blessingx
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Didn’t want X-Pro users to miss this.
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X-Pro2: “Now I understand”
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blessingx
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WRONG LINK. SORRY.
Ugh. Guess YouTube auto advanced and I grabbed the wrong video URL. I meant this one (can’t edit original).
Ugh. Guess YouTube auto advanced and I grabbed the wrong video URL. I meant this one (can’t edit original).
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I watched this last night (the link you meant to post, not the horrifying substitute) and it was interesting enough. I still kind of feel though that if you’re going to spend most of your time comparing the X-Pro to a Leica and going down that whole poor-man’s-Leica trope, you’re still not really getting it.
The X-Pro2 is unique. Totally and absolutely unique. Until a Leica M can shoot with autofocus and track moving subjects and do all the other things the X-Pro can do with its optical finder, the Leica remains just a rangefinder - just another minor iteration of an ancient camera design. The X-Pro2 stands alone as something far more advanced and - in many ways - better.
The X-Pro2 is unique. Totally and absolutely unique. Until a Leica M can shoot with autofocus and track moving subjects and do all the other things the X-Pro can do with its optical finder, the Leica remains just a rangefinder - just another minor iteration of an ancient camera design. The X-Pro2 stands alone as something far more advanced and - in many ways - better.
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57even
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Oh look, it's got a range-finder style viewfinder - we should compare it with a Leica.
Sorry, but after spending about 15 seconds listening to content-free drivel from attention hounds on YouTube my attention tends to wander.
Bobo Hodls
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If we didn't have a full time blowhard on the forum already, I might be able to listen to what THAT blowhard has to day once in a while.
Same can be said about the M --- It is totally and absolutely unique. Until a X-Pro can provide a true RF experience with a range of real (as in mechanical and not fly-by-wire) MF lenses, the X-Pro shooting experience remains just another minor iteration of any other MILC. The M stands alone as something far more advanced and - in many ways - better.
Choose the tool that works for you. I've had both and I loved shooting with both. But I now shoot with a Leica SL and Fuji X-T2 because SLR styled bodies work better for me. There's no need to mock other cameras to justify your own choice.
fcracer
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They are both very special cameras that serve somewhat different purposes. I think a person needs both rather an either/or.
My XP2 is a match for the Leica in image quality and has that awesomely engineered hybrid vewifinder. The Leica however has incredible build quality.
Until I put Exif info on my site, most people could not tell the difference between Leica M10 and XP2. See for yourself and try to guess without looking at the Exif: http://www.fcracer.com
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My XP2 is a match for the Leica in image quality and has that awesomely engineered hybrid vewifinder. The Leica however has incredible build quality.
Until I put Exif info on my site, most people could not tell the difference between Leica M10 and XP2. See for yourself and try to guess without looking at the Exif: http://www.fcracer.com
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Instagram: fcracer
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Bobo Hodls
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What a world of difference. . . content and demeanor that is easy to sit through, with interest. Thanks for the link.
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Both great camera’s. I could buy a few Leica’s and a bunch of Leica lenses but the images would look just like my Fuji images because it’s not the camera but the photographer. A photographer is like a musician, take guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan for instance, Stevie had a particular sound, his trademark sound, and he predominantly played a Fender Stratocaster but sometimes he played a Gibson Les Paul. And he still sounded like Stevie Ray Vaughan with his trademark sound. Two different guitars two different type of guitar pickups, single coil vs humbuckers, but Stevie made them sound the same because tone is in the musicians fingers. The great master photographers of the past would still have their distinct style/look with any camera, old or today’s brand new digital, because it’s their trademark style/look imprinted in the photographs themselves.
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Sorry, but no. The M is a rangefinder. It’s not the only rangefinder ever made, it’s not even the only (or first) digital rangefinder ever made, at heart it’s just yet another iteration of a very old, dated and once extremely common camera design.
The X-Pro is not a rangefinder. It’s not like any other MILC or SLR either. It is truly unique. Not unique in the paltry sense you mean when you try and turn this into a conversation about the “experience” with your “real” lenses and other subjective nonsense, but unique in the sense that no other camera functions or performs in the same way. That kind of unique.
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Bobo Hodls
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Well, that would be the 'once in a while' aspect. . . like a highway accident one is driving past. . . you hope it's not going to be gruesome, yet it's nigh impossible not to peek to see if it is when brought to one's attention. . .
IMO, naturally.
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If someone writes their opinions down, at least I don't have to wait for ages to know if there is anything useful to learn.Well, that would be the 'once in a while' aspect. . . like a highway accident one is driving past. . . you hope it's not going to be gruesome, yet it's nigh impossible not to peek to see if it is when brought to one's attention. . .
IMO, naturally.
You're not making much sense.
True, the X-Pro is the only camera with a hybrid rangefinder, but the M is also the only true rangefinder with Live View. It's still the smallest fullframe MILC to this date (which is no small feat, having to fit in the RF mechanism along with all other MILC components) No other camera functions or performs in the same way.
That kind of unique?
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The X-Pro is the only camera with a hybrid viewfinder (it’s not a rangefinder). It allows completely unique styles of shooting, eg the ability to preview exposure and framing exactly while having an uninterrupted optical view with zero blackout between shots and full autofocus with tracking. It allows you to take pictures in a way that literally no other camera ever has.
The Leica M is just a rangefinder. It’s simply a homage to all the hundreds of other rangefinders that went before. Like every other rangefinder it lacks autofocus, it lacks any way to preview framing or exposure accurately through the viewfinder, it’s a poor choice for any kind of fast action and is prone to the same inaccuracy and focus drift of every other mechanical rangefinder. The fact that it now has live view is simply a belated nod to the fact that practically every camera on the planet now has live view, and it’s a basic expectation of even the most hardened Leica user. And if you really think a millimetre here or there on the chart of camera bigness makes something inherently interesting or unique well, good luck to you.
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I'm not sure why you still feel the need to belittle the M for the sake of your argument.
Autofocus does not make the X-Pro any better than a M. The focusing method is simply a choice of how a photographer wants to shoot. Would you go up to a cyclist and tell him that your motorcycle is better because it has an engine? Neither is better nor worse.
I personally prefer manual focusing with all my cameras, including my X-T2. It's way more predictable and enjoyable. And the M with it's mechanical rangefinder is still the pinnacle for those that want to focus manually. Coupled with the incredible Leica optics the camera deserves no ridicule.
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Let’s recap - I made the point that the X-Pro2 is unique. You argued with this and suggested the M was just as unique. I’ve pointed out why that’s not the case. I’m not belittling anything and this isn’t some kind of vendetta against the M, I’m just defending my original (and I think very often under appreciated point) that the X-Pro is a rarity as a truly unique camera.
You like the Leica experience and that’s just fine, you’re not alone. But the fact is that while yes, the focussing method I see down to the photographer and a matter of personal choice, the X-Pro2 gives you more choice. It does manual focus just fine (with mechanical lenses if you prefer, and a smorgasboard of focussing aids both in the EVF and optical finder). It also does fast autofocus, with a choice of tracking modes, face and eye detection, you name it. Objectively it does a lot more than a Leica and is going to do more to help more photographers get the shot in much wider array of situations. Does that make it the better camera, perhaps we should let that question lie, but it certainly makes it unique.
Optimus Prime Lens
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To be fair I didn't read it as 'belittling' the Leica. They were just asserting the uniqueness of the X-Pro2. With regard to your bike analogy, depending on your use for it, one is very much 'better' than the other. I have a relative who is a dyed in the wool Leica user. They see the benefits of the XP2 and acknowledge it excels in areas. I use zone focus a lot with my XP2. Would I like a Leica? I personally would. However it would be an 'as well as' not an 'instead of'. For all the photography I do the XP2's attributes, as listed above, work well for me. For my relatives photography the Leica works for them.
I think that most people just either like or don't like an image at an emotional level. The technical aspects of the camera, and its effects on an image, rarely, if ever, enter into things. I print some of my images and nobody looking at them could tell me which photo was taken with my Fuji, or was another brands crop sensor, or was full frame or even my old Sony f717. I can't even remember what sensor that had. People might say they like a photo, but they NEVER ask what camera I used.
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