I think a Panasonic FF makes perfect sense... not the death of m43!

Undoubtedly, Panasonic had to do something to stay viable and to protect their video creator market-share. As it stands today, the tremendously successful GH line needs some headroom to grow; so I maintain that their timing for the introduction of a FF mirror-less (video-centric) option makes perfect sense.
 
I'd be pretty p.o'ed if I were a video professional and had sunk a lot of money into some GH5, GH5s + lenses, which are still relatively new cameras . At the time of the GH5s launch they had to of had FF development in the pipeline, and a year later they completely reverse direction.

I'm not a professional, but I have been using Lumix for a several years now and am seriously considering getting out, most likely to Sony.

I get the idea of obsoleting your own product, but I as a consumer can also walk away.

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Perhaps in order for them to produce the new level of tech they want at the quality they want with the scope to continue developing at a good rate rather than tiny steps they are having to consider the larger sensor. They may have taken the GH's to what they consider an optimum level and continue to produce them but not develop further, perhaps just refine with firmware? Guess time will tell..
 
I'd be pretty p.o'ed if I were a video professional and had sunk a lot of money into some GH5, GH5s + lenses, which are still relatively new cameras . At the time of the GH5s launch they had to of had FF development in the pipeline, and a year later they completely reverse direction.
The reaction actually from video professionals (from reading other forums that dpreview does not allow linking to) is excitement as they can see this as something they can use in their tool kit. They are no strangers to renting, so the effect on them isn't as big as you put it. A lot of them also have FF lenses already because EF lenses are very popular in the industry.

An 8K video camera starts at about $30k (and not FF at that). Given what Panasonic has done with the GH5, they are excited about the possibility of Panasonic releasing a FF 8K video camera (or at least hybrid) for drastically less.
I'm not a professional, but I have been using Lumix for a several years now and am seriously considering getting out, most likely to Sony.

I get the idea of obsoleting your own product, but I as a consumer can also walk away.

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Kristian
This statement makes zero sense to me. Sony is the absolute worst in terms of obsoleting their products. Their entire strategy rests on this. They rapidly release new products with no care about release cycles. Prime example: a6500 (only 8 months after a6300). And they don't issue firmware updates to keep older cameras up to date (rather they want you to buy a new camera). Panasonic on other hand is still keeping GH5 up to date (it still has features many other cameras don't, even at much higher price points).
 
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They have to, to be successfull. But the money spent on the FF R&D will be missing for M43. M43 won't be dead in 5 years, but there won't be much development any more and it will dry out.

Peter
withering on the vine so to speak. Sadly.
I will make a bold prediction .... that FF will die out in 10 years (except for rare pros).

My thinking is that the hardware and software tech, driven furiously by smartphone cameras, will make such stellar IQ from smaller sensors that we will no longer need to tolerate FF lens sizes.
I'd hope so, and this would be reasonable.

But I think, while most R&D goes into smartphone sensors and processing, cameras are way behind in sofware corrections and the gap is widening. So it will more likely be "good enough" smartphones (a term that has been applied to M43 a lot on this forum!!) and the real thing, i.e. FF.

Peter
While the saying, "good enough" is bantered about on this forum, smartphones have quite a bit of other technical challenges that have nothing to do with the sensor performance:

1) Ultra-wide angle,

2) telephoto

While they have a beta version of bokeh effect and its pretty bad, I have a feeling this will get nailed down in the next 10 years. The FoV however, is a much greater challenge.
 
8) Macro: 120mm, 15mm, auto bellows ... m4/3 sensor is also very good for macro, due to it's high linear resolution, so the system should support advanced macro capabilities.
It captures less detail per frame, which after stopping the lens down and losing a good chunk of the information to the diffraction (on any system) is the only thing that counts. Tighter packed pixels do neither save nor bring back any of it.
We have already established in other threads that you don't understand why higher linear resolution of the sensor is advantageous in situations where magnification is important.
You mean the crop is important? That is if you start with 1:1 lens to begin with, but then how about Canon MP-e 65 then, as an example, or those tamrons with the native extensions in between, would those be comparable?
You can use all of them on Olympus. Macro is often done with manual focusing anyway. In any case, limiting factor is lens and how close you can come to the subject, and sensor with higher linear resolution will resolve smaller details.
It will not resolve smaller detail at the same framing. It's just that, there is no magic in it.

Sure, you can attach 3rd party lenses, done that too, would take AF any time over the manual setups these days (That's why I never bought Zeiss, however good they are).
It's the same when using extreme tele, or even telescope. You can use virtually any lens or telescope with a m4/3 camera (so the limit is the lens), and the higher linear resolution of the sensor will get you a little "closer" to the subject. Not 2x closer, because full-frame has higher overall resolution. You would need a full-frame sensor with 80 mpix to produce equivalent results.
That lens you are talking about mounting must have an aperture ring on it and not focus by wire. Not interested.
 

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