothing happened!

Than I had to remove the battery from the charger and put it back in the camera ;)

But seriously, in the recent poll I started, more that 2/3 of the voters preferred M4/3 for the size and weight of the bodies and lenses.

Olympus and Panasonic need to distance M4/3 from theirs or competitor's FF systems as far as possible - return to small and lightweight bodies, but with better, Leica-like build quality.

Very few people will buy M4/3 cameras that have size and weight of a FF camera, and cost just as much or more.
 
These threads get so old.

There's a use case for most formats, MFT included.

For me, it's cost vs reach. Not many formats have options for a bright 40-150 and 300mm prime for under $4k, that lead goes even further when you consider their fov equivalent to FF and apsc.

Yes you shrink DoF with the same aperture on bugger formats, but for the most part at telephoto ranges you need more DoF so it's fairly moot.
 
A more reasonable list to look at to predict the future health of camera companies would be the top 10 Most Wanted list. On that, Nikon leads, followed by Sony, Fuji, Canon and Pentax. MFT doesn't make the list.
In a roundabout way that's what the popular cameras list is - it's what people are researching
The difference between the "Most Popular" list and the "Most wanted list" is intention. The former merely indicates curiosity. The latter indicates desire.
which means on some level they want them.
No it doesn't. I always check out reviews of new cameras published here on DPR. It doesn't mean I have any interest in actually buying most of them.
I certainly didn't expect to go M43 this year. Was planning on more Nikon glass. Yet I've spent $2k on M43 stuff.
To measure current or past success look at the Most Owned list. On that, Olympus follows Canon, Nikon and Sony.
Most owned what? ILC's? On that list I doubt Sony shows up.
It shows up on the list published here at DPR. Bu that is a list of cameras claimed to be owned by DPR readers who identify what cameras they own. it is not a comprehensive list of camera ownership.
So the data set you cite actually shows Nikon and Fuji in a growth position with Canon and MFT shrinking.
Where's the data to back that up? IIRC Canon is stil #1 in camera sales.
Yes, it is. It is merely what the data set you cite indictes. I never claimed that the data set in question was a reliable indicator, I just suggested the set as a whole doe snot indicate what you claimed. But actual sales figures don't support your claim either.
 
Now that Panasonic is joining the main battle, along with Canon, Nikon, for FF mirrorless, will Olympus be the only one left behind?

Or will it launch also, and with an incompatible FF to Panasonic?

Where does all this leave m43?

Will the main battles now be fought in FF mirrorless land, and m43 become an afterthought?
I would speculate the issue could be which "players", not which "format" dies. This would be largely based on who markets their products best, and who displays their cameras on the ever-dwindling shelf space devoted to standalone cameras.

In the States, John Q Public (not the gearhead DPR members) only see Samsung and Apple advertising/merchandising (with a token LG) for smartphones, and Canon and Nikon merchandising (with a token Panasonic/Sony thrown in) on the Best Buy display.

Hasselblad and Leica are safe regardless of sensor format, because they are high-end niche.

Olympus and Pentax have traditionally had poor marketing efforts in many if not most countries and have somehow stayed in the camera business this long. I don't see how this is sustainable in a stagnant or shrinking market. But then, I only see this from a western-society viewpoint, not on how business is actually conducted in Japan. There is also the consideration that Olympus does well in much of Asia. The worldwide market is much bigger than North America alone.

It is all about marketing and presence in the western marketplace: here in the States the average consumer is only familiar with three brands: Apple, Samsung, and Canon, and a dwindling familiarity with Nikon. Sensor size has little to do with anything for the average western consumer. It is all about name recognition here.
 
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The difference between the "Most Popular" list and the "Most wanted list" is intention. The former merely indicates curiosity. The latter indicates desire.
Most wanted lists also mean nothing. I've got some expensive glass on my B&H wishlist. Doesn't mean it will happen anytime soon or at all. I really want a Z7 but that also ain't happening.
Yes, it is. It is merely what the data set you cite indictes. I never claimed that the data set in question was a reliable indicator, I just suggested the set as a whole doe snot indicate what you claimed. But actual sales figures don't support your claim either.
Does anyone track sales by model? That would be interesting and could show a lot of trends. AFAIK the sales are tracked by brand which doesn't indicate popularity of specific cameras or necessarily systems.
 
m43s is a good system that allow people to do very good work. It does have a marketing image problem though. The two major m43s players have allowed the message to slip out of their control. Now they've got to figure out how to describe the things it is good for and how to re sell it to the public.
 
He seems to think that m43 as a greater chance of surviving than either EOS-M or EF-S.

 

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