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Maybe it is not the first post and will not the last but mirrorless Imposed itself on all.rumors today nearest to be facts tomorrow that canon on its way to join the ff mirrorless camera club also Panasonic. The cake is big and video is where these companies seeing the future. Sony has 7s fujifilm has XH canon will do the same thing and Nikon will bring its video version. I will not ask pentax to follow them but again does pentax seeing what all these companies doesn't .I like pentax even it backed to film era.

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I'm okay with Pentax not joining Mirrorless Mania. Given that Pentax has struggled to keep up with AF standards in DSLR's, and has not even bothered to stay current with video, I don't see how in the world they could compete in the mirrorless world. Perhaps they can solidify themselves in a DSLR niche for people who prefer balanced lens/camera body combinations that are ergonomically pleasing. Or, maybe they will disappear into the realm of pleasant memories.
 
 
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If Pentax keep releasing updates that allow me to take more and better pictures with my lenses, I don't care how they do it.
 
tbh, I dont think Pentax will die, the lens roadmap is pretty much an indication..In fact, they should continue developing for the vacuum of pro and prosumer mirrored gear, Im thinking sports, weather challenging , where speed and weather proofing is required. The future ring motor lens should support this..
 
It is kind of curious that manufacturers are going FF mirrorless with new mounts. Why bother with 36mmx24mm? It is just another size. New mounts simply mean that older FF lenses need an adapter.

For me APS (24x16) is fine. I can see the benefits of a smaller size, say 18x12. But what about intermediate 30x20? Starting from scratch these latter two sensor sizes would work for me.

Stuck with what we got I guess.

Doug
 
DougOB said:
It is kind of curious that manufacturers are going FF mirrorless with new mounts. Why bother with 36mmx24mm? It is just another size. New mounts simply mean that older FF lenses need an adapter.

For me APS (24x16) is fine. I can see the benefits of a smaller size, say 18x12. But what about intermediate 30x20? Starting from scratch these latter two sensor sizes would work for me.

Stuck with what we got I guess.

Doug
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Dough,

You know that mirrorless cameras (FF or any with reduced size sensor) need at first a mount with shorter flange focal distance. OK., not that they need it, but such shorter flange distance allows to make the cameras (and lenses) smaller. So, basically the bayonet itself could be taken over from the original SLR mount. So, Nikon could make their latest cameras with the F mount, but as you can see, this new mount has larger diameter, which will allow to make lenses with the wider diameter (of the nearest element to the sensor), thus improve the fringing caused by a non-perpendicular image projection on the sensor.

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flektogon said:
DougOB said:
It is kind of curious that manufacturers are going FF mirrorless with new mounts. Why bother with 36mmx24mm? It is just another size. New mounts simply mean that older FF lenses need an adapter.

For me APS (24x16) is fine. I can see the benefits of a smaller size, say 18x12. But what about intermediate 30x20? Starting from scratch these latter two sensor sizes would work for me.

Stuck with what we got I guess.

Doug
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Dough,

You know that mirrorless cameras (FF or any with reduced size sensor) need at first a mount with shorter flange focal distance. OK., not that they need it, but such shorter flange distance allows to make the cameras (and lenses) smaller. So, basically the bayonet itself could be taken over from the original SLR mount. So, Nikon could make their latest cameras with the F mount, but as you can see, this new mount has larger diameter, which will allow to make lenses with the wider diameter (of the nearest element to the sensor), thus improve the fringing caused by a non-perpendicular image projection on the sensor.
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Peter,

Yup, got that.

My comment was more that when companies like Nikon go into a new system they still hang onto the past more than they need to. For example a mirrorless 30x20 system would still be compatible with FF lenses (with adapter) and many APS lenses (with adapter) but allow for smaller size than a full FF system.

In a sense FT (4/3rd) and MFT took this approach with a fresh start, I am just not convinced that they got it right.

Doug
 
DougOB said:
It is kind of curious that manufacturers are going FF mirrorless with new mounts. Why bother with 36mmx24mm? It is just another size. New mounts simply mean that older FF lenses need an adapter.
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IMHO probably just an inertia sort of thing.

There is so much marketing and familiarity behind 36mm x 24mm that it makes sense from a business / marketing perspective to tie into that existing inertia.

That and the existing availability of 36mm x 24mm sensors.

The other benefit I can see on going with new mounts is that the companies can set themselves up for the next century of business.

They get to start with a clean slate, add what they wanted to have with their existing mounts (such as distance information) and remove what they don't want anymore (mechanical linkages).

DougOB said:
For me APS (24x16) is fine. I can see the benefits of a smaller size, say 18x12. But what about intermediate 30x20? Starting from scratch these latter two sensor sizes would work for me.

Stuck with what we got I guess.
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Not that that is a bad thing! :) LOL.

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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DougOB said:
Doug
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DougOB said:
It is kind of curious that manufacturers are going FF mirrorless with new mounts. Why bother with 36mmx24mm? It is just another size.
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There are lots of lenses around designed with an image circle for that size.
DougOB said:
New mounts simply mean that older FF lenses need an adapter.
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One adpater per camera is cheaper than entirely new lenses!
DougOB said:
For me APS (24x16) is fine.
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I was considering moving up to 645 from APS-C, to get the extra quality (etc) I wanted. I abandoned that idea when the K-1 was announced.

FF it just right for the highest image quality I want. APS-C may still have its uses for me in future. 645 appears to be too expensive.
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I can see the benefits of a smaller size, say 18x12. But what about intermediate 30x20? Starting from scratch these latter two sensor sizes would work for me.
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But we are not starting from scratch.

(And why 30x20 instead of, say 28x18, or 32x22? It would be just another somewhat arbitrary size).
 
DougOB said:
In a sense FT (4/3rd) and MFT took this approach with a fresh start, I am just not convinced that they got it right.
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There is a rumour that Panasonic will soon announce an FF camera.
The day before Photokina.

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panaso...rst-full-frame-system-camera-on-september-25/

I'm detecting a pattern of major manufacturers, (Nikon, Canon, Sony, Panasonic), moving towards mirrorless FF.

They intend to make the technology work well, and presumably they intend to establish a significant "Mirrorless FF" climate.
 
codecxbox said:
tbh, I dont think Pentax will die, the lens roadmap is pretty much an indication..In fact, they should continue developing for the vacuum of pro and prosumer mirrored gear, Im thinking sports, weather challenging , where speed and weather proofing is required. The future ring motor lens should support this..
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It will be interesting to see whether all these mirrorless FF cameras, (Sony, Nikon, Canon, perhaps Panasonic), can handle sports better than Pentax cameras, and whether they have caught up with Pentax weather proofing.

I used to see lots of users of other makes having to cover up their cameras and lenses, while I didn't. Nowadays, I don't see this as much, and I think some of their cameras are weather resistant. Is this the case?

If they can handle sports better than Pentax, and are also weather resistant, then it isn't clear to me why anyone would want heavier mirrored cameras in future.

(IBIS? Pixel Shift? What else?)
 
While Nikon Z7 is already sold-out.. Pentax K1II is struggling to find customers.

That is what worries me..
 
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Maybe it is not the first post and will not the last but mirrorless Imposed itself on all.rumors today nearest to be facts tomorrow that canon on its way to join the ff mirrorless camera club also Panasonic. The cake is big and video is where these companies seeing the future. Sony has 7s fujifilm has XH canon will do the same thing and Nikon will bring its video version. I will not ask pentax to follow them but again does pentax seeing what all these companies doesn't .I like pentax even it backed to
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I am doubtful regarding Panasonic.
 
zakaria said:
xmeda said:
While Nikon Z7 is already sold-out.. Pentax K1II is struggling to find customers.

That is what worries me..
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Don't worry I bought one last week!
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@xmedia - how do you know Pentax is struggling? They might be. But, I wonder from where you got the facts?
 
Roland Karlsson said:
zakaria said:
Ok

Maybe it is not the first post and will not the last but mirrorless Imposed itself on all.rumors today nearest to be facts tomorrow that canon on its way to join the ff mirrorless camera club also Panasonic. The cake is big and video is where these companies seeing the future. Sony has 7s fujifilm has XH canon will do the same thing and Nikon will bring its video version. I will not ask pentax to follow them but again does pentax seeing what all these companies doesn't .I like pentax even it backed to
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I am doubtful regarding Panasonic.
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It doesn't make as much sense as Canon and Nikon FF mirrorless, because Canon and Nikon have lots of FF lenses that can be fitted via an adapter. I don't think Panasonic do?

But there is a rumour and discussions in various places! There is even debate about whether it will use the Leica SL mount. But the price of Leica SL lenses is mind-boggling!

The rumour is that it will be announced on 25th, the day before Photokina. I won't be holding my breath!
 
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