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People post beautiful pictures and get one or two responses and somebody posts "more thoughts on the 828: part 3243" and there are 50, 60, 70 replies! The 828 is gonna be a fine camera, but CAN WE HOLD OFF ON THE DEBATE UNTIL PHIL REVIEWS IT? Oh! Yay! A picture of a duck! Some people like it, some don't. GUESS WHAT? NOBODY LIKES EVERY PICTURE! WOW! A BALL OF YARN! I'd like to stuff it in some of y'all's mouths! Seriously! Is it really necessary to go over the finer points of Bayer interpolation and how that's going to affect this-and-that when seeing Phil's sample pictures is going to do more to influence our choice than hours of reading Mr. Smarty-Pants' opinions?

We've all had threads where a photo has been praised, and we've all had threads that were all but ignored. What makes you feel better? How about more commentary on pictures taken by STF members and less on ones "released" by a corporation??

IBthisturnsintoanother828debate

Jim

P.S. - "Mr. Smarty Pants" is no one in particular.
 
this never happened til digital came about! film already had enough variables, but now digital has even more! i am over the whole thing! give me a manual camera with no instant preview or the ability to shoot a hundred or more on whatever digital media you have! i like a roll of film, be it 12,24,36 exposer or more,yes it doe's exist ie; bulk film back. 70 or more shots. the idea is take your time! and enjoy the experience of getting 90% or more good shots out of a roll of film, without in camera modification. nuff said!
JaimeZX said:
(Dons flame suit)

People post beautiful pictures and get one or two responses and
somebody posts "more thoughts on the 828: part 3243" and there are
50, 60, 70 replies! The 828 is gonna be a fine camera, but CAN WE
HOLD OFF ON THE DEBATE UNTIL PHIL REVIEWS IT? Oh! Yay! A picture of
a duck! Some people like it, some don't. GUESS WHAT? NOBODY LIKES
EVERY PICTURE! WOW! A BALL OF YARN! I'd like to stuff it in some
of y'all's mouths! Seriously! Is it really necessary to go over the
finer points of Bayer interpolation and how that's going to affect
this-and-that when seeing Phil's sample pictures is going to do
more to influence our choice than hours of reading Mr.
Smarty-Pants' opinions?

We've all had threads where a photo has been praised, and we've all
had threads that were all but ignored. What makes you feel better?
How about more commentary on pictures taken by STF members and less
on ones "released" by a corporation??

IBthisturnsintoanother828debate

Jim

P.S. - "Mr. Smarty Pants" is no one in particular.
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steven mulder
 
There is nothing wrong with wanting to share your pictures. I like to give gifts more than get them. and I like to get them alot! My posts do not get too many replies (being a smartarss does not help me). But then I looked at how many times I replied. I don't always have something to add and sometimes just have time to read them all. Number of views would be nice but that would be like 42 million counters! I try to compare it to: If I take a walk thru a forest for some pictures the trees don't mind if I do not send a comment later.

and the 828 dealy... It's just chatting... Look at it like people watching. If a 80 post thread was spoken it would only be about 40 minutes of conversation.
MIkeeee
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We want fun 'cos we medically need it! A.W.K.
 
I just think it's a shame when people post beautiful pictures and they get little-to-no attention while the same subject is re-hashed for the 50th time. I dunno. LOL
 
Is it? hehehe:) you sure it's not to bag the F828? or am I in the wrong forum hehehe:) but pssssst don't tell anyone, I'm still going to get one okay......it's a secret :) .......Skippy (Australia)
Shay Stephens said:
If you don't like the current topics, then take a break until the
party dies down, or just start reading posts that are not debate
related. No need to get all huffy :-)
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Shay
http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp

'Cameras are not artists, photographers are.'
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more of an excitement problem than anything else.

It's easier to get excited about a new camera than photos.

Kinda like it's easier to get excited about buying a new car than driving to the office every morning. You'd probably tell everyone in the office about getting a new car but unless something happened on the way in, nobody cares to hear about your drive. ;-)

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Joe
http://www.pbase.com/pyogenes
 
...but yesterday for example were two posts
"Sun Yat Sen garden in Vancouver"
and
"Tulip Festival"
(those are post name approximations)

with some great pictures and requests for advice, and only one person responded to each. I feel bad for those people. 8/ Is it necessary to try and convince Mr. Know It All that 2+2=4 for the 80th time after he says it's 3, when that time could be better spent (IMHO) giving advice to people who ask for it? I dunno.

Jim
 
There are people out there who still don't have many good photographs to show for the money they've spent on cameras they own or for the time spent on making prints.

Noise is why some cameras went to softer algorithms. There are a lot of camera adjustments and software tools out there now. Enough to make results to be pleased with.

Perhaps another issue is it's not so easy to crow about being on the leading edge when the camera has noise issues. That's ok because the review focuses on a camera, as is, with minimal adjustments, not tweaking a camera to it's possible best.

Some people say it's not the camera, it's the photographer. In digital it's the camera, the tweaker skill of the camera and the photographer. This means any semi-pro will get good shots on most mid to high level prosumer cameras because they are willing to understand all settings and adjustments and use them. Yes a time consuming learning curve. If it were true cameras were near perfect then there would be no need to add all the extra features required for certain shots.

The F-828 will rock. That's it's reason for existance and therefore it's destiny. Besides I won't own a DSLR as long as I can avoid it. Why tow a cart of equipment when you don't have to? Too many things to bring is how one of them gets lost or dropped.
JaimeZX said:
(Dons flame suit)

People post beautiful pictures and get one or two responses and
somebody posts "more thoughts on the 828: part 3243" and there are
50, 60, 70 replies! The 828 is gonna be a fine camera, but CAN WE
HOLD OFF ON THE DEBATE UNTIL PHIL REVIEWS IT? Oh! Yay! A picture of
a duck! Some people like it, some don't. GUESS WHAT? NOBODY LIKES
EVERY PICTURE! WOW! A BALL OF YARN! I'd like to stuff it in some
of y'all's mouths! Seriously! Is it really necessary to go over the
finer points of Bayer interpolation and how that's going to affect
this-and-that when seeing Phil's sample pictures is going to do
more to influence our choice than hours of reading Mr.
Smarty-Pants' opinions?

We've all had threads where a photo has been praised, and we've all
had threads that were all but ignored. What makes you feel better?
How about more commentary on pictures taken by STF members and less
on ones "released" by a corporation??

IBthisturnsintoanother828debate

Jim

P.S. - "Mr. Smarty Pants" is no one in particular.
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JaimeZX said:
(Dons flame suit)

People post beautiful pictures and get one or two responses and
somebody posts "more thoughts on the 828: part 3243" and there are
50, 60, 70 replies! The 828 is gonna be a fine camera, but CAN WE
HOLD OFF ON THE DEBATE UNTIL PHIL REVIEWS IT? Oh! Yay! A picture of
a duck! Some people like it, some don't. GUESS WHAT? NOBODY LIKES
EVERY PICTURE! WOW! A BALL OF YARN! I'd like to stuff it in some
of y'all's mouths! Seriously! Is it really necessary to go over the
finer points of Bayer interpolation and how that's going to affect
this-and-that when seeing Phil's sample pictures is going to do
more to influence our choice than hours of reading Mr.
Smarty-Pants' opinions?

We've all had threads where a photo has been praised, and we've all
had threads that were all but ignored. What makes you feel better?
How about more commentary on pictures taken by STF members and less
on ones "released" by a corporation??

IBthisturnsintoanother828debate

Jim

P.S. - "Mr. Smarty Pants" is no one in particular.
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Hmm,

This is Sony Talk Forum...Sony is soon to release a major upgrade...new type of sensor...Canon throws a huge competetor into the mix...let's not talk about it. Pehaps we should look in Samples and Gallerys for the latest info and opinion and leave STF to turn into Photosig.
 
;-) I think you missed my point.

Obviously this is a wonderful forum for discussing Sony products past, present, and future. But it's also a forum for sharing our work and trying to learn from centuries of combined photography experience. When there are several threads per DAY on (for example) the noise issues between the 828 and 300D, I think you'll agree that it's a waste of time for each to turn into a major debate when (a) A simple search would reveal probably that everything on that topic has been covered at least once in a previous thread, and (b) the question is ultimately one of personal opinion that everyone will have to answer for him or herself based on images they see in reviews by Phil and others.

When as I type this there are 11 828 threads on the front page with a combined total of 262 posts, and there are 12 threads of people displaying their work with 79 combined posts... just seems kind of like things are backwards. The people enjoying their current machines should be the ones getting the most attention. IMHO 8)

Jim
Larz Yerxa said:
This is Sony Talk Forum...Sony is soon to release a major
upgrade...new type of sensor...Canon throws a huge competetor into
the mix...let's not talk about it. Pehaps we should look in Samples
and Gallerys for the latest info and opinion and leave STF to turn
into Photosig.
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I have notice the same thing. But this is the internet and people will only post to what interest them. I do find that negative posts produce the largest threads. I guess it is in our nature. I think once the new cameras are out, more people will get back to sharing their wonderful photos with us all, and those who enjoy teaching will add some great comments. But for all those who like the negative things in life, those posts will go on forever. Take care.
JaimeZX said:
...but yesterday for example were two posts
"Sun Yat Sen garden in Vancouver"
and
"Tulip Festival"
(those are post name approximations)
with some great pictures and requests for advice, and only one
person responded to each. I feel bad for those people. 8/ Is it
necessary to try and convince Mr. Know It All that 2+2=4 for the
80th time after he says it's 3, when that time could be better
spent (IMHO) giving advice to people who ask for it? I dunno.

Jim
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Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
 
JaimeZX said:
;-) I think you missed my point.
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Jamie, You haven't been around long enough to know that the rule used to be that you would post images in samples and gallerys EXCEPT for specific issues that one would need to see the image to offer help or encouragement. After a bit of pleading that fell on deaf ears, Phil removed the rule. Some of us old timers used to complain that we had to wade through postings showing random photos without requests for help or advice to get to the photographic and/or camera discussions. Now you object to having to wade through the photographic and/or camera discussions to get to images that should be in Samples and Gallerys.
JaimeZX said:
Obviously this is a wonderful forum for discussing Sony products
past, present, and future. But it's also a forum for sharing our
work and trying to learn from centuries of combined photography
experience. When there are several threads per DAY on (for example)
the noise issues between the 828 and 300D, I think you'll agree
that it's a waste of time for each to turn into a major debate when
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I don't agree that it's a waste. If one looks closely enough, there is often something to learn in most of these threads. It's not really a forum for "sharing our work", but I will concede that often the image needs to be included to help with a specific question or problem, but samples and gallerys or sites like pbase are more appropriate for sharing. That said, since Phil changed his rule, I accept that folks are free to post or share their images here but is seems that by mentioning there are too many camera discussions swings the pendulum in the opposite direction.
JaimeZX said:
(a) A simple search would reveal probably that everything on that
topic has been covered at least once in a previous thread, and (b)
the question is ultimately one of personal opinion that everyone
will have to answer for him or herself based on images they see in
reviews by Phil and others.
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The search feature of this site has been inconsistant at best for several months now.
JaimeZX said:
When as I type this there are 11 828 threads on the front page with
a combined total of 262 posts, and there are 12 threads of people
displaying their work with 79 combined posts... just seems kind of
like things are backwards. The people enjoying their current
machines should be the ones getting the most attention. IMHO 8)
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I'm not sure this forum is about people getting attention, but I could be wrong.

Respectfully,
Larz
 
Larz Yerxa said:
Jamie, You haven't been around long enough to know that the rule
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Larz Yerxa said:
should be in Samples and Gallerys.
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Touché. ;-)
Larz Yerxa said:
I don't agree that it's a waste. If one looks closely enough, there
is often something to learn in most of these threads.
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I never suggested that there's nothing to be learned by debating. Just that 95% of the people seem to be saying the same things over and over day in and day out.
Larz Yerxa said:
It's not really a forum for "sharing our work", but I will concede that
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(snip)
Larz Yerxa said:
discussions swings the pendulum in the opposite direction.
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Interesting. You're right, I guess I haven't been here long enough, and I will usually defer to people who are more OG than me as they are more knowledgable at least in the ways of the forum.
Larz Yerxa said:
The search feature of this site has been inconsistant at best for
several months now.
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Yeah I may concede this point to you, except that there are SO MANY 828 threads that even if search missed 70% of them, I'll bet you could still find your answer. lol
Larz Yerxa said:
Larz Yerxa said:
like things are backwards. The people enjoying their current
machines should be the ones getting the most attention. IMHO 8)
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I'm not sure this forum is about people getting attention, but I
could be wrong.
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Depends on your interpretation of my sentence. ;-)

Regards,

Jim
 
Gene Miller said:
I have notice the same thing. But this is the internet and people
will only post to what interest them. I do find that negative posts
produce the largest threads.
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HAHAH as evidenced by one of my rare bitching sessions. 99.9% of the time I'm extremely positive. 8)~
Gene Miller77510 said:
I guess it is in our nature. I think once the new cameras are out, more
people will get back to sharing their wonderful photos with us all, and
those who enjoy teaching will add some great comments.
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Hopefully you're right. But then another company will release an 828 competitor and the debate will start again... sigh
Gene Miller77510 said:
But for all those who like the negative things in life, those posts will go
on forever. Take care.
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I think you're right. KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT! ;-)

Jim
 
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