Old fasion Film for huge prints?

Hi

If you want to make huge prints, that could cover one side of a building. Would you then use a DSLR or old fasion FILM SLR ?

If i had to use a DSLR, how many megapixel does my camera need to have ?
Michael Firstlight's post answers your question. If you want to cover a wall with detail that can withstand up close viewing, you need to stitch.

That said, 35mm film SLRs are no match for today's high resolution DSLRs in terms of resolution and fine detail. The one possible exception is Adox CMS 20. It's the only currently available film I'm aware of that appears to have similar levels of detail to today's 36mp and higher 35mm sensors.
The bigger issue is actually getting the right firm to do the printing and installation. I've had to ship my final composite TIFFs on DVDs they were so big. One of the companies that does it is here in the Charlotte, NC area is Visual Impressions. That is an art in itself. https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=e...hUKEwi58cfA1oTdAhVwT98KHSd5C0IQoiowCnoECAoQCQ

Mike
 
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Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
 
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Digital medium format would do or if you wanted to push the boat out a large format view camera i.e. 5x4. As already stated though viewing distance is a factor and youd be suprised the things printers can do to with a relatively small file.
Last century I was a photographic technician for about 6 years. Customers sent in 10x8 inch color sheet film for wall-filling prints. I processed the sheet film, and made 10x8 inch inter-negatives from them, for other technicians to do the prints. I understand that market still exists.
Years ago I had some of my military shots used for recruitment billboard posters, they had been taken on Nikons first pro spec digital camera the D1 and the files were smaller than what you can get today on a phone. I was told the graphics team/printers produced an a3 sized print and used high spec scanners to help produce the finished poster, they used dark magic but the results were great:)
I can do 33x23 inch prints from 16 MB 1/2.3 inch sensors. For wall-filling prints I would consider FF, like the 46 MB sensor in the forthcoming Nikon Z7. I have not read up the larger sensors and the cameras that use them.

Henry
 
Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance - not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.

Regards,
Mike
 
Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance - not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.

Regards,
Mike
Correct.

Shoot a photo of a crowd of people. Perhaps in the original capture, someone's head is 5 pixels high. You are not going to recover facial details by a series of 110% upscales.

Upscaling can allow you to print bigger while minimizing "jaggies" and pixel blotches. It won't magically restore detail that was never captured.
 
Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
 
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Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance - not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.

Regards,
Mike
Correct.

Shoot a photo of a crowd of people. Perhaps in the original capture, someone's head is 5 pixels high. You are not going to recover facial details by a series of 110% upscales.

Upscaling can allow you to print bigger while minimizing "jaggies" and pixel blotches. It won't magically restore detail that was never captured.
you are not creating detail that was never captured but retaining the detail you did capture.
 
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Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
Actually, not true. For a billboard the distance might be a hundred or hundreds of feet. On the side of a building, its tens of feet or a couple of dozen walking by. Inside a building, it's even less (in the visitor centers I've done, it's as little as 5-8 feet distance) - and people love to get even closer and look at the detail when its there). High def is expected these days at those much closer distances.

MIke
 
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Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
Actually, not true.
Nikon Coolpix 990 for 65 x 43-ft print

link supplied by Larry earlier in the thread


and the Nikon Coolpix 990, only had 3.34 megapixels to work with.
 
Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
Actually, not true.
Nikon Coolpix 990 for 65 x 43-ft print

link supplied by Larry earlier in the thread

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1845296760/coolpix990bigprint

and the Nikon Coolpix 990, only had 3.34 megapixels to work with.
And i still have my Nikon N990 and use it occasionally. I laid out my challenge earlier - why don't you try your hand at it and show us what you can do with a single frame from a modern camera and post your results here? You should have no trouble by your claim and knowledge. C'mon, single fame, interpolate anyway you want, 10 foot by 30 foot resize.....we're waiting!

Mike


Mike
 
Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
Actually, not true.
Nikon Coolpix 990 for 65 x 43-ft print

link supplied by Larry earlier in the thread

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1845296760/coolpix990bigprint

and the Nikon Coolpix 990, only had 3.34 megapixels to work with.
And i still have my Nikon N990 and use it occasionally.
and now you know you can print at 65 x 43-ft from it as you can see from the linked article so there is no need for me to prove anything is there.
 
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Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
Actually, not true.
Nikon Coolpix 990 for 65 x 43-ft print

link supplied by Larry earlier in the thread

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1845296760/coolpix990bigprint

and the Nikon Coolpix 990, only had 3.34 megapixels to work with.
And i still have my Nikon N990 and use it occasionally.
and now you know you can print at 65 x 43-ft from it as you can see from the linked article so there is no need for me to prove anything is there.
proving there is one in every thread....
 
Actually, not true. For a billboard the distance might be a hundred or hundreds of feet. On the side of a building, its tens of feet or a couple of dozen walking by. Inside a building, it's even less (in the visitor centers I've done, it's as little as 5-8 feet distance) - and people love to get even closer and look at the detail when its there). High def is expected these days at those much closer distances.
You make a good point. "On the side of a building" covers a very wide range.

The first thing that came to my mind were the large advertising signs on the sides of local buildings. Some of these signs are a few stories tall. They are up in the air, and it isn't practical to view them from a close distance.

However, you are correct that there are absolutely situations where a large print "on the side of a building" will be viewed from a close distance.

If we don't know the specifics of the OP's situation, we can only speculate as to which circumstance he is in. Some of them will be just fine with a 20 megapixel (or less) image. Some will be best served by hundreds or thousands of megapixels.
 
Let's be realistic about this. How would you put a photo on the side of a building? You've got windows. The building is made out of irregular materials. All I can think of is a billboard mounted on the side and it would probably be mounted high up for maximum visibility making close up viewing impossible.
 
But, as he said, close up I'm positive it looked like garbage. At the same time it was mounted too high for close up viewing.

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Tom
 
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and now you know you can print at 65 x 43-ft from it as you can see from the linked article so there is no need for me to prove anything is there.
But the quality was garbage. Heck you could print 65,000 miles by 43,000 miles and it would look good from a half a million miles away.
 
Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
Actually, not true.
Nikon Coolpix 990 for 65 x 43-ft print

link supplied by Larry earlier in the thread

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1845296760/coolpix990bigprint

and the Nikon Coolpix 990, only had 3.34 megapixels to work with.
And i still have my Nikon N990 and use it occasionally.
and now you know you can print at 65 x 43-ft from it as you can see from the linked article so there is no need for me to prove anything is there.
proving there is one in every thread....
..... a muppet with a ladder who pixels peeps billboards?
 
Someone has said that you can take a photo and then blow the size up in e.g. Photoshop.

I can understand that you can pick whatever size you like in photoshop, BUT will i not get less DPI/PPI the larger you scale the photo ?
the trick is an interpolation formula Photoshop analyzes the colors of the original pixels and manufactures new ones.

one of Adobe coders magical formula was 110% bicubic which caused no noticeable degradation to the image.

back in early 2000, i had only 4.3 megapixels to work with and heavily cropped my macro subjects to fill the frame so upsampled as above before cropping and printing at A4.
Interpolation cannot achieve the level of detail at the scale we're talking about. I know, I do this commercially. When you are talking many feed by many feet - 10's of feet, no interpolation technique in the world will yield a high-def viewing at close distance
you don't view a billboard on the side of building close up you view it at a distance.
- not even from a 100MP Hassy - matrix stitching and gigapixels are required for high-def, up close viewing to meet commercial expectations. And it is not difficult at all with the right tools. Don't believe me? Here's a challenge - take a high MP image (say 36MPs or 45MPs), use your best interpolation technique to scale it up to, say, 144 inches by 386 inches, and then view in Photoshop at 100% - you'll see a blotchy image that looks like an impressionist painting - not much more.
Actually, not true.
Nikon Coolpix 990 for 65 x 43-ft print

link supplied by Larry earlier in the thread

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1845296760/coolpix990bigprint

and the Nikon Coolpix 990, only had 3.34 megapixels to work with.
And i still have my Nikon N990 and use it occasionally.
and now you know you can print at 65 x 43-ft from it as you can see from the linked article so there is no need for me to prove anything is there.
proving there is one in every thread....
..... a muppet with a ladder who pixels peeps billboards?
But I can and do, and get paid for it - how about you? Yes, muppets, children, adults (excluding some here).

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