Rumors are there will be a Canon FF mirrorless announcement next week

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Jumpin jeeezers Jim Jam!
I think you need some engineering lessons:


A throat diameter of 46-47mm is suboptimal for freedom of design with FF lenses. It is true to say that Nikon Optical engineers decided on a FF mirrorless mount unrestricted by APS-C origins.

Consequently Nikon has a problem in reverse. If they want an APS-C sensor in the Z mount it will be too large.
I think you need some engineering lessons.

The Z-mount is not "too large" for APS-C sensors. APS-C in a Z-mount will work just fine, with plenty of room for IBIS, and large barrel diameter to prevent vignetting; and Nikon can actually make smaller DX "Z" mirrorless cameras than DX "F" DSLRs.

Several mounts have high image-circle to mount diameters. For example, Nikon's own Nikon-1 mount had a 40mm diameter, while the image-circle/sensor diameter was less than 16mm. I don't remember people complaining about it being too big for its sensor size.

55mm is not a particularly large size. Most mobile phones today are roughly 70mm wide. In theory, Nikon could make a Z-mount camera of any sensor size below FF, that is smaller (though thicker) than your mobile phone.
I don't really give a damn about APS-C. That was just a passing comment. I still hold by my original assertion that Nikon will be the only company with a mount specifically and optimally designed for FF mirrorless, if Canon adopt the EF-M mount for FF.
If you don't care about APS-C, then you shouldn't have responded to a comment about APS-C.

I do care about crop formats because they are a cost effective way to drastically increase reach & speed. If I want to take a detailed picture of the moon, for example, I can either use a 500mm lens on a Nikon D850 and crop to fill the frame; or I can use that same 500mm lens on a Nikon 1 J5, which has 3x the resolution of the D850. If the silicon used for the J5 was cut to a full-frame sensor, it would be 150MP.

Sensor cropping with higher pixel density is the modern response to teleconverters.
The OP raised a question about what mount Canon might use for its new FF mirrorless (if in fact they do anyhting :-). I'm suggesting they might use the EF-M mount which they introduced for APS-C mirrorless. If they do that then its my assertion that Nikon will then be the only camera maker with a mount specifically designed for FF mirrorless. I'm not really saying anything else.

So what Sony and Canon have done, both of them, is design a mount that suits APS-C, and then shoehorn a FF sensor in later which just fits. I'm sure they had plans along those lines in the early design stages, but nonetheless that's the order they did it. Nikon have come at the new mount design in the reverse direction, favouring a design that specifically suited FF.

It's also possible that Canon could use the DSLR EF mount dimensions (54mm diameter) and shorten the flange distance to 16mm like Nikon. Unlikely but. Let's wait and see
As Canon already has a mirrorless mount that will work with FF it's my guess they might just use that.

I wonder if they might surprise us all by sticking with the regular EF DSLR mount along with the 44mm flange distance. That way their whole line of pro DSLR lenses will work. They can produce new lenses that extend into the body if they wanted.

With full frame and 1.4 lenses the body needs to be large enough and needs enough space between the grip and the lens for fingers to be comfortable.

I think most full frame users have gotten used to the idea that FF mirrorless is not really allowing for smaller lenses so maybe a 6D sized mirrorless body that uses the full range of FF Canon DSLR lenses without an adapter may be a good idea.

Canon will still outsell everyone else and Canon FF DSLR users will be happy they can use their old lenses still.
 
I was just reading something today about a rumor that the Canon will have one mount, but it'll work with the EF lenses and also the new R versions (or whatever they call them). If that's true, buyers would be able to use all EF lenses on day one without an adapter. That'd be a nice selling point.

However, I also read the camera might only have one card, and it's not high MP, only 28 or something. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. Competition is good because we (the consumers) win =)
 
I was just reading something today about a rumor that the Canon will have one mount, but it'll work with the EF lenses and also the new R versions (or whatever they call them). If that's true, buyers would be able to use all EF lenses on day one without an adapter. That'd be a nice selling point.

However, I also read the camera might only have one card, and it's not high MP, only 28 or something. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. Competition is good because we (the consumers) win =)
I could use my manual focus Nikkors on a Canon DSLR so if the mirrorless would keep the 44mm flange I could use them on that too with a small adapter.

I would not mind using a Canon. I liked the old EOS film bodies and Canon has plenty of decent cheap used DSLR lenses too.
 
It appperas to be very good
 
Anyone know if Vegas is taking bets on number of card slots? I know where my money would go.
 
I was just reading something today about a rumor that the Canon will have one mount, but it'll work with the EF lenses and also the new R versions (or whatever they call them). If that's true, buyers would be able to use all EF lenses on day one without an adapter. That'd be a nice selling point.

However, I also read the camera might only have one card, and it's not high MP, only 28 or something. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. Competition is good because we (the consumers) win =)
I could use my manual focus Nikkors on a Canon DSLR so if the mirrorless would keep the 44mm flange I could use them on that too with a small adapter.

I would not mind using a Canon. I liked the old EOS film bodies and Canon has plenty of decent cheap used DSLR lenses too.
I guess I will wait and see. I've only had Canon P&S cameras, but I don't have anything against them. If they release a knockout ML camera, I'd consider it. I have until Oct. to return my D850. I want high-res, though, and it doesn't sound like they'll be offering one right away.
 
Jumpin jeeezers Jim Jam!
I think you need some engineering lessons:


A throat diameter of 46-47mm is suboptimal for freedom of design with FF lenses. It is true to say that Nikon Optical engineers decided on a FF mirrorless mount unrestricted by APS-C origins.

Consequently Nikon has a problem in reverse. If they want an APS-C sensor in the Z mount it will be too large.
I think you need some engineering lessons.

The Z-mount is not "too large" for APS-C sensors. APS-C in a Z-mount will work just fine, with plenty of room for IBIS, and large barrel diameter to prevent vignetting; and Nikon can actually make smaller DX "Z" mirrorless cameras than DX "F" DSLRs.

Several mounts have high image-circle to mount diameters. For example, Nikon's own Nikon-1 mount had a 40mm diameter, while the image-circle/sensor diameter was less than 16mm. I don't remember people complaining about it being too big for its sensor size.

55mm is not a particularly large size. Most mobile phones today are roughly 70mm wide. In theory, Nikon could make a Z-mount camera of any sensor size below FF, that is smaller (though thicker) than your mobile phone.
I don't really give a damn about APS-C. That was just a passing comment. I still hold by my original assertion that Nikon will be the only company with a mount specifically and optimally designed for FF mirrorless, if Canon adopt the EF-M mount for FF.
If you don't care about APS-C, then you shouldn't have responded to a comment about APS-C.

I do care about crop formats because they are a cost effective way to drastically increase reach & speed. If I want to take a detailed picture of the moon, for example, I can either use a 500mm lens on a Nikon D850 and crop to fill the frame; or I can use that same 500mm lens on a Nikon 1 J5, which has 3x the resolution of the D850. If the silicon used for the J5 was cut to a full-frame sensor, it would be 150MP.

Sensor cropping with higher pixel density is the modern response to teleconverters.
The resolution difference is a square function so you can't divide the total # of pixels to get the answer. The actual resolution difference on a linear pixels per mm basis is 1.83x in favour of the J1. The absolute resolution difference if you fill the sensor with the same image on both cameras is in favour of the D850 by a factor of 1.48x
 
Anyone know if Vegas is taking bets on number of card slots? I know where my money would go.
Just like Nikon. They scratch each others back.

Hence, why Sony has been able to cause caused the ruckus it has and why Fuji rules APS-C.

Because the main two have been so absorbed in themselves that they neglected everyone else for a long while.
 
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Jumpin jeeezers Jim Jam!
I think you need some engineering lessons:


A throat diameter of 46-47mm is suboptimal for freedom of design with FF lenses. It is true to say that Nikon Optical engineers decided on a FF mirrorless mount unrestricted by APS-C origins.

Consequently Nikon has a problem in reverse. If they want an APS-C sensor in the Z mount it will be too large.
I think you need some engineering lessons.

The Z-mount is not "too large" for APS-C sensors. APS-C in a Z-mount will work just fine, with plenty of room for IBIS, and large barrel diameter to prevent vignetting; and Nikon can actually make smaller DX "Z" mirrorless cameras than DX "F" DSLRs.

Several mounts have high image-circle to mount diameters. For example, Nikon's own Nikon-1 mount had a 40mm diameter, while the image-circle/sensor diameter was less than 16mm. I don't remember people complaining about it being too big for its sensor size.

55mm is not a particularly large size. Most mobile phones today are roughly 70mm wide. In theory, Nikon could make a Z-mount camera of any sensor size below FF, that is smaller (though thicker) than your mobile phone.
I don't really give a damn about APS-C. That was just a passing comment. I still hold by my original assertion that Nikon will be the only company with a mount specifically and optimally designed for FF mirrorless, if Canon adopt the EF-M mount for FF.
If you don't care about APS-C, then you shouldn't have responded to a comment about APS-C.

I do care about crop formats because they are a cost effective way to drastically increase reach & speed. If I want to take a detailed picture of the moon, for example, I can either use a 500mm lens on a Nikon D850 and crop to fill the frame; or I can use that same 500mm lens on a Nikon 1 J5, which has 3x the resolution of the D850. If the silicon used for the J5 was cut to a full-frame sensor, it would be 150MP.

Sensor cropping with higher pixel density is the modern response to teleconverters.
The resolution difference is a square function so you can't divide the total # of pixels to get the answer. The actual resolution difference on a linear pixels per mm basis is 1.83x in favour of the J1. The absolute resolution difference if you fill the sensor with the same image on both cameras is in favour of the D850 by a factor of 1.48x
You're incorrectly assuming that I said "linear resolution," smarty.
 
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That doesn't look like a Z competitor
 
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Very interested to see if Canon will introduce a new mount.
So am I. They already have a large 54mm throat diameter. I wonder whether they will stick to the EF mount or use the EOS EF-M mount?

It will probably use the EF-M mount I guess. It has an 18 mm flange focal distance (compared to 44 mm for EF and EF-S) and a 47 mm throat diameter (compared to 54 mm for EF and EF-S). It is designed for use with an APS-C-sized image sensor, but I guess it could accommodate FF as it is already 1mm larger than the Sony FE mount which was also designed for APS-C.

If Canon use the EF-M mount that will leave Nikon as the only company to have a mirrorless FF mount specifically designed for FF optics.
Wow what a nonsensical comment. !!

So you are basically saying that Sony and Canon came with a next generation mount E and M for the next 20 years haphazardly ?! It never occurred to them that they could use these new mounts for FF sensors?! LOL so FF was like an after thought ?!

Jumpin jeeezers Jim Jam! why of why Sony and Canon designed a throat that is much larger than APS-C if it was made for it exclusively !!
Looks like it didn't occur to Canon to use that APSC mount for FF after all, :-) . The R mount is 54mm wide and 20mm flange. That leaves only poor old Sony with the crippled narrow APSC mount.
 
Very interested to see if Canon will introduce a new mount.
So am I. They already have a large 54mm throat diameter. I wonder whether they will stick to the EF mount or use the EOS EF-M mount?

It will probably use the EF-M mount I guess. It has an 18 mm flange focal distance (compared to 44 mm for EF and EF-S) and a 47 mm throat diameter (compared to 54 mm for EF and EF-S). It is designed for use with an APS-C-sized image sensor, but I guess it could accommodate FF as it is already 1mm larger than the Sony FE mount which was also designed for APS-C.

If Canon use the EF-M mount that will leave Nikon as the only company to have a mirrorless FF mount specifically designed for FF optics.
Wow what a nonsensical comment. !!

So you are basically saying that Sony and Canon came with a next generation mount E and M for the next 20 years haphazardly ?! It never occurred to them that they could use these new mounts for FF sensors?!
Yes, exactly that happened. It seems that Canon corrected its mistake with new much more appropriate R mount but Sony tricked it somehow and will have to bear the consequences.

The Z-mount and R-mount are much more suitable for FF than E-mount.
 
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Never mind, didn't see a front dial or control buttons. The front dial is on top.
 
That doesn't look like a Z competitor
Why?
I agree, why?

If anything it looks incredibly similar to the Z's, with the main advantage for Nikon being that they have two different models at different price points (unless Canon prices this one as low as the Z6).

Both cameras will have some advantages the other doesn't, but overall they look very comparable.
 
Very interested to see if Canon will introduce a new mount. I like the Canon approach of not making a big fuss.
Well, that's the benefit of being the biggest boy in town; everyone else will make a big fuss for you. Of course, comparing to the 5th grader marketing of Nikon, everyone seems like an adult.
 
I like the Canon approach of not making a big fuss.
Yeah, Canon is no-nonsense. They like to announce, ship a ton, then haul their money to the bank.
Of course when they announce, it is at a marketing event, and then they release all sorts of marketing videos, and put up marketing pages on their websites, put out marketing pieces on social media, send their Explorers of Light out to spread the message, etc.

They also run all sorts of other marketing campaigns, like video contests with Ron Howard judging, etc.

Now in my book, though, there is absolutely nothing wrong with marketing; it's part of business. Kudos to Canon for all of their marketing success and prowess.

Canon is a great company. But anyone who thinks they do not do marketing has not been paying attention.
 
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