How can you know that the colors of the yarn are true to life? Do you own those exact same yarns? Your baseless defense shows your bias.
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Mikael Nordenberg
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I dont think those yarn pictures qualifies for
measuring the performance of this cam for
the following reasons:
1. This is more a "macro" than the other two,
in effect requireing a lot less mp to achieve good results.
There are very large patches of the same color, and
this is hiding artifacts that high frequency variation of color
would have shown, ie color bleed.
2. No one has any info what the real colors are.
(The other two images are better in this respect.)
Also I wouldn't think the coating of the lens could limit
the ca anyway, it's a property of the lens design, not
the coating.
(Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Mikael
measuring the performance of this cam for
the following reasons:
1. This is more a "macro" than the other two,
in effect requireing a lot less mp to achieve good results.
There are very large patches of the same color, and
this is hiding artifacts that high frequency variation of color
would have shown, ie color bleed.
2. No one has any info what the real colors are.
(The other two images are better in this respect.)
Also I wouldn't think the coating of the lens could limit
the ca anyway, it's a property of the lens design, not
the coating.
(Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Mikael
Mikael Nordenberg
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I would believe it's noise level is the same all over the
picture, I'ts just that the eyes can't detect it if its
hidden is "real" detail.
It would be very unlogical that the noise reduction
algorithm left more noise in the solid colors.
Mikael
picture, I'ts just that the eyes can't detect it if its
hidden is "real" detail.
It would be very unlogical that the noise reduction
algorithm left more noise in the solid colors.
Mikael
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photography spectrum you are from . Better run out and get the most expensive camera so you can take a good shot.
Ahh ha ha ha ha~
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Ahh ha ha ha ha~
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by your focus on the gear. Keep buying.
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Matthew Cromer
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\> How can you know that the colors of the yarn are true to life?
Based on the other samples I have seen, all show a richness of palette that LOOKS more realistic.
Color accuracy doesn't require a full-sized shot, and Sony has a bunch of smaller thumbnail samples -- the colors on all of them look qualitatively better than what we have seen before from Sony.
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Based on the other samples I have seen, all show a richness of palette that LOOKS more realistic.
Color accuracy doesn't require a full-sized shot, and Sony has a bunch of smaller thumbnail samples -- the colors on all of them look qualitatively better than what we have seen before from Sony.
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Matthew Cromer
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There is a ton of micro detail in this shot resolved by this camera. Look at the frame and at the surrounding fabric.
No but the colors have a richness and subtlety that the Sony cameras haven't been known for until now. Compare the two yarn shots and look at the subtleties of the 4-color pallette in comparison with the Bayer palette.
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Mikael Nordenberg
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Personally, I tink the frame looks terrible. Not very sharp or detailed.
What I'd like to see is high frequency color edges, which,
unlike the fabric, isn't large patches of similar colors.
Mikael
What I'd like to see is high frequency color edges, which,
unlike the fabric, isn't large patches of similar colors.
Mikael
yes and as soon as i get a sony 828 i am gonna
go shoot yarn pictures - be realistic already...
i dont know what you're smoking but whatever
it is, save me some !
there's no comparison between the sony 828
and the canon 300d - the 300d wins hands
down on image quality - i own a sony as well
but i am not a brand loyalist - i only go with
whatever yields the best result - i am not blind
and i am not gonna lie to myself - i just feel
sorry for those who remain convinced that the
earth is flat. sucks to be you.
GiGo
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go shoot yarn pictures - be realistic already...
i dont know what you're smoking but whatever
it is, save me some !
there's no comparison between the sony 828
and the canon 300d - the 300d wins hands
down on image quality - i own a sony as well
but i am not a brand loyalist - i only go with
whatever yields the best result - i am not blind
and i am not gonna lie to myself - i just feel
sorry for those who remain convinced that the
earth is flat. sucks to be you.
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Matthew Cromer
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Guillaume in Paris
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Please have a look at my photos then dare to say that again!
Frankly, I'm not trying to convince you my D60 is better than the 828. Of course it is. The fact is, I don't like Sony's touch much, compared to Nikon digicams or of course, Canon digicams. I think these test pics show no special color accuracy, weird move from sony (who would buy after only watching a wool shot?). I think this camera still has the digicam touch, I was expecting some competition from a 8-pixel camera with revolutionnary bayer pattern.
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Frankly, I'm not trying to convince you my D60 is better than the 828. Of course it is. The fact is, I don't like Sony's touch much, compared to Nikon digicams or of course, Canon digicams. I think these test pics show no special color accuracy, weird move from sony (who would buy after only watching a wool shot?). I think this camera still has the digicam touch, I was expecting some competition from a 8-pixel camera with revolutionnary bayer pattern.
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Matthew Cromer
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I'll compare my landscape shots to yours. All I saw were sports pix though. 
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Guillaume in Paris
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that's true!! I don't even have one!
Nice pics on pbase. Sony should hand you a 828 to help them sell it: wool balls are pathetic!!
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Nice pics on pbase. Sony should hand you a 828 to help them sell it: wool balls are pathetic!!
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Matt,
I'd put my money on you on this one.I've seen your work and admire your eye and knowlege. Know we always didnt agree on things, but you do have a good eye and know your tools.
Guillaume,first off he didnt shoot the olympics with a coolpix. That the photographer made clear. And to make the following statement;
"The shots he made with the coolpix can be made with any other camera, and probably by any "non-newbie" photographer. It's not the photographer that counts, with a coolpix, it's such a nonsense... "
and
" He sure is a great photographer and I'd like to be in his skin but everyone can shoot landscapes with such an insignificant digicam like the 5700... and it's the same about the wing of an airplane above clouds..."
So you say he is a great photographer and you'd like to be in his skin but anyone can shoot what he does with and insignificant camera like a coolpix. Talk about being a hypocrite. You have no credibility with me. I'd bet on your best day with any camera on the planet you couldnt do what this guy does with a prosumer camera. Give us all a break, please. And dont insult this mans work unless you can do better.
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I'd put my money on you on this one.I've seen your work and admire your eye and knowlege. Know we always didnt agree on things, but you do have a good eye and know your tools.
Guillaume,first off he didnt shoot the olympics with a coolpix. That the photographer made clear. And to make the following statement;
"The shots he made with the coolpix can be made with any other camera, and probably by any "non-newbie" photographer. It's not the photographer that counts, with a coolpix, it's such a nonsense... "
and
" He sure is a great photographer and I'd like to be in his skin but everyone can shoot landscapes with such an insignificant digicam like the 5700... and it's the same about the wing of an airplane above clouds..."
So you say he is a great photographer and you'd like to be in his skin but anyone can shoot what he does with and insignificant camera like a coolpix. Talk about being a hypocrite. You have no credibility with me. I'd bet on your best day with any camera on the planet you couldnt do what this guy does with a prosumer camera. Give us all a break, please. And dont insult this mans work unless you can do better.
--I'll compare my landscape shots to yours. All I saw were sports
pix though.
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While the yarn shot is much better than the previous sample shots, it still isn't that great. It's noisy, and lacks detail (maybe because of in camera NR? Seems strange with sharpening done in camera as well).
What one really has to ask is, why are Sony releasing such mediocre sample pictures? Aren't they supposed to be WOW pictures that make you want to buy the camera? Not pictures that make you want to argue that 'hopefully it will be better on final release'. This doesn't look good for Sony at all. I wonder if they have resorted to desperate measures to try and hold the flood gates on 300D sales...
I like the colour comparison though. It's a shame that the pictures aren't taken with the same settings however. Hardly a fair comparison, but nice all the same.
What one really has to ask is, why are Sony releasing such mediocre sample pictures? Aren't they supposed to be WOW pictures that make you want to buy the camera? Not pictures that make you want to argue that 'hopefully it will be better on final release'. This doesn't look good for Sony at all. I wonder if they have resorted to desperate measures to try and hold the flood gates on 300D sales...
I like the colour comparison though. It's a shame that the pictures aren't taken with the same settings however. Hardly a fair comparison, but nice all the same.
Scott Doyle
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This picture could have been taken with a 3 MP camera. Of course you couldn't crop in as much. I'm looking for a sample picture that is outdoors of a lake with boats or something. Why do camera makers choose to submit mainly close up pictures of stuff? I understand they want to show the color contrast, but how about a picture of everyday life that people can really relate to...
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