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Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
 
  1. Ching-Kuang Shene wrote:
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
Looks like AF-C will not work: https://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/accessories/mount-converter/
Yeah. It has been known from the very beginning that AFC does not work. I am going to use MC11, which I have had one for MF lenses, and intend to use it in studio setting in which AFC is not used nor critical. Instead, AF speed and accuracy are of paramount important. If MC11 works well with Canon EF or compatible lenses, I plan to invest one or two cheap to not-so-expensive Canon EF compatible lenses.

I have had a Vello adapter for Nikon lenses that is capable of AF on a Sony A7II; however, this Vello does not work with other NEX bodies and is a battery hog. A newly charged battery could be exhausted very quickly. Because I plan to get a Nikon Z7, this Vello thing does not make much sense to me in the near future, and getting Canon EF compatible lenses on my Sony A7II appears to be a rather reasonable approach.

CK
 
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
CK I don’t have the MC11 adapter but the 20-100/1.8 works with the Metabones Speed Booster EF-M4/3. I also have the Viltrox M1 and M2 adapters - I will try it out later today to be sure - and confirm. I have found that in general Sigma EF lenses seem sweet enough on Metabones.
 
  1. Ching-Kuang Shene wrote:
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
Looks like AF-C will not work: https://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/accessories/mount-converter/
Yeah. It has been known from the very beginning that AFC does not work. I am going to use MC11, which I have had one for MF lenses, and intend to use it in studio setting in which AFC is not used nor critical. Instead, AF speed and accuracy are of paramount important. If MC11 works well with Canon EF or compatible lenses, I plan to invest one or two cheap to not-so-expensive Canon EF compatible lenses.

I have had a Vello adapter for Nikon lenses that is capable of AF on a Sony A7II; however, this Vello does not work with other NEX bodies and is a battery hog. A newly charged battery could be exhausted very quickly. Because I plan to get a Nikon Z7, this Vello thing does not make much sense to me in the near future, and getting Canon EF compatible lenses on my Sony A7II appears to be a rather reasonable approach.

CK
CK note that all Sigma DC lenses are made for the aps-c image circle only - including the Sigma DC 50-100mm f1.8. Which makes it an unique high specifcation lens on a M4/3 body focal reduced - or even not focal reduced - but it is only going to play in crop mode on your A7II - maybe on a NEX? It is a large lens and is heavy.

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Tom Caldwell
 
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  1. Ching-Kuang Shene wrote:
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
Looks like AF-C will not work: https://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/accessories/mount-converter/
Yeah... I'm not sure why they say that. Maybe they really mean that AF in video doesn't work? AF-C works fine with my Tamron 24-70/2.8 on an MC-11 (A7II and A7R2). Seems odd that it would work for a competitor's lens and not one of their own.

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A7R2 with SEL2470Z and a number of adapted lenses (Canon FD, Minolta AF, Canon EF, Leica, Nikon...); NEX-7 converted to IR.
 
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  1. Ching-Kuang Shene wrote:
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
Looks like AF-C will not work: https://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/accessories/mount-converter/
Yeah. It has been known from the very beginning that AFC does not work. I am going to use MC11, which I have had one for MF lenses, and intend to use it in studio setting in which AFC is not used nor critical. Instead, AF speed and accuracy are of paramount important. If MC11 works well with Canon EF or compatible lenses, I plan to invest one or two cheap to not-so-expensive Canon EF compatible lenses.

I have had a Vello adapter for Nikon lenses that is capable of AF on a Sony A7II; however, this Vello does not work with other NEX bodies and is a battery hog. A newly charged battery could be exhausted very quickly. Because I plan to get a Nikon Z7, this Vello thing does not make much sense to me in the near future, and getting Canon EF compatible lenses on my Sony A7II appears to be a rather reasonable approach.

CK
CK note that all Sigma DC lenses are made for the aps-c image circle only - including the Sigma DC 50-100mm f1.8. Which makes it an unique high specifcation lens on a M4/3 body focal reduced - or even not focal reduced - but it is only going to play in crop mode on your A7II - maybe on a NEX? It is a large lens and is heavy.
Tom, I know it and will treat this lens as an initial step to get some reasonable Canon EF compatible lenses for NEX and A7II. I have bought that 50-100 and a cheap Tamron 60mm f/2 Macro for Minolta and Sony A mount (because I have the Sony adapter).

BTW, I have a Canon 135mm f/2.8 Soft EF mount lens for many years, and I tested on MC11 and found it works flawlessly on A7II. This is the main thrust behind acquiring Sigma 50-100 before I get a Z7.

Thans for reply.

CK
 
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  1. Ching-Kuang Shene wrote:
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
Looks like AF-C will not work: https://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/accessories/mount-converter/
Yeah. It has been known from the very beginning that AFC does not work. I am going to use MC11, which I have had one for MF lenses, and intend to use it in studio setting in which AFC is not used nor critical. Instead, AF speed and accuracy are of paramount important. If MC11 works well with Canon EF or compatible lenses, I plan to invest one or two cheap to not-so-expensive Canon EF compatible lenses.

I have had a Vello adapter for Nikon lenses that is capable of AF on a Sony A7II; however, this Vello does not work with other NEX bodies and is a battery hog. A newly charged battery could be exhausted very quickly. Because I plan to get a Nikon Z7, this Vello thing does not make much sense to me in the near future, and getting Canon EF compatible lenses on my Sony A7II appears to be a rather reasonable approach.

CK
CK note that all Sigma DC lenses are made for the aps-c image circle only - including the Sigma DC 50-100mm f1.8. Which makes it an unique high specifcation lens on a M4/3 body focal reduced - or even not focal reduced - but it is only going to play in crop mode on your A7II - maybe on a NEX? It is a large lens and is heavy.
Tom, I know it and will treat this lens as an initial step to get some reasonable Canon EF compatible lenses for NEX and A7II. I have bought that 50-100 and a cheap Tamron 60mm f/2 Macro for Minolta and Sony A mount (because I have the Sony adapter).

BTW, I have a Canon 135mm f/2.8 Soft EF mount lens for many years, and I tested on MC11 and found it works flawlessly on A7II. This is the main thrust behind acquiring Sigma 50-100 before I get a Z7.

Thans for reply.

CK
Forgot my promise for a while and then remembered it - I can only test properly on compatibility to M4/3 and as both adpaters seem to use the same firmware for their non focal reduced lenses then one test serves both purposes.

With each adapter I get the fast double clunk to focus - this seems typical and I intepret this as a fast traverse until the constrast detect level starts decreasing past highest point and a back up to the remembered highest reading. The clunks meaning that the lenses are on fastest traverse speed.

In any case both Metabones and Viltrox FR adapters seem to give similar perfomance on the DC 50-100/1.8. When set to pinpoint focus ithe “focus” action is quick but the result is not always in focus. Retries might be needed. When set to “custom multi point” the focus seemed to be quite reliable.

This is a good result for Viltrox as their adapters do not necessarily yet work with many EF mount lenses.

I did try it inside in lower available light and outside. The Metabones wasreading f1.3 wide open and the Viltrox f1.2. Maybe a slight difference in their FR level or simply a rounding effect in their algorithms. The Vilrox mounted said that the G9 IBIS was not working - I did not investigate why nor did I notice if the Metabones was doing the same thing.

Focus speed? S-AF is adequate, nothing that I could really complain about. C-AF - didn’t try I know that it doesn’t work on other lenses.

Well that is not quite true. When C-AF is used there is a constant clattering of refocusing going on which seems ready to rattle the lens to bits and I don’t particularly like. If you set the focus release lock to only release when in focus and hold it down it “can” take images in focus with C-AF as it races past an in-focus point. But I don’t like the racket the lenses are making in this process so have not tested it extensively.

Soft focus

The only soft focus lens I have is the Mamiya 645 145/4.0 lens which I have adapted to M4/3 - this is a very interesting lens that I could play with for hours using its “combinations” - to get the best out of it would take some practice and some effort - it has given me some delightful images and I should use it more. One of the things that endears me to photography is in the mastering of the gear that I use. More so than many the M645 140/4.0 gives bucketloads of pleasure in just seeing what it can do.
 
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Focus speed? S-AF is adequate, nothing that I could really complain about. C-AF - didn’t try I know that it doesn’t work on other lenses.

Well that is not quite true. When C-AF is used there is a constant clattering of refocusing going on which seems ready to rattle the lens to bits and I don’t particularly like. If you set the focus release lock to only release when in focus and hold it down it “can” take images in focus with C-AF as it races past an in-focus point. But I don’t like the racket the lenses are making in this process so have not tested it extensively.
Will receive a Canon EF compatible Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 the coming Tuesday and test it with my MC11 usingt a NEX6 - the studio cam for shooting my blog equipment images. A Tamron 60mm f/2 Macro will come some time next week. Both are APS-C sensor lenses, which is fine with me because I don't need extremely high resolution and I only need convenience.
Soft focus

The only soft focus lens I have is the Mamiya 645 145/4.0 lens which I have adapted to M4/3 - this is a very interesting lens that I could play with for hours using its “combinations” - to get the best out of it would take some practice and some effort - it has given me some delightful images and I should use it more. One of the things that endears me to photography is in the mastering of the gear that I use. More so than many the M645 140/4.0 gives bucketloads of pleasure in just seeing what it can do.
I have never played a Mamita 645 which is not my cup of tea. I did own a Contax 645 for a long time and sold it. I have some soft focus lenses, mainly because of interested in its optical design. I have two Pentax soft focus lenses: 85mm f/2 and AF 85mm f/2.8 (forgot the max aperture), an Imagon 90mm for Leica, a Fujinon 85mm f/4, a Canon EF 135mm f/2.8, a Sima 100mm f/2 cheap lens, and a Portragon 100mm f/4 (also cheap and lousy). The original Imagon is an achromatic doublet which is specifically designed to produce a soft image by introducing excessive controlled spherical abberation. This Imagon became the base of many later lenses (e.g., Pentax 85mm f/2). However, the Imagon use three discs, each of which has a different number of holes that allow the incoming light to pass through. This modifies the aperture AND the sharpness. This is the longest survived soft focus lens. Maybe someone could have a kickstarter to make this lens again. The Pentax version is different in that Pentax uses aperture ring to cut off peripheral light to improve sharpness. The Fujinon 85mm f/4 shares the same design, but with a fixed disc with holes directly built into the lens tube. Maybe your Mamiya is of this type. The Canon 135mm f/2.8 and the Pentax AF 85mm f/2.8 (?) -- and Minolta alikes -- use internal elements to alter the softness of the final image. The Nikon AFD 105mm f/2 DC and AFD 135mm f/2 DC use the same concept for smoothing forground and background rather than making the image soft. If you have any chance, get a Nikon AFD 105mm f/2 DC and play with it, I am sure your will have a lot of fun. The problem is that this lens does not make good looking bokeh in the foreground; however, this lens is very sharp at the center.

CKL
 
I have come to quite like the Mamiya 645 lenses. They are in two tranches - the older and newer (current) ones. The price differences are incredible. I doubt if the older affordable ones are that much worse considering Mamiya was a respected maker of medium format gear. My “trick” has been to adapt them to EF (easy) and then I can further adapt to M4/3 including focal reduction if I am interested. The glass is good and the size of the lenses has never much bothered me. I seem to get quite a lot of bang for modest bucks.

I have the instruction booklet for the 145/4.0 “somewhere” but I cannot lay my hands on it quickly. It is readily found on the web so I might have to download it again. It does give the method of soft focus operation which as far as I remember is merely the movement of lens placement internally. It has a dot size/coloured ring on the front of the lens which allows various strengths of soft focus to be selected - from utter dreamy to just a slight mist. The lens has a release mechanism activated by pulling the focus ring back against a spring - which is not working properly and the internal operation is sticky. I am not game to pull apart such a complex lens that is otherwise working properly to repair a slightly stuck release mechnism somewhee inside. Set to soft-focus = off the lens is very sharp.

Like to manual download (pdf)


Two separate groups of elements are moved apart to obtain various degrees of soft focus.

That these lenses are medium format image circle means that you can fit the Kipon shift/rotate adapter M645-EF if you wish (presumably) without vignette. I can then add a focal reduction adapter after that to M4/3. Despite that odd combination it all seems to work. It would certainly work on your NEX body.
 
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  1. Ching-Kuang Shene wrote:
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?
you should be asking that question in the sony milc forum.
Yeah... I'm not sure why they say that. Maybe they really mean that AF in video doesn't work? AF-C works fine with my Tamron 24-70/2.8 on an MC-11 (A7II and A7R2). Seems odd that it would work for a competitor's lens and not one of their own.
that sigma chart claims that no lens will have af-c, lol, every lens has an "x" in the center column.

which is of course wrong; the 135 art on my a9 has af-c at 13-14fps, it rocks.

I wonder if the o.p. will at least have cdaf capability with his nex6.
 
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  1. Ching-Kuang Shene wrote:
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?
you should be asking that question in the sony milc forum.
Yeah... I'm not sure why they say that. Maybe they really mean that AF in video doesn't work? AF-C works fine with my Tamron 24-70/2.8 on an MC-11 (A7II and A7R2). Seems odd that it would work for a competitor's lens and not one of their own.
that sigma chart claims that no lens will have af-c, lol, every lens has an "x" in the center column.

which is of course wrong; the 135 art on my a9 has af-c at 13-14fps, it rocks.

I wonder if the o.p. will at least have cdaf capability with his nex6.
I have not used my NEX6 with EF lenses adapted my Metabones for quite a while. But it had not trouble with cdaf whn I had a Canon EF 200/2.0 lens on it. In fact the A7R that I also tried the same lens on was appreciablly worse off. Furthermore as Metabones firmware improved it never made using adpated EF lens on the series I A7R much AF fun. The word was that the Sony cdaf was pathetic and as Metabones had to use the cdaf on that prticular model and that was going to be as good as it gets - luckily Sony went pdaf on its sensors for subsequent models even though Panasonic seems to have made cdaf not only very quick but also (cdaf-like) accurate for S-AF on its camera bodies. Unfortunately C-AF still does not work on the same Panasonic bodies and most Olympus bodies - although some success has been anecdotally achieved with the Olympus E-MIii which has pdaf.

Maybe Sigma was charting general purpose C-AF rather than the more hit or miss where some camera bodies might work but not others? In any case S-AF on Panasonic is usually so quick that I hardly feel the need to use C-AF for my limited needs to use it.
 
a7r is cdaf-only, and it's actually pretty snappy with the fe90 and the Samyang 35/2.8, but those are native e-mount lenses. i don't remember trying af-c, or if the camera can even do it, lol

the nex6 has hybrid af, so i'm wondering which, if any, adapters will utilize the pdaf capability... sigma with a supported art lens would be the best candidate, because it usually looks like native glass to the camera body.

it's complicated because the a7 also has hybrid af, but adapters don't always have pdaf capability with it: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3967855
 
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a7r is cdaf-only, and it's actually pretty snappy with the fe90 and the Samyang 35/2.8, but those are native e-mount lenses. i don't remember trying af-c, or if the camera can even do it, lol
I bought my A7R to use with adapted EF lenses only so I never bought any native Sony E/FE lenses or I might have been more pleased with it. I was using a 5D for theatre work and it was getting old and I was impatient even then with Canon’s refusal to go FF ML. Tried in theatre the cdaf was hopeless on EF lenses and later advances in Metabones firmware improved but did not satisfactorly cure my issues with the A7R so it became an orphan camera body in my collection. I pull it out every now and then and have another go at trying to like it :) Hasn’t worked so far ...
the nex6 has hybrid af, so i'm wondering which, if any, adapters will utilize the pdaf capability... sigma with a supported art lens would be the best candidate, because it usually looks like native glass to the camera body.
Not sure that the NEX6 was a hybrid but I will bow to a higher authority. I always found that the NEX6 handled EF lenses better when adapted via Metabones. I quite like that camera even though it is very obviously very basic in features. My comment was that it was the only camera I have had where I ran out of “features” to allocate to functions and it only has one function button ... but it is a nice camera to use - especially when you re-allocate the screen magnify to the AEL lock button to save dislocating your thumb.

The menu system is pretty “twee” and I only ever used half of its sections - scrolling through endless greyed out menu items was a bit of a bore. But once set up it was nice and comfortable - unlike its big brother (ugly sister?)

Just imagine if we had bene given the “FF NEX” as everyone was once whooping about - now that would have been a very nice camera to use.
it's complicated because the a7 also has hybrid af, but adapters don't always have pdaf capability with it: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3967855
Not being an expert in the firmware offered in these critturs but having a minor coding background ... from what I have read it seems that the main object of these lens-camera body interfaces is to link up the camera’s internal systems to the lens. Consequently there are no improvements offered by the adapter manufacturer only linking to internal systems offered by the camera - as such the interface lives and dies with whatever native AF system that the camera offers. It is posisble that the adapter manufacturer missed a “focus circuit” but I would have thought that harder to miss than to find.

That lenses have different characteristics and drive systems seems to be the main issues with compatibility and there must be some sort of database of routines with varying responses depending upon how the lens identifies itself.

It could be possible that pdaf requires a whole different set of lens drivers to cdaf - but the issue is way outside my technical knowledge.
 
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
CK I don’t have the MC11 adapter but the 20-100/1.8 works with the Metabones Speed Booster EF-M4/3. I also have the Viltrox M1 and M2 adapters - I will try it out later today to be sure - and confirm. I have found that in general Sigma EF lenses seem sweet enough on Metabones.
Tom, never mind. My SIgma 50-100mm f/1.8 Art came Tuesday afternoon. I mounted it to a MC11 and then mounted the combo to a NEX6. It worked nicely; however, focusing speed sometimes was slow. Sometimes the lens can hunt for a while and then stopped focusing. When weather permits I will take it out under the sun and test it again. How good is this lens on a Canon EF body is not clear though.

CK
 
Tom,

I have a chance to get a Sigma Art 50-100mm f/1.8 for Canon. Can this lens work with MC-11 flawlessly in terms of AF and metering?

Thanks.

CK
CK I don’t have the MC11 adapter but the 20-100/1.8 works with the Metabones Speed Booster EF-M4/3. I also have the Viltrox M1 and M2 adapters - I will try it out later today to be sure - and confirm. I have found that in general Sigma EF lenses seem sweet enough on Metabones.
Tom, never mind. My SIgma 50-100mm f/1.8 Art came Tuesday afternoon. I mounted it to a MC11 and then mounted the combo to a NEX6. It worked nicely; however, focusing speed sometimes was slow. Sometimes the lens can hunt for a while and then stopped focusing. When weather permits I will take it out under the sun and test it again. How good is this lens on a Canon EF body is not clear though.

CK
I still have a Canon 30D and a 5D body. But honestly I could not bother even trying. These camera bodies are now well out of date and the 50-100 is aps-c only anyway.

The competence of M4/3 now exceeds old dslr camera bodies.

Works ok for me - the focal length range is not ideal for me but the focal reduced speed is very good. It is an unique specification. I tend to agree that despite the effective lens speed the lower light situations (where it is obviously ideal and applicable) are offset with the lower utility value of less competent AF in those conditions.
 

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