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Well, the first issue it was a Lexar Card, which have had reliability issues with all their cards from SD to CFast, inconsistent QC on their cards. This is not the first issue I have heard of with Lexar, that was solved by switching to a major brand like SanDisk, or in the case if QXD, Sony cards. I never mess around with the bargain rate cards, and I have never had an issue.
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MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
tqlla said:
Malikknows said:
MrHollywood said:
But we bashed the early A7's for not having 2 card slots, and rightfully so. To treat the Z6/Z7 any different is hypocrite.
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True enough, yet the Sony's flourished as a system for several years with only one card slot. So, pros and others desired the advantages of mirrorless and were not dissuaded from the Sony's because of their lack of 2 slots.
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In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).

Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.
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At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.

Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.

Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.

I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.

Rob
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I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.
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Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob
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Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.
 
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P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
tqlla said:
Malikknows said:
P10004K said:
But we bashed the early A7's for not having 2 card slots, and rightfully so. To treat the Z6/Z7 any different is hypocrite.
Click to expand...
True enough, yet the Sony's flourished as a system for several years with only one card slot. So, pros and others desired the advantages of mirrorless and were not dissuaded from the Sony's because of their lack of 2 slots.
Click to expand...
In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).

Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.
Click to expand...
At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.

Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.

Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.

I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.

Rob
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I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.
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Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob
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Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.
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Dude. Seriously? You need a poll to tell you that product photography is #1. Think it through.

A typical car has 30'000 parts and 2 thirds of them are photographed, not to mention the vehicle itself that usually results in thousand of pro photos as well. That's just one product.

Wedding photography is TINY compared to product shooting. Not even close.

Rob
 
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.
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Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob
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Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.
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Dude. Seriously? You need a poll to tell you that product photography is #1. Think it through.

A typical car has 30'000 parts and 2 thirds of them are photographed, not to mention the vehicle itself that usually results in thousand of pro photos as well. That's just one product.

Wedding photography is TINY compared to product shooting. Not even close.

Rob
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I think this is a problem. People aren't differentiating pros. If you are doing products, or architecture or even head shots.... etc. Its okay to lose that photo because you can take it again. It is kind of unprofessional to ask for reshoots... but at least its something that can be redone.

If you are doing events, like life events(weddings, graduations, first birthdays), competitions(sports, dancing, etc).... you need to make sure you are doing everything you can to deliver those images at the end of the day.
 
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MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
tqlla said:
Malikknows said:
MrHollywood said:
But we bashed the early A7's for not having 2 card slots, and rightfully so. To treat the Z6/Z7 any different is hypocrite.
Click to expand...
True enough, yet the Sony's flourished as a system for several years with only one card slot. So, pros and others desired the advantages of mirrorless and were not dissuaded from the Sony's because of their lack of 2 slots.
Click to expand...
In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).

Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.
Click to expand...
At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.

Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.

Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.

I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.

Rob
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I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.
Click to expand...
Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob
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Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.
Click to expand...
Dude. Seriously? You need a poll to tell you that product photography is #1. Think it through.

A typical car has 30'000 parts and 2 thirds of them are photographed, not to mention the vehicle itself that usually results in thousand of pro photos as well. That's just one product.

Wedding photography is TINY compared to product shooting. Not even close.

Rob
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I am talking about the number of photographers doing it not the amount of money they make in a year. Dude. Seriously ? Look at what you posted so far on this forum.
 
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P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
tqlla said:
Malikknows said:
P10004K said:
But we bashed the early A7's for not having 2 card slots, and rightfully so. To treat the Z6/Z7 any different is hypocrite.
Click to expand...
True enough, yet the Sony's flourished as a system for several years with only one card slot. So, pros and others desired the advantages of mirrorless and were not dissuaded from the Sony's because of their lack of 2 slots.
Click to expand...
In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).

Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.
Click to expand...
At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.

Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.

Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.

I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.

Rob
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I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.
Click to expand...
Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob
Click to expand...
Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.
Click to expand...
Dude. Seriously? You need a poll to tell you that product photography is #1. Think it through.

A typical car has 30'000 parts and 2 thirds of them are photographed, not to mention the vehicle itself that usually results in thousand of pro photos as well. That's just one product.

Wedding photography is TINY compared to product shooting. Not even close.

Rob
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I am talking about the number of photographers doing it not the amount of money they make in a year. Dude. Seriously ? Look at what you posted so far on this forum.
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There is FAR more product shooters than just wedding. It's not even close.

Product includes fashion, jewelry, automotive, electronics, medical industry pharm...pretty much anything you see around you.

I actually started off as a book photographer in the 80's. Wedding shooters are few compared to product.

Rob
 
P10004K said:
I am talking about the number of photographers doing it not the amount of money they make in a year. Dude. Seriously ?
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I did it the most foolproof way there is back in the film era.

I quickly switched 2 bodies for each shot, and made sure the films were processed on different days at the lab.

For maximum image security switching between 2 bodies for each set up shot (using an assistant for "confetti" shots etc) is more foolproof than 2 slots in a single digital camera ;-)
 
Yes, yes it is, and it still is. Two cameras in a situation like a wedding is what you need to do... I learned this the hard way, when I was starting out, shot a wedding with one camera, no issue there, but sent off all the film to the lab at one time — the lab lost the lot!
Cheers
 
MrHollywood said:
noggin2k1 said:
Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

Even if statistically 2 SD cards are more likely to fail than 1 XQD that, they statistically won't be more likely fail at the exact same time. If 1 SD card fails, I replace BOTH cards - eliminating any risk of losing the images. If the single XQD card fails, regardless of the statistical odds = game over.

If a body fails, you don't lose the images that body has taken. And guess what; for weddings, I take 3 bodies to counter such risks.

However you try and spin it, the single card slot is the serious weakness of the Z6/Z7.
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I guess I would agree with you if I EVER hear a real story of an XQD card failing. Since I was on the scene when TWO Sony cameras failed, which camera and card system should I perceive as more robust? Hmmmm?

I'll take a weather-sealed robust Z6 with a far faster, more reliable XQD card over the frail Sony with it's slower SD slots. And as you're about to see, so will most people.

The Z is just the smarter deal. The worst thing I can do is use the SD slot in my D850. XQD all the way.

Rob
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You better have a fast card with the tiny buffer both cams have.
 
kilofox said:
You better have a fast card with the tiny buffer both cams have.
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The buffer is bigger than on some 5 year old cameras and most 10 year old cameras.
 
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
P10004K said:
MrHollywood said:
tqlla said:
Malikknows said:
MrHollywood said:
But we bashed the early A7's for not having 2 card slots, and rightfully so. To treat the Z6/Z7 any different is hypocrite.
Click to expand...
True enough, yet the Sony's flourished as a system for several years with only one card slot. So, pros and others desired the advantages of mirrorless and were not dissuaded from the Sony's because of their lack of 2 slots.
Click to expand...
In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).

Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.
Click to expand...
At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.

Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.

Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.

I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.

Rob
Click to expand...
I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.
Click to expand...
Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.

2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.

Rob
Click to expand...
Do a poll here and see what is #1 type of paid photography with photographers on DPR.
Click to expand...
Dude. Seriously? You need a poll to tell you that product photography is #1. Think it through.

A typical car has 30'000 parts and 2 thirds of them are photographed, not to mention the vehicle itself that usually results in thousand of pro photos as well. That's just one product.

Wedding photography is TINY compared to product shooting. Not even close.

Rob
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Again, not true at all. Just do a local Google search for photographers literally anywhere and the first 1000 results will be wedding and event photographers. In fact, I don't see any listings for product photographers at all in Toronto.

You know what, dude? At this point I think you're completely full of it. Pretty much everything that you spew is so far off base, I can't even believe I'm taking the bait anymore.
 
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Leonard Shepherd said:
kilofox said:
You better have a fast card with the tiny buffer both cams have.
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The buffer is bigger than on some 5 year old cameras and most 10 year old cameras.
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23-27 shots until full isn't good compared to some cameras today that can hold 3 times as much. You can probably forget about shooting RAW+jpeg if that is one's preference.
 
XeroJay said:
In another thread, someone mentioned a hope that Nikon could one day add a second card slot via battery grip... This made me really wonder if that's a possibility. Afterall, we've seen wifi grips for certain models in past.
Is this something that Nikon could do? Here's hoping, even if it's long shot.
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Unlikely.

Never been done before afaik, seems like a weird thing to do, but more importantly: you need an incredibly fast connection to the Expeed processor to clear the buffer onto the cards. Short of soldering the card interface directly onto the motherboard, it's going to slow the camera down.

It's more likely that they will add it to a yet-to-be-released body. It's not like the Z6/Z7 are the only mirrorless bodies they ever intend to release.
 
kilofox said:
23-27 shots until full isn't good compared to some cameras today that can hold 3 times as much. You can probably forget about shooting RAW+jpeg if that is one's preference.
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How about lossless compressed RAW + jpeg shooting?
 
MrHollywood said:
One XQD slot is better than 2 SD slots. PERIOD. You're more likely to have TWO SD card failures in the Sony than a single XQD failure in the Nikon.

Nikon has the better mousetrap....better LCD, viewfinder, faster FPS, better video, ergonomics and likely better IQ.

The Z6 is an amazing start, but some credit has to go to Sony for taking many faltering, but important steps that allow Nikon and Canon to roar into the mirrorless market.

And again, I've seen TWO A7rIII cameras fail in the field. I've seen SD cards fail, especially after rough handling. But XQD? I have to google it to find anyone with issues. Of course we have trolls claiming their XQD's failed and they know people who's had issues blah blah blah. XQD is rock solid and ultra reliable. Period.

I'm holding off on the Z6 to see detailed reviews, but can't see why I won't be buying one to use alongside by D850. The Z6 is a beautiful camera.

Rob
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sts2 said:
XeroJay said:
In another thread, someone mentioned a hope that Nikon could one day add a second card slot via battery grip... This made me really wonder if that's a possibility. Afterall, we've seen wifi grips for certain models in past.
Is this something that Nikon could do? Here's hoping, even if it's long shot.
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Unlikely.

Never been done before afaik, (snipped)

It's more likely that they will add it to a yet-to-be-released body. It's not like the Z6/Z7 are the only mirrorless bodies they ever intend to release.
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Nikon are delivering the F mount adaptor on Day 1, and have said a grip is "under development". As the grip is not available on Day 1 Nikon could be planning something special.
 
$230 128GB XQD vs $30 128GB SDXC for shooting 4K !
 
historianx said:
DasCC said:
but 1 XQD and 1 SD is better than 1XQD...

I find their excuse for not at least having an SD card (too slow) to be BS. The D500/850 have the XQD/SD combo. If you need max speed you can remove the SD card, but if you're shooting a critical event that warrants a backup option you can pop in an SD card.
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Absolutely agree. Besides, while they're a bit slower, the 300mbs SDXC card in my D500's second slot has no trouble backing up the XQD card in slot 1.

This all points to how much an geared-to-amateurs forum DPR is. Some of us F/T and P/T pros rely on the card in the second slot to provide a redundant backup, it's part of our workflow. I have had a couple of occasions where a card failed in slot 1 and had to rely on the card in slot 2 for client proof delivery.
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Not only pros (although I was one many moons ago, long before digital), but there are those of us who are now at the point in our lives that trips to marvelous places are probably the last time we'll be there.

I've no intention of shooting with a camera that doesn't let me back up what are literally once- or last-in-a- lifetime images, no matter how slim the chance of a card failure.

After all, I don't expect the plane to crash, but I still get flight insurance. :-)
 
Photos Of Our Planet said:
MrHollywood said:
The worst thing I can do is use the SD slot in my D850.

Rob
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Absolutely true. There is nothing worse that you can do can do than use the backup feature of a secondary card slot. I made a list, spent a couple hours going through it, that was definitely the worst thing you can do with a D850.
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LMAO! You nailed him - he just doesn't - or won't - see it.

(He probably doesn't use seat belts either - after all, he's never been killed in a car wreck. :-D )
 
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P10004K said:
P10004K wrote

$230 128GB XQD vs $30 128GB SDXC for shooting 4K !
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For $30, you'll get a basic UHS-I SDXC card with a maximum write speed of maybe 30 MB/sec. That could be OK for some folk. Or, they could pay $240 for a fast UHS-II SDXC card that writes at 260 MB/sec. That compares with the $230 XQD card which will write at 400 MB/sec. You get what you pay for.
 
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