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What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?

I originally thought that Nikon was going to blow Sony out of the water in the AF department but it doesn't seem that way. Nikon cannot compete with Sony's eye detection which is pretty impressive and what I know about Sony is that they don't hold back on technology and they give you a LOT for your money. Nikon doesn't have dual SD slots either.

I originally thought that I was going to be able to use all my existing F mount lenses as well as AF-D lenses on the Z6 but it looks like that won't be the case, and for the lenses that will work with the adapter I won't be getting full 5 axis IBIS.

Some Sony ML shooters say they will switch to Nikon now but in a way I find that kind of stupid. I don't think Sony will stay put and not do anything about it because now they HAVE to really improve their bodies, and I think Sony will answer back on their next models.

So why go Nikon now?
 
Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?
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I will buy one right away, as a multiple system user currently own a A7R II in the Sony land, tiny handgrip and overall handling is the only thing that is preventing me from upgrading to the A7R III. I have bunch of nice Zeiss Loxia and GM lenses. it will be a no-brainer for me.

Son for me it doesn't matter is Sony, Nikon Canon, Olympus....... i buy from any of them if I see what I like.
 
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Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?

So why go Nikon now?
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They cannot redesign their mount without dropping all the lenses and the whole EF ecosystem. Pretty much where Nikon is now with F. So Nikon's move towards the larger Z mount is a smart strategy, and will probably win my money, regardless of the next Sony body that comes out.
 
Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?
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Nothing. I like Nikon gear. I have 17 years of NEF files archived and I use Nikon View and Capture software exclusively. I have lenses collected over that time. If I buy an FX MILC, it's going to be a Nikon Z.

 
Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body?
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They would have to for me to even consider them (I have man-sized hands after all).
Batdude said:
What will you do then?
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Nothing. They're still Sony and Nikon is still Nikon.

My lenses, trust, and appreciation for quality glass all reside with Nikon.
Batdude said:
Some Sony ML shooters say they will switch to Nikon now but in a way I find that kind of stupid. I don't think Sony will stay put and not do anything about it because now they HAVE to really improve their bodies, and I think Sony will answer back on their next models.

So why go Nikon now?
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You think people should just sit around waiting to see if they do?
 
Diswantsho said:
Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?

So why go Nikon now?
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They cannot redesign their mount without dropping all the lenses and the whole EF ecosystem. Pretty much where Nikon is now with F. So Nikon's move towards the larger Z mount is a smart strategy, and will probably win my money, regardless of the next Sony body that comes out.
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There is nothing wrong with the Sony FE mount. It does not need any redesign.

What the TO was referring to, as you surely must have understood, is the body design. It is no technical challenge at all to increase the size of the grip if there is enough demand for it.

So far we also haven't seen anything that Sony can't do with the FE mount. Third parties offer f/0.95 lenses for Sony FE, whereas there is a severe lack of fast lenses for the Z mount even when looking at the roadmap until 2021.
 
mick232 said:
Diswantsho said:
Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?

So why go Nikon now?
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They cannot redesign their mount without dropping all the lenses and the whole EF ecosystem. Pretty much where Nikon is now with F. So Nikon's move towards the larger Z mount is a smart strategy, and will probably win my money, regardless of the next Sony body that comes out.
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There is nothing wrong with the Sony FE mount. It does not need any redesign.

What the TO was referring to, as you surely must have understood, is the body design. It is no technical challenge at all to increase the size of the grip if there is enough demand for it.

So far we also haven't seen anything that Sony can't do with the FE mount. Third parties offer f/0.95 lenses for Sony FE, whereas there is a severe lack of fast lenses for the Z mount even when looking at the roadmap until 2021.
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I also referred to the Sony body in my reply. I did not say the Sony mount is flawed. I said the Nikon move to a larger mount is a smart strategy, and will win me over regardless of body changes to a single Sony. It is about long term strategy. Hint: Look at the MTF diagrams on the new Nikkor 50 in an earlier thread in this group, compared to the earlier 50's.
 
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Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?

I originally thought that Nikon was going to blow Sony out of the water in the AF department but it doesn't seem that way. Nikon cannot compete with Sony's eye detection which is pretty impressive and what I know about Sony is that they don't hold back on technology and they give you a LOT for your money. Nikon doesn't have dual SD slots either.

I originally thought that I was going to be able to use all my existing F mount lenses as well as AF-D lenses on the Z6 but it looks like that won't be the case, and for the lenses that will work with the adapter I won't be getting full 5 axis IBIS.

Some Sony ML shooters say they will switch to Nikon now but in a way I find that kind of stupid. I don't think Sony will stay put and not do anything about it because now they HAVE to really improve their bodies, and I think Sony will answer back on their next models.

So why go Nikon now?
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And what if the next batch of Z cameras have Eye AF and better AF than Sony and dual card slots. What will you do then?

It's bad to base your purchases on assumptions, you look what the current system offers you and can you live with it, or go with the other system.

Sony's take on ergonomics is quite clear by now and if you like it go with it, if you prefer Nikon's go with Nikon, but don't expect Sony cameras to become Nikons or vice versa.

I couldn't warm up to Sony, and still have a problem warming up to the EVF in general as the sole way of looking through the camera. For my style of shooting it still takes more than it gives compared to OVF in full frame cameras. But that's my problem and I can completely understand that many others don't share it, and I will most certainly try one of the Zs.
 
Dan_168 said:
Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?
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I will buy one right away, as a multiple system user currently own a A7R II in the Sony land, tiny handgrip and overall handling is the only thing that is preventing me from upgrading to the A7R III. I have bunch of nice Zeiss Loxia and GM lenses. it will be a no-brainer for me.
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Maybe I'm missing something but what are you really getting in the Nikon grip that I haven't already solved with the bottom part of my L bracket attached to my Sony? Sure the Nikon might be 3.5% better since you may be able to get by without adding the bracket (still questionable to me based on side by side comparison images) but I can't see how that would drive someone to sacrifice the many advantages of the A7RIII especially with the lenses you have.

If the Nikon cameras had been a little bit larger I could understand but I'm not seeing the disparity between the two that you are. But if you just have the money and want to blow it I totally get it. I'd buy the Z7 too in that case but I wouldn't blow money that kept me from buying the A7rIII instead.
 
Diswantsho said:
Batdude said:
What if on the next batch of Sony ML bodies they redesign their grip and the over all body? What will you do then?

So why go Nikon now?
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They cannot redesign their mount without dropping all the lenses and the whole EF ecosystem. Pretty much where Nikon is now with F. So Nikon's move towards the larger Z mount is a smart strategy, and will probably win my money, regardless of the next Sony body that comes out.
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This makes for good internet talk but I still haven't seen any real world evidence that shows how this actually matters. Will the 24-70 f4, 35 f1.8, 50 f1.8 lenses be better optically than lenses like the Sony 24-105 f4, 55 f1.8, etc? Will the Nikon 14-30 f4 be better than the Sony 12-24 f4? If the answer is yes then I'm more interested but I'm not sure that's the case. I do know that f /0.95 is 100% irrelevant to me and probably 99.5% of people buying into either system so if that's the only tangible benefit I'll scratch that off the list or considerations between the two systems.
 
Hopefully Sony does redesign the body to address users complaints. Competition is a good thing.
 
Most nikonians couldn't care less what Sony does or does not, from now on. What I think will happen is no Nikon dslrs user will get a Sony FF since Thursday. The scene is set. In 2-3 years Nikon will have 4 bodies, the Z6/7 (updates), then a Z8 like the D850 and a Z1 like the D5.

[Fun bracket: Ten slots, eye-lash and nose hair AF, video up to 1000fps, and more ... ;-)]

And, now seriously again, lenses that will give the Zeiss Otus line some competition, as the 35 and the 50 seem to be doing already, for 1/4 the price.

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rhlpetrus said:
What I think will happen is no Nikon dslrs user will get a Sony FF since Thursday.
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There is zero chance of this. In fact, as the dust settles from the Nikon announcements and everyone has enough information in all of the various areas that are still unclear (real world battery life as compared to Sony, AF as compared to Sony, Z mount lenses as compared to Sony, etc) some Nikon dslr users will surely move forward with plans to move to Sony. Certainly there will be a lot less than before though and there will now be a few Sony users moving to Nikon Z at the same time.
 
Batdude said:
So why go Nikon now?
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You missed Nikon's message, though they have been screaming it over and over and over.

Superior optical performance. That's where they've planted their flag for the Z system. They couldn't be clearer about it. They are directly saying that their S-line lenses will be the best ever made for 35mm format systems, and that their mount geometry is what enables this. Sony would have to change their mount again to match this capability.

Now, maybe you don't believe Nikon, or maybe ultimate optical performance isn't important to you. It isn't to me, so this value proposition doesn't really interest me very much. But that's the horse Nikon is riding.
 
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Clayton1985 said:
rhlpetrus said:
What I think will happen is no Nikon dslrs user will get a Sony FF since Thursday.
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There is zero chance of this. In fact, as the dust settles from the Nikon announcements and everyone has enough information in all of the various areas that are still unclear (real world battery life as compared to Sony, AF as compared to Sony, Z mount lenses as compared to Sony, etc) some Nikon dslr users will surely move forward with plans to move to Sony. Certainly there will be a lot less than before though and there will now be a few Sony users moving to Nikon Z at the same time.
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Also those " moving back" from Sony, myself included,

Well, not so much of a move back as I am a multiple system user and current have D850 and D500 and A7R II, only reason I have an A7R II was because they are the only game in town, never a fan of their ergonomics and control layout, so my A7R II is on Craigslist for few weeks, just hope I can get rid of it soon, tried the A7R III for few weeks and decided stay away from it, so whether I am getting the Z7 this time or stay put and wait for the next round, I am not buying a new Sony, especially now knowing Nikon is making ML nabout 40ow, and Canon is probably not far behind. but if Sony one day put out a much larger A7R 4 I have no hesitation to get one, I have no brand loyalty.
 
Dan_168 said:
Clayton1985 said:
rhlpetrus said:
What I think will happen is no Nikon dslrs user will get a Sony FF since Thursday.
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There is zero chance of this. In fact, as the dust settles from the Nikon announcements and everyone has enough information in all of the various areas that are still unclear (real world battery life as compared to Sony, AF as compared to Sony, Z mount lenses as compared to Sony, etc) some Nikon dslr users will surely move forward with plans to move to Sony. Certainly there will be a lot less than before though and there will now be a few Sony users moving to Nikon Z at the same time.
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Also those " moving back" from Sony, myself included,

Well, not so much of a move back as I am a multiple system user and current have D850 and D500 and A7R II, only reason I have an A7R II was because they are the only game in town, never a fan of their ergonomics and control layout, so my A7R II is on Craigslist for few weeks, just hope I can get rid of it soon, tried the A7R III for few weeks and decided stay away from it, so whether I am getting the Z7 this time or stay put and wait for the next round, I am not buying a new Sony, especially now knowing Nikon is making ML nabout 40ow, and Canon is probably not far behind. but if Sony one day put out a much larger A7R 4 I have no hesitation to get one, I have no brand loyalty.
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You probably need to lower the price if its been sitting there for weeks. You will probably have to go even lower thanks to the announcement of the Z series.

I will offer $800 for your camera. :)
 
Clayton1985 said:
rhlpetrus said:
What I think will happen is no Nikon dslrs user will get a Sony FF since Thursday.
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There is zero chance of this. In fact, as the dust settles from the Nikon announcements and everyone has enough information in all of the various areas that are still unclear (real world battery life as compared to Sony, AF as compared to Sony, Z mount lenses as compared to Sony, etc) some Nikon dslr users will surely move forward with plans to move to Sony. Certainly there will be a lot less than before though and there will now be a few Sony users moving to Nikon Z at the same time.
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Let’s bet a virtual bottle of Chateau D’Yquem and run a poll in the Nikon dslr forum?
 
peripheralfocus said:
Batdude said:
So why go Nikon now?
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You missed Nikon's message, though they have been screaming it over and over and over.

Superior optical performance. That's where they've planted their flag for the Z system. They couldn't be clearer about it. They are directly saying that their S-line lenses will be the best ever made for 35mm format systems, and that their mount geometry is what enables this. Sony would have to change their mount again to match this capability.

Now, maybe you don't believe Nikon, or maybe ultimate optical performance isn't important to you. It isn't to me, so this value proposition doesn't really interest me very much. But that's the horse Nikon is riding.
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I'm all for optical quality but I wonder how much S-line quality is going to cost?
 
rjjr said:
I'm all for optical quality but I wonder how much S-line quality is going to cost?
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A lot, for sure. More than I will likely want to pay.

I'm not saying that ultimate quality is what I personally want, or would build if I owned a camera company. I'm just pointing out what Nikon is clearly aiming for here. And they are clearly articulating it.
 
tqlla said:
Dan_168 said:
Clayton1985 said:
rhlpetrus said:
What I think will happen is no Nikon dslrs user will get a Sony FF since Thursday.
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There is zero chance of this. In fact, as the dust settles from the Nikon announcements and everyone has enough information in all of the various areas that are still unclear (real world battery life as compared to Sony, AF as compared to Sony, Z mount lenses as compared to Sony, etc) some Nikon dslr users will surely move forward with plans to move to Sony. Certainly there will be a lot less than before though and there will now be a few Sony users moving to Nikon Z at the same time.
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Also those " moving back" from Sony, myself included,

Well, not so much of a move back as I am a multiple system user and current have D850 and D500 and A7R II, only reason I have an A7R II was because they are the only game in town, never a fan of their ergonomics and control layout, so my A7R II is on Craigslist for few weeks, just hope I can get rid of it soon, tried the A7R III for few weeks and decided stay away from it, so whether I am getting the Z7 this time or stay put and wait for the next round, I am not buying a new Sony, especially now knowing Nikon is making ML nabout 40ow, and Canon is probably not far behind. but if Sony one day put out a much larger A7R 4 I have no hesitation to get one, I have no brand loyalty.
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You probably need to lower the price if its been sitting there for weeks. You will probably have to go even lower thanks to the announcement of the Z series.

I will offer $800 for your camera. :)
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Absolutely, I will lower the price, but I am happy to see the Z even that means I have to lower the prince more as I can see there is a camera I like better waiting for me, LOL. it's only money, LOL.
 
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