Mirrorless mania !!

Roland Karlsson said:

@xmedia - how do you know Pentax is struggling? They might be. But, I wonder from where you got the facts?

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zakaria said:

I am seeing a new born for pentax future in Mirrorless .

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justmeMN said:

Roland Karlsson said:

@xmedia - how do you know Pentax is struggling? They might be. But, I wonder from where you got the facts?

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I don't know about other countries, but:

Last year, their Japan-only, DSLR-only market share was (BCN) only 4.2%.

And, of course, they have a zero mirrorless camera market share.

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Barry Pearson said:

Barry Pearson said:

And, of course, they have a zero mirrorless camera market share.

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Does that include the Q System?

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justmeMN said:

Barry Pearson said:

justmeMN said:

And, of course, they have a zero mirrorless camera market share.

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Does that include the Q System?

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Oops, I forgot that they still made that. BCN Award only reports the top three in each category, so Q's market share in Japan isn't listed.

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Barry Pearson said:

I didn't mention the Q System because of its sales. I mentioned it for the following;

Pentax developed a new mount specifically for mirrorless cameras, then released a total of 4 cameras, (with two different sensor sizes), and 8 lenses for it. Plus an adapter to use K-mount lenses on those cameras.

(I have 2 of those cameras, 4 of the lenses, and the adapter).

I wonder how much of that experience is transferable to ASP-C and/or FF cameras and lenses?

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petreluk said:

Barry Pearson said:

petreluk said:

None of this has much bearing on Pentax. In effect they resigned from the fray three or so years ago to concentrate on their existing customers who are K-mount DSLR users. I doubt they would want to risk splitting or alienating their userbase so maybe any mirrorless venture would come later or solely under the Ricoh banner. Imagine the reaction if it became apparent that, say, new 85mm and 35mm f1.4 FF prime lenses were being delayed in favour of a new mirrorless line.

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A vitally important lesson from Nikon and Canon (and Q-series!) is that a mirrorless camera with a new mount must be accompanied from day 1 with an adapter to use existing lenses.

If Pentax brought out a mirrorless camera plus comprehensive adapter for K-mount lenses, there is no need for the the K-mount userbase to feel alienated. It would send the message:

"The existing K-mount userbase remains important, now and into the future, and these new cameras provide extra options for people with an investment in K-mount lenses".

For this reason, it would not even be necessary for Ricoh/Pentax to release new lenses, that only work with the new mount, on day 1. They could just extend their roadmaps, and develop and release new lenses for the new mount when there are specific reasons to do so. (There are reasons for buying mirrorless cameras other than new lenses!)

I'm an "existing customer who is a K-mount DSLR user". I've owned (and in some cases still own) 9 different Pentax K-mount digital SLRs. (And also some Pentax 35mm-film SLRs). I've owned (and in some cases still own) at least 18 different Pentax K-mount lenses. I think 23 such lenses in all, in fact.
(Plus several non-Pentax K-mount lenses).

I wouldn't feel alienated by a Pentax new mount for mirrorless lenses as long as there were a suitable adapter. I would actually be encouraged that Ricoh/Pentax were taking a broader view that might prolong their future. I would examine the specifications for such cameras, and might buy one, (to accompany my existing cameras), if I thought it would offer some useful benefits for me.

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I agree about adapters though realistically they are a stopgap on the way to be dedicated lenses, eventually.

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petreluk said:

And without at least some new glass on day 1 then Ricoh wouldn’t stand a chance. This is a very competitive field with high expectations. People want to feel a company really means business, isn’t messing around and offers something good to go from the start.

However, my impression is that mirrorless development would be felt to mean less DSLR development given the apparently limited resources available, and that would be fiercely resented by some long-term users. But if presented as an essential change because the alternative was closure sooner or later then after a while most would come round, perhaps.

Anyway, we’ll see. Given lead times if they start today it would be 2021 before anything appeared. So either they’ve already started or be prepared for a long wait.

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Roland Karlsson said:

Barry Pearson said:

I didn't mention the Q System because of its sales. I mentioned it for the following;

Pentax developed a new mount specifically for mirrorless cameras, then released a total of 4 cameras, (with two different sensor sizes), and 8 lenses for it. Plus an adapter to use K-mount lenses on those cameras.

(I have 2 of those cameras, 4 of the lenses, and the adapter).

I wonder how much of that experience is transferable to ASP-C and/or FF cameras and lenses?

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I do not own a Q.

So - what do you say? Does it have any functionality and quality that would make them compete with Sony FF and now Nikon FF if scaled up?

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zakaria said:

When I am referring to mirrorless I am not asking them to only go mirrorless ff but also MF.

Fujifilm is killing the pentax MF system!

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zakaria said:

Ok

Maybe it is not the first post and will not the last but mirrorless Imposed itself on all.rumors today nearest to be facts tomorrow that canon on its way to join the ff mirrorless camera club also Panasonic. The cake is big and video is where these companies seeing the future. Sony has 7s fujifilm has XH canon will do the same thing and Nikon will bring its video version. I will not ask pentax to follow them but again does pentax seeing what all these companies doesn't .I like pentax even it backed to film era.

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Chris Mak said:

petreluk said:

Barry Pearson said:

petreluk said:

None of this has much bearing on Pentax. In effect they resigned from the fray three or so years ago to concentrate on their existing customers who are K-mount DSLR users. I doubt they would want to risk splitting or alienating their userbase so maybe any mirrorless venture would come later or solely under the Ricoh banner. Imagine the reaction if it became apparent that, say, new 85mm and 35mm f1.4 FF prime lenses were being delayed in favour of a new mirrorless line.

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A vitally important lesson from Nikon and Canon (and Q-series!) is that a mirrorless camera with a new mount must be accompanied from day 1 with an adapter to use existing lenses.

If Pentax brought out a mirrorless camera plus comprehensive adapter for K-mount lenses, there is no need for the the K-mount userbase to feel alienated. It would send the message:

"The existing K-mount userbase remains important, now and into the future, and these new cameras provide extra options for people with an investment in K-mount lenses".

For this reason, it would not even be necessary for Ricoh/Pentax to release new lenses, that only work with the new mount, on day 1. They could just extend their roadmaps, and develop and release new lenses for the new mount when there are specific reasons to do so. (There are reasons for buying mirrorless cameras other than new lenses!)

I'm an "existing customer who is a K-mount DSLR user". I've owned (and in some cases still own) 9 different Pentax K-mount digital SLRs. (And also some Pentax 35mm-film SLRs). I've owned (and in some cases still own) at least 18 different Pentax K-mount lenses. I think 23 such lenses in all, in fact.
(Plus several non-Pentax K-mount lenses).

I wouldn't feel alienated by a Pentax new mount for mirrorless lenses as long as there were a suitable adapter. I would actually be encouraged that Ricoh/Pentax were taking a broader view that might prolong their future. I would examine the specifications for such cameras, and might buy one, (to accompany my existing cameras), if I thought it would offer some useful benefits for me.

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I agree about adapters though realistically they are a stopgap on the way to be dedicated lenses, eventually.

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You could take another view, and simply see a mirrorless camera with a k-mount adapter, as a "modular" camera, that enables full k-mount shooting, without shutting the door on all the (future) possibilities of mirrorless shooting. Auto focus will not reach native dslr levels, but is not exactly Pentax' forte anyhow. Plus, if they at least would start development on sensor based AF, then it would reach very acceptabke levels after a few years, similar as with Olympus 4/3 lenses on the EM bodies with adapter.

Chris Mak said:

And without at least some new glass on day 1 then Ricoh wouldn’t stand a chance. This is a very competitive field with high expectations. People want to feel a company really means business, isn’t messing around and offers something good to go from the start.

However, my impression is that mirrorless development would be felt to mean less DSLR development given the apparently limited resources available, and that would be fiercely resented by some long-term users. But if presented as an essential change because the alternative was closure sooner or later then after a while most would come round, perhaps.

Anyway, we’ll see. Given lead times if they start today it would be 2021 before anything appeared. So either they’ve already started or be prepared for a long wait.

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flektogon said:

Gary Martin said:

flektogon said:

Look, even the latest EVF are almost as good as OVF (at least based on what the experts are saying). Now, can you imagine how much better those EVF will be, let's say 5 years from now? Because I can't. But I am 100% sure that the mirror will remain a moving obstacle in front of sensor even after 50 years. So, such discussions are completely meaningless. The future (actually even the present) belongs to MILC, regardless whether you like it or not.

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An EVF allows the use of focus-peaking and high magnification for precise, reliable manual focus, through the viewfinder. This is a killer feature, IMO.

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Not to admit that the MILC is the way to go, is a pure ignorance. Really, there is nothing to discuss about it any more.

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Alex Sarbu said:

flektogon said:

Gary Martin said:

Alex Sarbu said:

Look, even the latest EVF are almost as good as OVF (at least based on what the experts are saying). Now, can you imagine how much better those EVF will be, let's say 5 years from now? Because I can't. But I am 100% sure that the mirror will remain a moving obstacle in front of sensor even after 50 years. So, such discussions are completely meaningless. The future (actually even the present) belongs to MILC, regardless whether you like it or not.

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An EVF allows the use of focus-peaking and high magnification for precise, reliable manual focus, through the viewfinder. This is a killer feature, IMO.

Click to expand...

Not to admit that the MILC is the way to go, is a pure ignorance. Really, there is nothing to discuss about it any more.

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Interesting way of thinking. EVFs give me (and many others) discomfort, even headaches; they're simply not an option for me.

Why shouldn't we have both DSLRs and MILCs, and be able to choose?

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petreluk said:

Chris Mak said:

petreluk said:

Barry Pearson said:

petreluk said:

None of this has much bearing on Pentax. In effect they resigned from the fray three or so years ago to concentrate on their existing customers who are K-mount DSLR users. I doubt they would want to risk splitting or alienating their userbase so maybe any mirrorless venture would come later or solely under the Ricoh banner. Imagine the reaction if it became apparent that, say, new 85mm and 35mm f1.4 FF prime lenses were being delayed in favour of a new mirrorless line.

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A vitally important lesson from Nikon and Canon (and Q-series!) is that a mirrorless camera with a new mount must be accompanied from day 1 with an adapter to use existing lenses.

If Pentax brought out a mirrorless camera plus comprehensive adapter for K-mount lenses, there is no need for the the K-mount userbase to feel alienated. It would send the message:

"The existing K-mount userbase remains important, now and into the future, and these new cameras provide extra options for people with an investment in K-mount lenses".

For this reason, it would not even be necessary for Ricoh/Pentax to release new lenses, that only work with the new mount, on day 1. They could just extend their roadmaps, and develop and release new lenses for the new mount when there are specific reasons to do so. (There are reasons for buying mirrorless cameras other than new lenses!)

I'm an "existing customer who is a K-mount DSLR user". I've owned (and in some cases still own) 9 different Pentax K-mount digital SLRs. (And also some Pentax 35mm-film SLRs). I've owned (and in some cases still own) at least 18 different Pentax K-mount lenses. I think 23 such lenses in all, in fact.
(Plus several non-Pentax K-mount lenses).

I wouldn't feel alienated by a Pentax new mount for mirrorless lenses as long as there were a suitable adapter. I would actually be encouraged that Ricoh/Pentax were taking a broader view that might prolong their future. I would examine the specifications for such cameras, and might buy one, (to accompany my existing cameras), if I thought it would offer some useful benefits for me.

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I agree about adapters though realistically they are a stopgap on the way to be dedicated lenses, eventually.

Click to expand...

You could take another view, and simply see a mirrorless camera with a k-mount adapter, as a "modular" camera, that enables full k-mount shooting, without shutting the door on all the (future) possibilities of mirrorless shooting. Auto focus will not reach native dslr levels, but is not exactly Pentax' forte anyhow. Plus, if they at least would start development on sensor based AF, then it would reach very acceptabke levels after a few years, similar as with Olympus 4/3 lenses on the EM bodies with adapter.

petreluk said:

And without at least some new glass on day 1 then Ricoh wouldn’t stand a chance. This is a very competitive field with high expectations. People want to feel a company really means business, isn’t messing around and offers something good to go from the start.

However, my impression is that mirrorless development would be felt to mean less DSLR development given the apparently limited resources available, and that would be fiercely resented by some long-term users. But if presented as an essential change because the alternative was closure sooner or later then after a while most would come round, perhaps.

Anyway, we’ll see. Given lead times if they start today it would be 2021 before anything appeared. So either they’ve already started or be prepared for a long wait.

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I'm not arguing against adapters. I'm just saying that realistically they aren't there forever. Sooner or later things have to move on. For example, they have to move on from screwdrive prime lenses to made-for-digital ones with designs and motors tuned for mirrorless cameras. Adapters allow a company to bring its users along with it. So yes very very important, which is why Canon and Nikon are going that route. But economics means the company needs those users to start buying new lenses eventually.

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Barry Pearson said:

petreluk said:

Chris Mak said:

petreluk said:

Barry Pearson said:

petreluk said:

None of this has much bearing on Pentax. In effect they resigned from the fray three or so years ago to concentrate on their existing customers who are K-mount DSLR users. I doubt they would want to risk splitting or alienating their userbase so maybe any mirrorless venture would come later or solely under the Ricoh banner. Imagine the reaction if it became apparent that, say, new 85mm and 35mm f1.4 FF prime lenses were being delayed in favour of a new mirrorless line.

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A vitally important lesson from Nikon and Canon (and Q-series!) is that a mirrorless camera with a new mount must be accompanied from day 1 with an adapter to use existing lenses.

If Pentax brought out a mirrorless camera plus comprehensive adapter for K-mount lenses, there is no need for the the K-mount userbase to feel alienated. It would send the message:

"The existing K-mount userbase remains important, now and into the future, and these new cameras provide extra options for people with an investment in K-mount lenses".

For this reason, it would not even be necessary for Ricoh/Pentax to release new lenses, that only work with the new mount, on day 1. They could just extend their roadmaps, and develop and release new lenses for the new mount when there are specific reasons to do so. (There are reasons for buying mirrorless cameras other than new lenses!)

I'm an "existing customer who is a K-mount DSLR user". I've owned (and in some cases still own) 9 different Pentax K-mount digital SLRs. (And also some Pentax 35mm-film SLRs). I've owned (and in some cases still own) at least 18 different Pentax K-mount lenses. I think 23 such lenses in all, in fact.
(Plus several non-Pentax K-mount lenses).

I wouldn't feel alienated by a Pentax new mount for mirrorless lenses as long as there were a suitable adapter. I would actually be encouraged that Ricoh/Pentax were taking a broader view that might prolong their future. I would examine the specifications for such cameras, and might buy one, (to accompany my existing cameras), if I thought it would offer some useful benefits for me.

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I agree about adapters though realistically they are a stopgap on the way to be dedicated lenses, eventually.

Click to expand...

You could take another view, and simply see a mirrorless camera with a k-mount adapter, as a "modular" camera, that enables full k-mount shooting, without shutting the door on all the (future) possibilities of mirrorless shooting. Auto focus will not reach native dslr levels, but is not exactly Pentax' forte anyhow. Plus, if they at least would start development on sensor based AF, then it would reach very acceptabke levels after a few years, similar as with Olympus 4/3 lenses on the EM bodies with adapter.

Barry Pearson said:

And without at least some new glass on day 1 then Ricoh wouldn’t stand a chance. This is a very competitive field with high expectations. People want to feel a company really means business, isn’t messing around and offers something good to go from the start.

However, my impression is that mirrorless development would be felt to mean less DSLR development given the apparently limited resources available, and that would be fiercely resented by some long-term users. But if presented as an essential change because the alternative was closure sooner or later then after a while most would come round, perhaps.

Anyway, we’ll see. Given lead times if they start today it would be 2021 before anything appeared. So either they’ve already started or be prepared for a long wait.

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I'm not arguing against adapters. I'm just saying that realistically they aren't there forever. Sooner or later things have to move on. For example, they have to move on from screwdrive prime lenses to made-for-digital ones with designs and motors tuned for mirrorless cameras. Adapters allow a company to bring its users along with it. So yes very very important, which is why Canon and Nikon are going that route. But economics means the company needs those users to start buying new lenses eventually.

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I'm sure that Nikon and Canon users would have continued to buy new lenses even if those companies hadn't released a new mount!

I expect that many users of the new mirrorless cameras will buy at least some of the existing huge range of SLR-oriented lenses. Perhaps because they also have an SLR, or because lenses specifically for the new mount will take several years (if ever) to become a comprehensive set.

I'm sure we will see a gradual statistical trend over many years. Not some sort of abrupt switch. And whether or not Nikon and Canon will continue to design and development new SLR-oriented lenses is a different decision from whether they will continue to manufacture designs that already exist.

(If Pentax did something similar, and I bought such a mirrorless camera, I would buy an adapter. I would only need 1 of them, and it would have a long life).

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Barry Pearson said:

Alex Sarbu said:

flektogon said:

Gary Martin said:

Barry Pearson said:

Look, even the latest EVF are almost as good as OVF (at least based on what the experts are saying). Now, can you imagine how much better those EVF will be, let's say 5 years from now? Because I can't. But I am 100% sure that the mirror will remain a moving obstacle in front of sensor even after 50 years. So, such discussions are completely meaningless. The future (actually even the present) belongs to MILC, regardless whether you like it or not.

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An EVF allows the use of focus-peaking and high magnification for precise, reliable manual focus, through the viewfinder. This is a killer feature, IMO.

Click to expand...

Not to admit that the MILC is the way to go, is a pure ignorance. Really, there is nothing to discuss about it any more.

Click to expand...

Interesting way of thinking. EVFs give me (and many others) discomfort, even headaches; they're simply not an option for me.

Why shouldn't we have both DSLRs and MILCs, and be able to choose?

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Yes!

That is what I would like to see from Pentax.

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petreluk said:

Barry Pearson said:

petreluk said:

Chris Mak said:

petreluk said:

Barry Pearson said:

petreluk said:

None of this has much bearing on Pentax. In effect they resigned from the fray three or so years ago to concentrate on their existing customers who are K-mount DSLR users. I doubt they would want to risk splitting or alienating their userbase so maybe any mirrorless venture would come later or solely under the Ricoh banner. Imagine the reaction if it became apparent that, say, new 85mm and 35mm f1.4 FF prime lenses were being delayed in favour of a new mirrorless line.

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A vitally important lesson from Nikon and Canon (and Q-series!) is that a mirrorless camera with a new mount must be accompanied from day 1 with an adapter to use existing lenses.

If Pentax brought out a mirrorless camera plus comprehensive adapter for K-mount lenses, there is no need for the the K-mount userbase to feel alienated. It would send the message:

"The existing K-mount userbase remains important, now and into the future, and these new cameras provide extra options for people with an investment in K-mount lenses".

For this reason, it would not even be necessary for Ricoh/Pentax to release new lenses, that only work with the new mount, on day 1. They could just extend their roadmaps, and develop and release new lenses for the new mount when there are specific reasons to do so. (There are reasons for buying mirrorless cameras other than new lenses!)

I'm an "existing customer who is a K-mount DSLR user". I've owned (and in some cases still own) 9 different Pentax K-mount digital SLRs. (And also some Pentax 35mm-film SLRs). I've owned (and in some cases still own) at least 18 different Pentax K-mount lenses. I think 23 such lenses in all, in fact.
(Plus several non-Pentax K-mount lenses).

I wouldn't feel alienated by a Pentax new mount for mirrorless lenses as long as there were a suitable adapter. I would actually be encouraged that Ricoh/Pentax were taking a broader view that might prolong their future. I would examine the specifications for such cameras, and might buy one, (to accompany my existing cameras), if I thought it would offer some useful benefits for me.

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I agree about adapters though realistically they are a stopgap on the way to be dedicated lenses, eventually.

Click to expand...

You could take another view, and simply see a mirrorless camera with a k-mount adapter, as a "modular" camera, that enables full k-mount shooting, without shutting the door on all the (future) possibilities of mirrorless shooting. Auto focus will not reach native dslr levels, but is not exactly Pentax' forte anyhow. Plus, if they at least would start development on sensor based AF, then it would reach very acceptabke levels after a few years, similar as with Olympus 4/3 lenses on the EM bodies with adapter.

petreluk said:

And without at least some new glass on day 1 then Ricoh wouldn’t stand a chance. This is a very competitive field with high expectations. People want to feel a company really means business, isn’t messing around and offers something good to go from the start.

However, my impression is that mirrorless development would be felt to mean less DSLR development given the apparently limited resources available, and that would be fiercely resented by some long-term users. But if presented as an essential change because the alternative was closure sooner or later then after a while most would come round, perhaps.

Anyway, we’ll see. Given lead times if they start today it would be 2021 before anything appeared. So either they’ve already started or be prepared for a long wait.

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I'm not arguing against adapters. I'm just saying that realistically they aren't there forever. Sooner or later things have to move on. For example, they have to move on from screwdrive prime lenses to made-for-digital ones with designs and motors tuned for mirrorless cameras. Adapters allow a company to bring its users along with it. So yes very very important, which is why Canon and Nikon are going that route. But economics means the company needs those users to start buying new lenses eventually.

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I'm sure that Nikon and Canon users would have continued to buy new lenses even if those companies hadn't released a new mount!

I expect that many users of the new mirrorless cameras will buy at least some of the existing huge range of SLR-oriented lenses. Perhaps because they also have an SLR, or because lenses specifically for the new mount will take several years (if ever) to become a comprehensive set.

I'm sure we will see a gradual statistical trend over many years. Not some sort of abrupt switch. And whether or not Nikon and Canon will continue to design and development new SLR-oriented lenses is a different decision from whether they will continue to manufacture designs that already exist.

(If Pentax did something similar, and I bought such a mirrorless camera, I would buy an adapter. I would only need 1 of them, and it would have a long life).

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I'd think any abrupt switch very unlikely. However, over the next two or three years it will sink in across the market where the future lies and where most of the R&D money is going and that will start to produce a natural tailing off among customers. That will also mean a natural tailing off among users of adapters. Some will still be using them in a decade, but far far fewer than the numbers using them today. Take the Z mount. It has a large diameter for a reason. It won't take much to start persuading people that to get the best you really need a new lens designed for Z mount. All kinds of tricks will be used in the service of selling new kit. The companies will happily sell you old kit but they'll want to earn back their investment in new kit too. So while there might not be any sudden switch my own guess is that a change-over won't take forever either. Six to eight years, perhaps?

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Alex Sarbu said:

Barry Pearson said:

Alex Sarbu said:

flektogon said:

Gary Martin said:

Alex Sarbu said:

Look, even the latest EVF are almost as good as OVF (at least based on what the experts are saying). Now, can you imagine how much better those EVF will be, let's say 5 years from now? Because I can't. But I am 100% sure that the mirror will remain a moving obstacle in front of sensor even after 50 years. So, such discussions are completely meaningless. The future (actually even the present) belongs to MILC, regardless whether you like it or not.

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An EVF allows the use of focus-peaking and high magnification for precise, reliable manual focus, through the viewfinder. This is a killer feature, IMO.

Click to expand...

Not to admit that the MILC is the way to go, is a pure ignorance. Really, there is nothing to discuss about it any more.

Click to expand...

Interesting way of thinking. EVFs give me (and many others) discomfort, even headaches; they're simply not an option for me.

Why shouldn't we have both DSLRs and MILCs, and be able to choose?

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Yes!

That is what I would like to see from Pentax.

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It doesn't have to be from Pentax. Pentax is one of the 3 DSLR makers - we already have so many MILC choices.

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Alex Sarbu said:

I'm not against Ricoh Imaging launching a new MILC line, but IMO that shouldn't be at the expense of the K-mount (which is currently in a dire need of improvement). But it's their decision to make.

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Barry Pearson said:

Alex Sarbu said:

Barry Pearson said:

Alex Sarbu said:

flektogon said:

Gary Martin said:

Barry Pearson said:

Look, even the latest EVF are almost as good as OVF (at least based on what the experts are saying). Now, can you imagine how much better those EVF will be, let's say 5 years from now? Because I can't. But I am 100% sure that the mirror will remain a moving obstacle in front of sensor even after 50 years. So, such discussions are completely meaningless. The future (actually even the present) belongs to MILC, regardless whether you like it or not.

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An EVF allows the use of focus-peaking and high magnification for precise, reliable manual focus, through the viewfinder. This is a killer feature, IMO.

Click to expand...

Not to admit that the MILC is the way to go, is a pure ignorance. Really, there is nothing to discuss about it any more.

Click to expand...

Interesting way of thinking. EVFs give me (and many others) discomfort, even headaches; they're simply not an option for me.

Why shouldn't we have both DSLRs and MILCs, and be able to choose?

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Yes!

That is what I would like to see from Pentax.

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It doesn't have to be from Pentax. Pentax is one of the 3 DSLR makers - we already have so many MILC choices.

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My requirement would be to be able to use my range of (mostly recent, and mostly expensive) K-mount lenses on such a camera.

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Barry Pearson said:

I not only want "interchangeable-lens cameras", but also "interchangeable-camera lenses".

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Barry Pearson said:

Barry Pearson said:

I'm not against Ricoh Imaging launching a new MILC line, but IMO that shouldn't be at the expense of the K-mount (which is currently in a dire need of improvement). But it's their decision to make.

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I consider that mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras with a proper K-mount adapter would be good, not bad, for the K-mount.

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