ImageAmateur
Veteran Member
Duh. Maybe one more iteration of the D(x) line, then all ML.
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Nikon will release a pro model like the D5 in the Z-line: “Count on it!”
ImageAmateur
Veteran Member
To be fair, many current lenses way outperform their AF-D equivalents optically.
Maybe Nikon figures that it is time to move on and trade off the much older compatibility with newer optics.
Bear in mind that AFS lenses can be used fully. And they have been around for a long while.
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D6 yes, a ML version of a D6 at the same time, yes. Will the D6 be the last DSLR, depends on the D6 sales figures. If the D6 is the last, production will continue for 5 or 6 years.
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Leonard Shepherd
Forum Pro
You are now on my ignore list.
The link you refer to says Nikon took feedback, found the prime request was for a compact body, decided on size and went from there.
You are free to take a different view on what you think customers should have asked for - but they did not agree with you.
You are mistaken in saying Nikon "admits anything" ;-)
It is sad that you think Nikon bringing out a top Pro body, likely in time for the 2020 Olympics is synonymous with a launch of a different product being crippled :-(
Many love the D750 despite it being such a compact body that it has no 1/8000 shutter speed, no 1/250 flash sync, viewfinder cropping and the most compact screen coverage of any 51 point point AF Nikon body.
The D750 is not for me - but it is for many
The Z6 and 7 is right for many despite your resolute repeatedly repeated ignorant view that it is not right for anybody :-(
You have closed your mind to why Nikon, Canon and likely Sony bringing out top pro grade bodies for the next Olympics.
Maybe 2 years from now Nikon will have 4 ML bodies, one being top pro level and one DX.
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"It's not a bad move at all. Nikon hasn't discontinued DSLR cameras.No one is holding a gun to your head to buy a Z body. If the screw drive lenses are so precious to you then stick with a DSLR."
I don't think you get it. Really? For your info, Nikon WILL discontinue DSLR sooner or later. As soon as their Nikon's ML rival their pro level bodies, they will discontinue DSLRs. That's not too far in the future. They have already stated they will make pro level mirrorless bodies. That's were the market is going. It is only a matter of time. Look where Olympus went. No more DSLRs and only ML bodies.
"Oh... and maybe it's time to think about upgrading some of those screw drive lenses. They were made for film cameras and optical quality is probably not quite as good on digital."
Again you missed the point. Upgrading every single one of my D lenses will run at least $15,000 dollars or so. All of my "D" lenses work great on my D3s and D3. Specially at a constant f/2.8 and f/1.4. My point is Nikon could have put a focus motor in their adapter but didn't. It wouldn't have cost them much. Bad move. Keeps my from buying their Z bodies. And yes, I'll stick to D4, D5 until they are no longer available. If I ever have to re-buy lenses, I'm no longer in line for only NIkon gear because the moment I have to spend that much on new glass, nothing is stopping me from buyijng elsewhere. That's my point. I don't expect you to care, you're not nikon. But nikon should clearly understand that making a Z line to keep people from jumping ship to Sony, yet not providing full compatibility/support for older glass (which was a very strong selling point for nikon), is bad move.
I'm sure all your glass works in the Z line, but for those of us in my situation, it's not good for us, and also bad for nikon.
I don't think you get it. Really? For your info, Nikon WILL discontinue DSLR sooner or later. As soon as their Nikon's ML rival their pro level bodies, they will discontinue DSLRs. That's not too far in the future. They have already stated they will make pro level mirrorless bodies. That's were the market is going. It is only a matter of time. Look where Olympus went. No more DSLRs and only ML bodies.
"Oh... and maybe it's time to think about upgrading some of those screw drive lenses. They were made for film cameras and optical quality is probably not quite as good on digital."
Again you missed the point. Upgrading every single one of my D lenses will run at least $15,000 dollars or so. All of my "D" lenses work great on my D3s and D3. Specially at a constant f/2.8 and f/1.4. My point is Nikon could have put a focus motor in their adapter but didn't. It wouldn't have cost them much. Bad move. Keeps my from buying their Z bodies. And yes, I'll stick to D4, D5 until they are no longer available. If I ever have to re-buy lenses, I'm no longer in line for only NIkon gear because the moment I have to spend that much on new glass, nothing is stopping me from buyijng elsewhere. That's my point. I don't expect you to care, you're not nikon. But nikon should clearly understand that making a Z line to keep people from jumping ship to Sony, yet not providing full compatibility/support for older glass (which was a very strong selling point for nikon), is bad move.
I'm sure all your glass works in the Z line, but for those of us in my situation, it's not good for us, and also bad for nikon.
While I agree, it bothers me that it would have only cost nikon a few dollars to keep auto focus with these older lenses, but didn't.
Thoughts R Us
Senior Member
The actions of one pro do not exemplify the actions of all pro's. I never claimed that all pro's would use these bodies; that would not be realistic for any camera body. Also, that one pro...who knows how sincere he was? Pro's usually don't chase the latest gadgetry and don't like the cost of switching. So I have my doubts on the veracity that any so called "pro" makes regarding any switch.Not you again.
You have already been proven wrong.
But, logically speaking, all one has to do to prove you wrong is to have pro's using the camera, which will happen.
Leonard Shepherd
Forum Pro
Right or wrong, some pros use "amateur" cameras and some amateurs use "pro" cameras ;-)
One common trait of the pros I know is an almost phobic reaction to being forced to radically change workflow, like what you’d have moving from one brand to another. The ones I know aren’t generally gear enthusiasts, they are working professionals.The actions of one pro do not exemplify the actions of all pro's. I never claimed that all pro's would use these bodies; that would not be realistic for any camera body. Also, that one pro...who knows how sincere he was? Pro's usually don't chase the latest gadgetry and don't like the cost of switching. So I have my doubts on the veracity that any so called "pro" makes regarding any switch.Not you again.
You have already been proven wrong.
But, logically speaking, all one has to do to prove you wrong is to have pro's using the camera, which will happen.
Leonard Shepherd
Forum Pro
Why??????
These lens will work just as well on a Z body via the F adaptor as on a similar MP DSLR.
They might even deliver slightly higher IQ if the Z7 turns out to have slightly more resolution than the D850.
I’m referring to the screwdriver lenses being discussed in my post, and the post I quoted. You took the sentence out of context. Besides, what non-D DC lenses do you know about?
Maybe by 2030 the DSLRs will be all gone. Need a brand new F6 or FM10?
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For sure development priority will go to ML and to what follows FL, but today's DSRL bodies are pretty darn good. A man that is shooting long discontinued D screw driver lenses will at home with a D5/D850 or the next generation (there will be a next generation at minimum).
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David Bo
Guest
Based on Nikon's mirrorless technology seen on the Z6 and Z7, it is not possible. They simply don't have the technology to make a Mirrorless sports camera like SONY a9 in such a short time. They need at least 2 more years.No, far earlier since 2020 Olympic Games in Japan begin in June or July. My guess would be announced in September 2019 and on sale before January 1, 2020.
D5 is about $6,600 in USA, so for a mere $3,300 more (give or take) all of the "woe is me" single slot guys will be satisfied.
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Karl
Guest
A pro camera with a handful of lenses (and many of them non pro) for the next years? Don't tell me that you can adapt the old F-lenses. This is always a bad compromise and definitely not the way for pro photogs...
MrHollywood
Veteran Member
We get it. One day there will be no new DSLRs and yours will stop working and then no one will fix it.
I was just as annoyed when I tried to get Guardians of the Galaxy on Beta,
I don't care about your old glass. I don't care if Nikon doesn't care either. There comes a point where things become obsolete. Nikon isn't catering to you.
LOL. I have some old D glass. It will all work fine on my D850 for YEARS to come, if that matters. You have NO point.
Rob, we’re not talking support for ancient lenses here - Nikon is still selling quite a few screwdriver AF lenses. It won’t stop me from buying a Z, but I don’t have a gazillion bucks worth of current production lenses that are partially obsoleted, either.
MrHollywood
Veteran Member
My 200-500 VR is not fully functional on my wife's D90.
Times are moving on. It's neither practical nor reasonable to expect Nikon to support old designs forever.
That said, I can use EVERY lens to good effect. A D850 is a NEW camera and it has you covered. I see no problem at all as that will STILL be a solid camera 10 years from now.
Rob
Leonard Shepherd
Forum Pro
Far fewer have many AF or AF-D lenses than have many AF-S lenses - and now every lens has a VR equivalent.
If you, or anybody else, feels +VR -AF on older lenses is a big issue then the solution is simple - do not buy the camera - and while you are at it - lock yourself out of access to Z mount lenses which Nikon are reasonably saying have better IQ than comparable Zeiss lenses.
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