Fuji's design philosophy vs Nikon

ikaika777 said:

jjz2 said:

If I wasn't using Fuji now I'd gravitate towards maybe Olympus. If I had the $ to burn I'd be shooting Leica. Not really interested in Canikon stuff anymore.

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What, you don’t love the ugly melted plastic look of Canikon’s?

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twamers said:

ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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Looks like you upset the Nikon clan. It’s funny, they tell you what you’re thinking is your opinion but in the same breath tell you the D850 is the best camera as if it’s the gospel truth. The hypocrisy is mind boggling. And what ever happened to, “The Best camera is the one you have with you””?

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No hypocrisy at all. As a dual nikon and fuji shooter l just gave my opinion. This is a forum and it's where people give opinions like l did.

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alexzn said:

So muck keyboard diarrhea for nothing. Nikon SLRs are sought out not because they win a beauty contest but because they deliver great results in the right hands. The existing lens lineup is deep, AF and metering are great, the ergonomics is top notch and flashes, lens rentals and repair are widely available. Fuji system does not provide half of that list and most of all it is not full frame. So you rant is largely meaningless.

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Yeah no kidding BIG time diarrhea Bro tell me something new, I already know what Nikon is for and I already have one and I too know Fuji's limitations hahaha.

The point is that I "thought" that from all that hype about the release of this new "amazing" D850 that so many people are talking about that everyone is buying because "there aren't any available anywhere or is hard to get" and referring to it as "the best DSLR ever" is a bunch of nonsense. That's all it was just a hype. No camera store has this camera for display, apparently only best buy does, and yesterday was the fist time I held it on my hands and played with it. I'll repeat it again, I saw nothing special about it and yes I sure was expecting a more "fine" camera in some aspects, IMHO, I thought Nikon put cheaper parts in it. Is kind of hard to explain.

Batdude said:

The Z system is a big news precisely because it is what Fuji is not, a forward looking full frame camera system from a major camera brand. They are competing for the professional imaging market and until Canon enters (and now they will) their only competition is Sony Alpha system.

I'm always amused by the provincial complex of Fuji owners. Fuji is a beautiful and we'll designed amateur system, live with it, enjoy it and stop trying to pretend that ty he rest of the world just needs to wake up to your gospel. It would not and should not.

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I'm glad you were at least amused ;-)

Batdude said:

I have an XP1 with a whole bunch of lenses, an X100F and zero Nikon gear, so I don't think I'm out to validate my purchasing decisions.

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alexzn said:

Batdude said:

alexzn said:

So muck keyboard diarrhea for nothing. Nikon SLRs are sought out not because they win a beauty contest but because they deliver great results in the right hands. The existing lens lineup is deep, AF and metering are great, the ergonomics is top notch and flashes, lens rentals and repair are widely available. Fuji system does not provide half of that list and most of all it is not full frame. So you rant is largely meaningless.

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Yeah no kidding BIG time diarrhea Bro tell me something new, I already know what Nikon is for and I already have one and I too know Fuji's limitations hahaha.

The point is that I "thought" that from all that hype about the release of this new "amazing" D850 that so many people are talking about that everyone is buying because "there aren't any available anywhere or is hard to get" and referring to it as "the best DSLR ever" is a bunch of nonsense. That's all it was just a hype. No camera store has this camera for display, apparently only best buy does, and yesterday was the fist time I held it on my hands and played with it. I'll repeat it again, I saw nothing special about it and yes I sure was expecting a more "fine" camera in some aspects, IMHO, I thought Nikon put cheaper parts in it. Is kind of hard to explain.

alexzn said:

The Z system is a big news precisely because it is what Fuji is not, a forward looking full frame camera system from a major camera brand. They are competing for the professional imaging market and until Canon enters (and now they will) their only competition is Sony Alpha system.

I'm always amused by the provincial complex of Fuji owners. Fuji is a beautiful and we'll designed amateur system, live with it, enjoy it and stop trying to pretend that ty he rest of the world just needs to wake up to your gospel. It would not and should not.

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I'm glad you were at least amused ;-)

alexzn said:

I have an XP1 with a whole bunch of lenses, an X100F and zero Nikon gear, so I don't think I'm out to validate my purchasing decisions.

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OK, lemme tell you something. So you think that D850 is poorly designed and made with cheap parts. And you had trouble finding the camera because it is sold out just about everywhere. So either the photographic public does not have a clue about what a good camera is and is only driven by hype, or you are talking out of your a$$. My bet is on the latter. My bet is also that D850 is sold out because it delivers results better that a lot of other camera systems, and is supported by a vast and excellent Nikon ecosystem. My bet is also that people who need D850 need results, and do not have time to navel-gaze at their camera builds, designs, and they certainly do not buy their cameras at Best Buy. I suggest you try to find a Leica M camera in a store, and tell us about the build quality flaws you found. Good luck. As I said, I am a Fuji shooter, so hardly a Nikon fanboy.

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nonicks said:

alexzn said:

Batdude said:

alexzn said:

So muck keyboard diarrhea for nothing. Nikon SLRs are sought out not because they win a beauty contest but because they deliver great results in the right hands. The existing lens lineup is deep, AF and metering are great, the ergonomics is top notch and flashes, lens rentals and repair are widely available. Fuji system does not provide half of that list and most of all it is not full frame. So you rant is largely meaningless.

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Yeah no kidding BIG time diarrhea Bro tell me something new, I already know what Nikon is for and I already have one and I too know Fuji's limitations hahaha.

The point is that I "thought" that from all that hype about the release of this new "amazing" D850 that so many people are talking about that everyone is buying because "there aren't any available anywhere or is hard to get" and referring to it as "the best DSLR ever" is a bunch of nonsense. That's all it was just a hype. No camera store has this camera for display, apparently only best buy does, and yesterday was the fist time I held it on my hands and played with it. I'll repeat it again, I saw nothing special about it and yes I sure was expecting a more "fine" camera in some aspects, IMHO, I thought Nikon put cheaper parts in it. Is kind of hard to explain.

nonicks said:

The Z system is a big news precisely because it is what Fuji is not, a forward looking full frame camera system from a major camera brand. They are competing for the professional imaging market and until Canon enters (and now they will) their only competition is Sony Alpha system.

I'm always amused by the provincial complex of Fuji owners. Fuji is a beautiful and we'll designed amateur system, live with it, enjoy it and stop trying to pretend that ty he rest of the world just needs to wake up to your gospel. It would not and should not.

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I'm glad you were at least amused ;-)

nonicks said:

I have an XP1 with a whole bunch of lenses, an X100F and zero Nikon gear, so I don't think I'm out to validate my purchasing decisions.

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OK, lemme tell you something. So you think that D850 is poorly designed and made with cheap parts. And you had trouble finding the camera because it is sold out just about everywhere. So either the photographic public does not have a clue about what a good camera is and is only driven by hype, or you are talking out of your a$$. My bet is on the latter. My bet is also that D850 is sold out because it delivers results better that a lot of other camera systems, and is supported by a vast and excellent Nikon ecosystem. My bet is also that people who need D850 need results, and do not have time to navel-gaze at their camera builds, designs, and they certainly do not buy their cameras at Best Buy. I suggest you try to find a Leica M camera in a store, and tell us about the build quality flaws you found. Good luck. As I said, I am a Fuji shooter, so hardly a Nikon fanboy.

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Well said... And I am a Fuji owner who loves my Fuji cameras and lenses too.

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ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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ikaika777 said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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dmaclau said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

DarnGoodPhotos said:

dmaclau said:

Now jumping to the new Z cameras Nikon still does the exact same things to it's customers and cripples several features that are very important to photographers.

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Fuji is notoriously bad about not giving the X100 series much int he way of kaizen updates, they are crippled when compared to the ILC bodies. For example, even the X-E2 received the 4.0 AF upgrade with tracking, but the X100S didn't. Fuji has no plan to give the X100F the new AF upgrade. Fuji is good about updates, but they are not beyond reproach.

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I 100% agree. It’s like Fuji doesn’t care about the X100 series once it’s out and that’s a shame. I love my X100F but I’m not sure I would buy another X100 series camera because of Fuji’s blatant neglect.

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I'm honestly not too familiar with the X100 series. Sorry to hear that.

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Really? I'm surprised. I had the original X100 and Fuji updated it I think 3 times? Each one was an unexpected joy and was like getting a new camera. They stopped doing this?

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alexzn said:

Batdude said:

alexzn said:

So muck keyboard diarrhea for nothing. Nikon SLRs are sought out not because they win a beauty contest but because they deliver great results in the right hands. The existing lens lineup is deep, AF and metering are great, the ergonomics is top notch and flashes, lens rentals and repair are widely available. Fuji system does not provide half of that list and most of all it is not full frame. So you rant is largely meaningless.

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Yeah no kidding BIG time diarrhea Bro tell me something new, I already know what Nikon is for and I already have one and I too know Fuji's limitations hahaha.

The point is that I "thought" that from all that hype about the release of this new "amazing" D850 that so many people are talking about that everyone is buying because "there aren't any available anywhere or is hard to get" and referring to it as "the best DSLR ever" is a bunch of nonsense. That's all it was just a hype. No camera store has this camera for display, apparently only best buy does, and yesterday was the fist time I held it on my hands and played with it. I'll repeat it again, I saw nothing special about it and yes I sure was expecting a more "fine" camera in some aspects, IMHO, I thought Nikon put cheaper parts in it. Is kind of hard to explain.

alexzn said:

The Z system is a big news precisely because it is what Fuji is not, a forward looking full frame camera system from a major camera brand. They are competing for the professional imaging market and until Canon enters (and now they will) their only competition is Sony Alpha system.

I'm always amused by the provincial complex of Fuji owners. Fuji is a beautiful and we'll designed amateur system, live with it, enjoy it and stop trying to pretend that ty he rest of the world just needs to wake up to your gospel. It would not and should not.

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I'm glad you were at least amused ;-)

alexzn said:

I have an XP1 with a whole bunch of lenses, an X100F and zero Nikon gear, so I don't think I'm out to validate my purchasing decisions.

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OK, lemme tell you something. So you think that D850 is poorly designed and made with cheap parts. And you had trouble finding the camera because it is sold out just about everywhere. So either the photographic public does not have a clue about what a good camera is and is only driven by hype, or you are talking out of your a$$. My bet is on the latter. My bet is also that D850 is sold out because it delivers results better that a lot of other camera systems, and is supported by a vast and excellent Nikon ecosystem. My bet is also that people who need D850 need results, and do not have time to navel-gaze at their camera builds, designs, and they certainly do not buy their cameras at Best Buy. I suggest you try to find a Leica M camera in a store, and tell us about the build quality flaws you found. Good luck. As I said, I am a Fuji shooter, so hardly a Nikon fanboy.

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Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

Batdude said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

ikaika777 said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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That’s one heck of a rounding up.

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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ikaika777 said:

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After all is said and done and your photo is hanging on the wall, no one is going to know or care what camera, lens, or what post processing you used. All they care about is if the image moves them.

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Sal Baker said:

ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

Sal Baker said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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That’s one heck of a rounding up.

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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unfortunately you will be paying online sales tax soon. We already do in Massachusetts.

Sal

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ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

ikaika777 said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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That’s one heck of a rounding up.

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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Ajaykdelhi said:

ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

Ajaykdelhi said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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That’s one heck of a rounding up.

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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When I order from Amazon they charge shipping and taxes, I am also a prime member. Why this preferential treatment to you? I think will write to them ...

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ikaika777 said:

Ajaykdelhi said:

ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

ikaika777 said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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That’s one heck of a rounding up.

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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When I order from Amazon they charge shipping and taxes, I am also a prime member. Why this preferential treatment to you? I think will write to them ...

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You live outside the U.S.?

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Ajaykdelhi said:

ikaika777 said:

Ajaykdelhi said:

ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

Ajaykdelhi said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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That’s one heck of a rounding up.

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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When I order from Amazon they charge shipping and taxes, I am also a prime member. Why this preferential treatment to you? I think will write to them ...

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You live outside the U.S.?

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Yes

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ikaika777 said:

Ajaykdelhi said:

ikaika777 said:

Ajaykdelhi said:

ikaika777 said:

Batdude said:

ikaika777 said:

Canadianguy said:

Batdude said:

twamers said:

Honestly you seem to swing one way and then the other with different cameras/brands. So much so that I can't take anything you say seriously about any of them. And really if Nikon is causing you such grief just get over it, walk away, use another brand. Then likely you'll be happier and Nikon won't fail without you. You can be critical of the best camera in the world (D850) all you like but its not going to change anything.

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Not swinging one way than the other and I have a D4 with XH1 and shooting happily with it so far. I need two more bodies and that's why I went to take a look at the D850 so I said what I think about it so I'm not asking you to take any of this "seriously" this is just my personal opinion and that's all it is.

I'm not walking away from anything I just don't feel the D850 is worth over $3K and no I don't like the way Nikon sees their customers. I have felt that way for many years and they still don't change.

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You still haven't told us what you think Fuji's design philosophy is or what Nikon's design philosophy is?

Personally - I have both Fuji and Nikon and I don't like how Fuji is trying to move their prices up - I personally feel that the X-H1 is not worth $1899 USD.

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Okay you sure got me there partner when it comes to Fuji's pricing on APS-C

Originally I was mainly talking about the physical camera designs between these two particular camera manufacturers, more specifically certain aspects of the D850 and XH1.

ikaika777 said:

Huh? You can get a brand new X-H1 for $1649 USD on Amazon, Adorama, and B&H Photo.

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Maybe Canadianguy is rounding it up, the price for the XH1 with a SD card plus tax is about $1899

Having said that, I personally try not to ever pay for full price and I look for sales, like no sales tax and free shipping. That makes a difference. But yeah the X-H1 for being APS-C ain't cheap these days. FF is coming out in full force from more camera manufacturers and if Fuji doesn't lower their prices a bit then something is definitely wrong. Just my opinion

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That’s one heck of a rounding up.

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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When I order from Amazon they charge shipping and taxes, I am also a prime member. Why this preferential treatment to you? I think will write to them ...

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You live outside the U.S.?

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Yes

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That’s why.

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ikaika777 said:

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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Len-O said:

ikaika777 said:

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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For Amazon the issue of sales tax depends on a number of things starting with the state you live in and the State & local sales tax rates there. Also if Amazon has a physical presence in your state they are obliged to charge all State and local taxes. So I can only assume that Amazon does not have a physical presence in your state.

I live in California, and even with Amazon Prime I am charged sales tax on most of the purchases I make through them. My large ticket photography hardware, and other stuff, I buy from B&H, and Adorama online for now neither of those stores charge me for my online purchases, and they always pick up 48 State shipping charges.

I have a feeling those days of B&H, and Adorama purchases free of State tax charges are numbered.

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Len-O said:

ikaika777 said:

I don’t pay sales tax when I order from Amazon or Adorama and I’m already a prime member of Amazon but that works for me as I mostly buy online.

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For Amazon the issue of sales tax depends on a number of things starting with the state you live in and the State & local sales tax rates there. Also if Amazon has a physical presence in your state they are obliged to charge all State and local taxes. So I can only assume that Amazon does not have a physical presence in your state.

I live in California, and even with Amazon Prime I am charged sales tax on most of the purchases I make through them. My large ticket photography hardware, and other stuff, I buy from B&H, and Adorama online for now neither of those stores charge me for my online purchases, and they always pick up 48 State shipping charges.

I have a feeling those days of B&H, and Adorama purchases free of State tax charges are numbered.

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Batdude said:

Where do I start? Mmmm well, for the very first time after many months of trying to find a Nikon D850 to at least just look at it to see what the fuzz is all about, today I finally had the chance to stop by a best buy (can you believe this?) and there they have a D850 on display. Other more "professional" camera retailers around my area don't even have one for display for people to take a look at it.

To make it really short, I am really disappointed and upset at Nikon right now. That "amazing bad a*s" D850 doesn't feel like a "bad a*s" camera at all. I saw and felt NOTHING exciting about it. Yes the sensor in it might be really awesome but the camera's body itself felt just like any other old boring DSLR. The OVF? Absolutely nothing special about it. The shutter sound is loud! It is a bit less louder than my D4 but it is not quiet at all. Even in QL/QH it makes noise and that is really annoying when shooting in weddings and plays and things like that. The D850 does not have IBIS and for what they are charging IMHO I feel is a ripoff.

Now jumping to the new Z cameras Nikon still does the exact same things to it's customers and cripples several features that are very important to photographers. Can't comment on these new body designs because I haven't held one and I've only seen them in pictures and they look great, but when it comes to features Nikon is notorious for crippling their product and that really sucks. I thought Nikon was going to change with new generation of cameras with a new philosophy to increase and please it's customers, but I was totally wrong. And no I'm not going to post this in the Nikon forum because I WILL get banned for saying this there.

Now let's talk about Fuji "philosophy" towards their products and customers. Fuji is much better for sure. The funny thing is that only a few seconds after I played with the D850 I felt a big difference in how different the X-H1 feels on one's hand. At least my hands. The funny part is that although my X-H1 is a much more smaller "rinky dinky" camera it actually feels so much better when shooting with it and at the same time it feels like a "mini tank" and does not feel cheap. The joystick on the D850 felt rough and was not smooth IMHO while the XH1 although the joystick is much more tiny for some strange reason the XH1 joystick is much nicer and more responsive than the D850 and I thought that was very interesting.

Fuji provides TWO SD cards, and that is awesome because I don't want ridiculous expensive XQD cards that I simply cannot afford. SD cards rock and they are super affordable and I hope Fuji does not change that. As long as I get at least one SD card slot I'm cool with that. I hope that Fuji doesn't get corrupt and hope they stay the way they are now improving and providing really cool stuff to their customers for the best possible experience. For that I do give Fuji lot's of credit. Sony is another company that seems to want to thrive when it comes to innovation and features and IMHO they too don't held back their technology and that I can appreciate. Sony does have some things to improve on, no doubt, but I think they will get there a lot faster than Nikon and I think Sony will stay ahead of Nikon for quite a while. Not listening and considering what the customer wants is just not good business.

At this point I'm not spending another penny on Nikon and I give them two thumbs down.

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