Sure.
But where are the lenses?
It took Sony 5+ years to get to where they are now.
Can this Panasonic FF system lasts 5 years when both Canikon have entered the market? I highly doubted.
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I think a Panasonic FF makes perfect sense... not the death of m43!
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But where are the lenses?
It took Sony 5+ years to get to where they are now.
Can this Panasonic FF system lasts 5 years when both Canikon have entered the market? I highly doubted.
BINGO!!!!!
And if this is true, why should a brand new Panasonic FF camera be competitive with the established Sony Alpha system?
Your magic only work one way? While Panasonic is filling out its FF lens line, Sony will kindly stand still and not introduce anything new, so that poor, lonely Panasonic can catch up, and they sing kumbaya together??
I think the only chance Panasonic can survive is to somehow make an agreement with Sony and uses the Sony (F)E mount.
JaKing
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And you worked this out when ... ?
Perhaps because Panasonic is a far bigger company than any other camera maker. Perhaps bigger than all the rest combined ...
Your words, not mine. As a retired accountant, perhaps I understand manufacturers and manufacturing better than some, along with strategic and tactical business planning and development cycles and times.
Indeed. But the question is: is that in SONY'S better interests?
You're an accountant. I am in manufacturing.
Trust me, people have NO idea of manufacturing, they think that everything can be made on short notice the exact way they want it. Materials realty? A 1mm wall is completely unrealistic? No way! That's what I want!
Grrr. Please don't get me started
James Stirling
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Panasonic are a massive company , they made aprox $3.4 billion operating profit almost five times what Olympus made, as such their survival is not in doubt
Panasonic and Sony have a long rivalry in a number of areas such professional video so i doubt very much they would work together. I wonder if Panasonic are aiming this at the high end video market where prices for gear get astronomical.
JaKing
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I agree in principle, Jim.
However, turnover is possibly an even more important indicator in companies of this size.
However, turnover is possibly an even more important indicator in companies of this size.
James Stirling
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That's.. an excellent observation! They said "full frame SYSTEM camera", who said that this system must be stills oriented?Panasonic are a massive company , they made aprox $3.4 billion operating profit almost five times what Olympus made, as such their survival is not in doubt
cameron2
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I think this one will probably be the biggest thing moving forward. It's how the human eye / visual system works, which is how a very low resolution and low DR device (our eye) can deliver a staggeringly high apparent resolution and DR.
At any rate, it'll be interesting to see. And if it does happen, it will hurt all system cameras, including m43, because the tech will show up first in cell phones, and (eventually) provide the DR and IQ that we get from medium format today in a cell phone camera.
Let's wait and see. I mean A7SIII is just around the cornerThat's.. an excellent observation! They said "full frame SYSTEM camera", who said that this system must be stills oriented?Panasonic are a massive company , they made aprox $3.4 billion operating profit almost five times what Olympus made, as such their survival is not in doubt
Sure sure Sony has overheating issue with a ff sensor right? Well guess what Panny will have to face the same issue now.
Also from the rumors if Panasonic isn't using Sony made sensor they might not have access to OSPDAF and have to stay on DFD.
With that I'd say good luck Panasonic...
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Sergey_Green
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You mean the crop is important? That is if you start with 1:1 lens to begin with, but then how about Canon MP-e 65 then, as an example, or those tamrons with the native extensions in between, would those be comparable?
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Sony only has those problems because they insist on using pretty much the same compact body for all their FF cameras. People talk about how cameras like the GH5 are too big and heavy for the sensor size, but it's what enables it to have unlimited 4K60p recording without overheating. If Panasonic makes a FF hybrid, it'll likely be even bigger and heavier than the GH5, but I doubt Panasonic will allow it to have the same overheating problems.Let's wait and see. I mean A7SIII is just around the cornerThat's.. an excellent observation! They said "full frame SYSTEM camera", who said that this system must be stills oriented?Panasonic are a massive company , they made aprox $3.4 billion operating profit almost five times what Olympus made, as such their survival is not in doubt
Sure sure Sony has overheating issue with a ff sensor right? Well guess what Panny will have to face the same issue now.
Also from the rumors if Panasonic isn't using Sony made sensor they might not have access to OSPDAF and have to stay on DFD.
With that I'd say good luck Panasonic...
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You can use all of them on Olympus. Macro is often done with manual focusing anyway. In any case, limiting factor is lens and how close you can come to the subject, and sensor with higher linear resolution will resolve smaller details.
It's the same when using extreme tele, or even telescope. You can use virtually any lens or telescope with a m4/3 camera (so the limit is the lens), and the higher linear resolution of the sensor will get you a little "closer" to the subject. Not 2x closer, because full-frame has higher overall resolution. You would need a full-frame sensor with 80 mpix to produce equivalent results.
It's difficult, if you don't bring anything new and important to the table. Panasonic full-frame with an 8k video would be the only such camera on the market, and would surely attract a lot of videographers, or hybrid photo/videographers. And not only because of 8k, but also because of 2x crop 4k video, and because of fast photo bursts (at least 30 frames/second in full 8k resolution).
In the end the sales and initial market penetration would depend on price. I have no idea how much would an 8k video camera cost - it could be $3000-4000, or $8000+.
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Sergey_Green
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It will not resolve smaller detail at the same framing. It's just that, there is no magic in it.
Sure, you can attach 3rd party lenses, done that too, would take AF any time over the manual setups these days (That's why I never bought Zeiss, however good they are).
That lens you are talking about mounting must have an aperture ring on it and not focus by wire. Not interested.
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Because of 8k video, perhaps? It would be the only one on the market, so Sony wouldn't even be a competition.
Jon555
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Jon555
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Really doesn't count, the kitchen appliances division isn't designing any lenses anytime some and the Imaging division isn't large, they sell maybe 8% the cameras Canon do.
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