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SantaFeBill said:

historianx said:

DasCC said:

but 1 XQD and 1 SD is better than 1XQD...

I find their excuse for not at least having an SD card (too slow) to be BS. The D500/850 have the XQD/SD combo. If you need max speed you can remove the SD card, but if you're shooting a critical event that warrants a backup option you can pop in an SD card.

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Absolutely agree. Besides, while they're a bit slower, the 300mbs SDXC card in my D500's second slot has no trouble backing up the XQD card in slot 1.

This all points to how much an geared-to-amateurs forum DPR is. Some of us F/T and P/T pros rely on the card in the second slot to provide a redundant backup, it's part of our workflow. I have had a couple of occasions where a card failed in slot 1 and had to rely on the card in slot 2 for client proof delivery.

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Not only pros (although I was one many moons ago, long before digital), but there are those of us who are now at the point in our lives that trips to marvelous places are probably the last time we'll be there.

I've no intention of shooting with a camera that doesn't let me back up what are literally once- or last-in-a- lifetime images, no matter how slim the chance of a card failure.

After all, I don't expect the plane to crash, but I still get flight insurance.

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briantilley said:

SantaFeBill said:

historianx said:

DasCC said:

but 1 XQD and 1 SD is better than 1XQD...

I find their excuse for not at least having an SD card (too slow) to be BS. The D500/850 have the XQD/SD combo. If you need max speed you can remove the SD card, but if you're shooting a critical event that warrants a backup option you can pop in an SD card.

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Absolutely agree. Besides, while they're a bit slower, the 300mbs SDXC card in my D500's second slot has no trouble backing up the XQD card in slot 1.

This all points to how much an geared-to-amateurs forum DPR is. Some of us F/T and P/T pros rely on the card in the second slot to provide a redundant backup, it's part of our workflow. I have had a couple of occasions where a card failed in slot 1 and had to rely on the card in slot 2 for client proof delivery.

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Not only pros (although I was one many moons ago, long before digital), but there are those of us who are now at the point in our lives that trips to marvelous places are probably the last time we'll be there.

I've no intention of shooting with a camera that doesn't let me back up what are literally once- or last-in-a- lifetime images, no matter how slim the chance of a card failure.

After all, I don't expect the plane to crash, but I still get flight insurance.

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If you go on vacation with a partner / friend, do you fly in separate planes - just in case...?

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MrHollywood said:

Joe Tam said:

i haven't had a flat tire in a very long time. Should i throw out my spare tire to make room in my trunk?

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Throw it out to save weight, like several excellent sports cars sold today.

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XeroJay said:

This entire thread has a "Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose." vibe to it.

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TN Args said:

XeroJay said:

This entire thread has a "Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose." vibe to it.

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Only the facts matter. Real statistical likelihoods, not exaggerated fears born of isolated (and not always fully diagnosed) horror stories.

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MrHollywood said:

P10004K said:

MrHollywood said:

P10004K said:

MrHollywood said:

tqlla said:

Malikknows said:

XeroJay said:

But we bashed the early A7's for not having 2 card slots, and rightfully so. To treat the Z6/Z7 any different is hypocrite.

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True enough, yet the Sony's flourished as a system for several years with only one card slot. So, pros and others desired the advantages of mirrorless and were not dissuaded from the Sony's because of their lack of 2 slots.

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In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).

Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.

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At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.

Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.

Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.

I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.

Rob

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I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.

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Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob

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Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.

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Dude. Seriously? You need a poll to tell you that product photography is #1. Think it through.

A typical car has 30'000 parts and 2 thirds of them are photographed, not to mention the vehicle itself that usually results in thousand of pro photos as well. That's just one product.

Wedding photography is TINY compared to product shooting. Not even close.

Rob

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Again, not true at all. Just do a local Google search for photographers literally anywhere and the first 1000 results will be wedding and event photographers. In fact, I don't see any listings for product photographers at all in Toronto.

You know what, dude? At this point I think you're completely full of it. Pretty much everything that you spew is so far off base, I can't even believe I'm taking the bait anymore.

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MrHollywood said:

XeroJay said:

MrHollywood said:

P10004K said:

MrHollywood said:

P10004K said:

MrHollywood said:

tqlla said:

Malikknows said:

MrHollywood said:

But we bashed the early A7's for not having 2 card slots, and rightfully so. To treat the Z6/Z7 any different is hypocrite.

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True enough, yet the Sony's flourished as a system for several years with only one card slot. So, pros and others desired the advantages of mirrorless and were not dissuaded from the Sony's because of their lack of 2 slots.

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In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).

Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.

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At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.

Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.

Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.

I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.

Rob

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I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.

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Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob

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Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.

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Dude. Seriously? You need a poll to tell you that product photography is #1. Think it through.

A typical car has 30'000 parts and 2 thirds of them are photographed, not to mention the vehicle itself that usually results in thousand of pro photos as well. That's just one product.

Wedding photography is TINY compared to product shooting. Not even close.

Rob

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Again, not true at all. Just do a local Google search for photographers literally anywhere and the first 1000 results will be wedding and event photographers. In fact, I don't see any listings for product photographers at all in Toronto.

You know what, dude? At this point I think you're completely full of it. Pretty much everything that you spew is so far off base, I can't even believe I'm taking the bait anymore.

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I'm sorry but you're utterly ignorant about this. I'm a product photographer. Even Matt Granger just said wedding photography is a tiny portion of the business.

Product shooters don't usually post adds for gods sake. When Matt complained today about people typically being unable to get our their own heads and realize there's far more types "pro" shooters out there, you should have listened.

2.5 milion weddings in the USA per year. There's likely more product shooting in a week. Why not look and see how many photos are on the Macy's website and do some BASIC math.

Bye!

Rob

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XeroJay said:

TN Args said:

XeroJay said:

This entire thread has a "Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose." vibe to it.

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Only the facts matter. Real statistical likelihoods, not exaggerated fears born of isolated (and not always fully diagnosed) horror stories.

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That's right. like the fact that nobody really knows yet how reliable XQD cards are.

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XeroJay said:

Or the fact that Nikon seemed to feel it was necessary to include dual XQD cards in their D5.

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XeroJay said:

Or the fact that the OP a few hours ago himself wrote an "open letter" to Nikon about how they missed an opportunity and should have included dual XQD slots, and that it will definitely cost them sales.

Like those facts?

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TN Args said:

MrHollywood said:

Joe Tam said:

i haven't had a flat tire in a very long time. Should i throw out my spare tire to make room in my trunk?

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Throw it out to save weight, like several excellent sports cars sold today.

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Like so many BMWs too, and it became sensible with their use of run-flat tyres. In the Z's case, it became sensible with the adoption of 'flat-resistant' XQD cards.

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TN Args said:

Remember guys: the ONLY failure mode that people are fretting about, is the one where the card fails AFTER taking the photos, and the photos stored are completely irretrievable. Other card problems aren't the issue, you just pop it out and put another one in.

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MrHollywood said:

XeroJay said:

TN Args said:

XeroJay said:

This entire thread has a "Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose." vibe to it.

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Only the facts matter. Real statistical likelihoods, not exaggerated fears born of isolated (and not always fully diagnosed) horror stories.

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That's right. like the fact that nobody really knows yet how reliable XQD cards are.

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Yeah, the industry knows. And they told you, but you ignored them.

MrHollywood said:

Or the fact that Nikon seemed to feel it was necessary to include dual XQD cards in their D5.

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Different much larger camera.

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MrHollywood said:

Why not pay attention to what Thom Hogan is saying? Or Matt Granger? They're pretty seasoned shooters.

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MrHollywood said:

MrHollywood said:

Or the fact that the OP a few hours ago himself wrote an "open letter" to Nikon about how they missed an opportunity and should have included dual XQD slots, and that it will definitely cost them sales.

Like those facts?

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That's letter is about MARKETING, not the practical realities of actual shooting. I see single slot as a marketing blunder and the hysteria that has resulted should have been understood...and maybe it was.

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MrHollywood said:

Now we'll wait for the reviews of actual production models and see if the Z bodies can make a good showing. I think they will.

Rob

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