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Interesting comparo just in terms of size/weight



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Will the rumored GFX50R make the GFX line even more enticing as a street/landscape camera?

Cheers, ;-)
 
I don't get why that 50mm f1.8 lens has to be that big. It's not fast and there is no stabilization.
 
Interesting comparo just in terms of size/weight

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Will the rumored GFX50R make the GFX line even more enticing as a street/landscape camera?
No finder on the Fuji...
We aren't seriously comparing these cameras are we? I'm new to this camera thing but can't see many people cross shopping these two models.
 
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it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
 
it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
 
it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
There is nothing wrong with the 63. It's just not as spectacular as the 110/2, the 120/4, the 23/4, and the 32-64. The way the lens moves during focusing is annoying to some.

Jim
 
Interesting comparo just in terms of size/weight

2f0b67f3089c4332aa0528b07fcd2954.jpg.png

Will the rumored GFX50R make the GFX line even more enticing as a street/landscape camera?
No finder on the Fuji...
We aren't seriously comparing these cameras are we? I'm new to this camera thing but can't see many people cross shopping these two models.
Well, lots of folks came to MF from FF. But, I do not see that many folks flowing the other way.

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Once you've done fifty, anything less is iffy.
 
I don't get why that 50mm f1.8 lens has to be that big. It's not fast and there is no stabilization.
Nikon claims near zero aberrations wide open. "Near zero aberrations wide open" is Otus territory. The mount is 44x33 in diameter which Nikon claims provides more light. Might be some good reasons for it.
 
it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
It's like comparing a 51 carat diamond to a 50. The fifty is worse right? ;-)
 
I don't get why that 50mm f1.8 lens has to be that big. It's not fast and there is no stabilization.
Nikon claims near zero aberrations wide open. "Near zero aberrations wide open" is Otus territory.
And a meaningless statement.
How so? Aren't you a scientist with some bit of curiosity?
The mount is 44x33 in diameter which Nikon claims provides more light. Might be some good reasons for it.
 
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I don't get why that 50mm f1.8 lens has to be that big. It's not fast and there is no stabilization.
Nikon claims near zero aberrations wide open. "Near zero aberrations wide open" is Otus territory.
And a meaningless statement.
How so? Aren't you a scientist with some bit of curiosity?
Sure. What does near zero mean in this context? Nothing, as far as I can tell.
The mount is 44x33 in diameter which Nikon claims provides more light. Might be some good reasons for it.
 
it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
It's like comparing a 51 carat diamond to a 50. The fifty is worse right? ;-)
Is the 63 not optically superior to the zoom? If not I’ve been misinformed. It’s faster glass too, as well as slightly sharper throughout the aperture range? The motor noise doesn’t bother me. I get that it’s motor isn’t as advanced as the others. Not seeing how this is the worst lens. I wouldn’t even consider the 35mm equivalent I find that a boring FL (get that many feel that way for 50mm). By what measure is the 63 the worst. I’m not convinced there’s a consensus about this let alone any tests to support this I’ve not seen it anywhere. Seems a very strong statement to be making even if the margin of difference is small.
 
it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
It's like comparing a 51 carat diamond to a 50. The fifty is worse right? ;-)
Is the 63 not optically superior to the zoom?
The zoom gets judged differently because it’s a zoom.
If not I’ve been misinformed. It’s faster glass too, as well as slightly sharper throughout the aperture range? The motor noise doesn’t bother me. I get that it’s motor isn’t as advanced as the others. Not seeing how this is the worst lens. I wouldn’t even consider the 35mm equivalent I find that a boring FL (get that many feel that way for 50mm). By what measure is the 63 the worst. I’m not convinced there’s a consensus about this let alone any tests to support this I’ve not seen it anywhere. Seems a very strong statement to be making even if the margin of difference is small.
 
I don't get why that 50mm f1.8 lens has to be that big. It's not fast and there is no stabilization.
Nikon claims near zero aberrations wide open. "Near zero aberrations wide open" is Otus territory.
Take a look at the Otus focus shift here:


Is that "near zero"? To me it looks like enough that you'll have to change your focusing strategy based upon it if you want sharp pictures.

But if you ask me if it's low enough that some marketing guy can say it's "near zero", I don't know what to say.

Jim
 
I don't get why that 50mm f1.8 lens has to be that big. It's not fast and there is no stabilization.
Nikon claims near zero aberrations wide open. "Near zero aberrations wide open" is Otus territory.
Take a look at the Otus focus shift here:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/another-medium-tele-test-otus-nikkor-focus-shift/
Actually, I was referring to the Z 50mm and the Otus 55mm.

Why did you use 11 feet and move closer when testing an 85mm lens? Is that the normal distance for a studio head shot?
Is that "near zero"? To me it looks like enough that you'll have to change your focusing strategy based upon it if you want sharp pictures.
From the short time I had the Otus 55mm (rental) and tested it in landscape situations, I didn't have a problem getting sharply focuses images when I was able to use LV. Who knows what my strategy is other than looking at the image until it was in focus. I would describe its performance wide open as near flawless @ f1.4 with an almost invisible falloff into the corners.
But if you ask me if it's low enough that some marketing guy can say it's "near zero", I don't know what to say.

Jim
By the way, I was merely spit balling reasons for why the lenses for the Nikon Z system are so large. Do you have a theory?
 
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it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
It's like comparing a 51 carat diamond to a 50. The fifty is worse right? ;-)
Is the 63 not optically superior to the zoom? If not I’ve been misinformed. It’s faster glass too, as well as slightly sharper throughout the aperture range?
Yes I think so too. When these lenses first came out, Fuji's MTFs for each seemed to suggest that the 32-64 @64mm and the 63mm were equals. I would have bought the 32-64 first anyway even if the MTFs showed greater separation in those results. The 32-64 was just way more versatile for framing. Carrying one lens rather than several is important too as I am an old man whose long hiking days in the hills and mountains are waning. The thing about the 32-64 Is that it is sharper across the whole range and frame than the normal FF zoom I had previously thought was so special. When I am not hiking, and I can set up my tripod, I will use the primes in this range instead.
The motor noise doesn’t bother me. I get that it’s motor isn’t as advanced as the others. Not seeing how this is the worst lens. I wouldn’t even consider the 35mm equivalent I find that a boring FL (get that many feel that way for 50mm). By what measure is the 63 the worst.
My comment was ironic. I think if you read it again you'll get the joke.
I’m not convinced there’s a consensus about this let alone any tests to support this I’ve not seen it anywhere. Seems a very strong statement to be making even if the margin of difference is small.
 
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it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
It's like comparing a 51 carat diamond to a 50. The fifty is worse right? ;-)
Is the 63 not optically superior to the zoom?
The zoom gets judged differently because it’s a zoom.
If not I’ve been misinformed. It’s faster glass too, as well as slightly sharper throughout the aperture range? The motor noise doesn’t bother me. I get that it’s motor isn’t as advanced as the others. Not seeing how this is the worst lens. I wouldn’t even consider the 35mm equivalent I find that a boring FL (get that many feel that way for 50mm). By what measure is the 63 the worst. I’m not convinced there’s a consensus about this let alone any tests to support this I’ve not seen it anywhere. Seems a very strong statement to be making even if the margin of difference is small.
That’s a valid subjective comparison, just not one that is relevant to my work. I take it then that image to image at this focal length the prime is the better lens. They’re all great from what I’ve heard.
 
it's much closer than I thought since the 50S is a fat beast. If the 50R really rolls out at photokina and looses the ass it will be a really interesting travel camera.

And while the 63mm is a really great lens, it's probably the worst of the gfx lenses and only equivalent to 50mm f/2.2
Worst? Where does it fall behind the others? I’ve only used it so wondering what I’m missing out on.
It's like comparing a 51 carat diamond to a 50. The fifty is worse right? ;-)
Is the 63 not optically superior to the zoom? If not I’ve been misinformed. It’s faster glass too, as well as slightly sharper throughout the aperture range?
Yes I think so too. When these lenses first came out, Fuji's MTFs for each seemed to suggest that the 32-64 @64mm and the 63mm were equals. I would have bought the 32-64 first anyway even if the MTFs showed greater separation in those results. The 32-64 was just way more versatile for framing. Carrying one lens rather than several is important too as I am an old man whose long hiking days in the hills and mountains are waning. The thing about the 32-64 Is that it is sharper across the whole range and frame than the normal FF zoom I had previously thought was so special. When I am not hiking, and I can set up my tripod, I will use the primes in this range instead.
The motor noise doesn’t bother me. I get that it’s motor isn’t as advanced as the others. Not seeing how this is the worst lens. I wouldn’t even consider the 35mm equivalent I find that a boring FL (get that many feel that way for 50mm). By what measure is the 63 the worst.
My comment was ironic. I think if you read it again you'll get the joke.
I’m not convinced there’s a consensus about this let alone any tests to support this I’ve not seen it anywhere. Seems a very strong statement to be making even if the margin of difference is small.
That makes sense (hiking). Get what you’re saying now.
 

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