Its all well having a camera that shoots gazillion burst images, but

nebulla said:

Starting to clean up and get rid of the excess pictures which I took when I had the E-M1 Mark ii, but what a pain when you have to delete all the duplicates images. It is not only time consuming, but it gets a little tedious too.

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I bet you are doing it wrong way.

1) When you have the moment after the burst, go to Playback

2) Go to the frame that is good and you want to keep

3) Press REC button to mark it and go to other frame that you want to keep

4) After marking all frames you want to keep, press LOCK button on screen, menu or button (if you have such).

5) All the marked images are now locked.

6) Go to Menu > Card > Delete All, and accept. Now every file that was not locked gets deleted. DO NOT select "Format" as that initialize the card and will rewrite the filesystem and you lose access to all the files. Delete All will delete all files that are not locked.

nebulla said:

Sometimes I wonder if it is worth having a camera that shoots more than 8-10 FPS. Surely one should be able to get one decent picture out of 5FPS or at the most 8FPS. What do you think?

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Why one should use the maximum capability? Set different Custom Profiles for the task. Most should be fine at 4-5 FPS and some situations requires 60 FPS.

alcelc said:

IMHO burst is only useful to BIF/sport type of shooting which need to catch fast moving object that do not allow us the time to focus properly. So more like a trial and error shooting.

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There are many uses of burst other than what you say. I shoot insects, I have my focus so there is no trial and error but my objective may be may be to catch the actual moment of feeding. With a butterfly recently in 35 frames, its antennae and proboscis moved in every frame so that's 35 frames in just over half a second. Extremely important and why the G9 is life changing for me.

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alcelc said:

IMHO burst is only useful to BIF/sport type of shooti

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Burst is very useful when you have to use very slow shutter speed, especially with telelenses. Like 1/10 sec with a 300mm. There is much higher chance of getting one sharp image, if you have a burst of 10 or 20. Both because a photographer was still at that very moment, or the subject.

Also if you shoot handheld macro - much higher chance the subject is in perfect focus, if you have a burst of 10-20 to choose from.

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That's why I like 4K photo mode. Instead of 50 very similar files, you have one video that you extract the 1-2 solid frames from.

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As I said, that is a hellish life, IMO:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61534888

Going through thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of frames to find the 1-2 solid frames. Not for me. Of course, some people get masochistic pleasure from this sort of thing, I guess.

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You can extract the few stills in camera quite easily. And you shouldn't be shooting 5 minute videos. More like 5-10 seconds as if it was a regular burst shot.

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"5-10 seconds" bursts at 60fps is 300-600 frames to go through and each frame is separated by 1/60 second so many of them are identical or very close to identical. To me, but not to you, going through all of those to find the "1-2 solid frames" would be torture. And, I suspect, in a single day of shooting this way one wouldn't have just one "5-10 seconds" burst. One would have several, many, a whole lot of "5-10 seconds" bursts so then one would have thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of frames to go through. Shooting at 30fps would hardly be better and some even say they want to shoot at 120fps to get the "1-2 solid frames". I am elated that you have the gear to do this. As I said though, it sounds like Hell on Earth to me.

My earlier post about just that:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61534888

Let's see, how many seconds are there in a basketball or soccer game? 60fps times that number of seconds. How many individual frames would that be? Even if you just take spurts of video during the game of a few seconds each you would likely have many of those video bursts at 60fps each. Even if each burst was only 5 seconds then that would be 300 frames per burst. And with the continuous action in those and many other sports you might not want to take the chance of just taking video bursts.

I return from a trip such as my recent trip to Turkey for a month with usually around 3000 photos. I find it almost excruciating to go through them all in Lightroom over several weeks, selecting the ones I want to work on, and then working on them for my website. And they are not even almost identical photos separated by 1/60 second. 3000 in a month of travel. I personally would rather be dead than have to go through 35,000 or 60,000 or 1,000,000 or whatever number of frames in 60fps video (or as he says, even 120fps video!). And not even having the luxury of spreading it over several weeks.

Imagine coming back from a trip with hours of 30fps, 60fps, or 120fps video and then wanting to select the best frames for still photos? As I said, I am happy for you that you want to do that. I don't, but I sure don't mind that others do.

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This is silly.

1) Sorting through images shouldn't be that strenuous. I regularly shoot > 1000 in a day, and have them sorted within an hour or two. Just find some decent software and rate them. I sort images at about 1-2 second per image. Your 3000 images would take around 1.5 hours to sort out.

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Similar for me. I often have 500 to 1000 images in a day. I do a first cut "long list" (simple "Accept/Reject", no rating) at around 1 second per image, so 600 images take around 10 minutes.

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Post processing obviously takes longer, but you're not going to be post processing 3000 images.

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Indeed so. A recent 1700 shot session produced 150 in the long list for batch processing. I then worked through these (doing copied adjustments for groups of similar images as I went) to produce a short list of 24 which got individually processed, of which 8 were rejected, 16 kept.

All entirely manageable.

nebulla said:

Starting to clean up and get rid of the excess pictures which I took when I had the E-M1 Mark ii, but what a pain when you have to delete all the duplicates images.

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Way too many posts that add nothing to the debate.

Agreed.

But would that belonging to sort of BIF similar shooting, that we need to catch the fast action making single shot not the best to use? 4K/6K photo could be the best for it I think?

I shoot motorsports, sell at least 100 photos from every event. Always shoot CAF but one shot at a time, never bursts.

Trevor Carpenter said:

alcelc said:

IMHO burst is only useful to BIF/sport type of shooting which need to catch fast moving object that do not allow us the time to focus properly. So more like a trial and error shooting.

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There are many uses of burst other than what you say. I shoot insects, I have my focus so there is no trial and error but my objective may be may be to catch the actual moment of feeding. With a butterfly recently in 35 frames, its antennae and proboscis moved in every frame so that's 35 frames in just over half a second. Extremely important and why the G9 is life changing for me.

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Glad that you are enjoying the G9 so much Trevor. Is'n t it great when you finally find a camera you like that works for you? I still enjoy shooting with the E-M1, and especially with the Canon lenses attached to the Viltrox, but even so and after so many Nikon cameras starting with the D70 right up to the D7200 , I am glad that I made the change to Canon. I love the Canon D7 Mark ii which I purchased a few months ago, and for sports and wildlife, I could not have picked a more suitable camera. I really do not feel that I will ever need any other camera, especially as I am older now. Not saying that Nikon is not just as good.. Just saying that I like Canon more , and especially the D7 Mark ii. Glad to see that Nikon has finally joined the mirrowless market with Canon soon to follow, but I know that I won't be interested as weight and size has never bothered me. On the subject of burst mode, no one is denying the fact that it is a necessary tool , and probably why I am so keen on the Canon with its fast 10fps. Still, I try to keep it regulated to about 5fps in short bursts. Regardless of cheap storage space, I need to go though my pictures after a shoot and delete the non keepers.

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nebulla said:

Starting to clean up and get rid of the excess pictures which I took when I had the E-M1 Mark ii, but what a pain when you have to delete all the duplicates images. It is not only time consuming, but it gets a little tedious too.

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I bet you are doing it wrong way.

1) When you have the moment after the burst, go to Playback

2) Go to the frame that is good and you want to keep

3) Press REC button to mark it and go to other frame that you want to keep

4) After marking all frames you want to keep, press LOCK button on screen, menu or button (if you have such).

5) All the marked images are now locked.

6) Go to Menu > Card > Delete All, and accept. Now every file that was not locked gets deleted. DO NOT select "Format" as that initialize the card and will rewrite the filesystem and you lose access to all the files. Delete All will delete all files that are not locked.

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Thanks Tommi , but I find that looking at the image on the camera is not the same as on my computer. I have seen images that I take which looks good on the camera monitor and looks like crap when I take it to the computer. However, I appreciate the info that you provided and will give it a try next time.

Ansel

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Sometimes I wonder if it is worth having a camera that shoots more than 8-10 FPS. Surely one should be able to get one decent picture out of 5FPS or at the most 8FPS. What do you think?

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Why one should use the maximum capability? Set different Custom Profiles for the task. Most should be fine at 4-5 FPS and some situations requires 60 FPS.

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Agreed. Finding the very best images out of 10 x 10-burst shots is hard enough. Finding the very best images out of 10x 100-burst shots is a true labour of love.

Skills of A: “capturing the moment” replaced by B: “finding the moment in there somewhere”.

But devotees of “B” can always claim “A” credentials.

Trevor Carpenter said:

alcelc said:

IMHO burst is only useful to BIF/sport type of shooting which need to catch fast moving object that do not allow us the time to focus properly. So more like a trial and error shooting.

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There are many uses of burst other than what you say. I shoot insects, I have my focus so there is no trial and error but my objective may be may be to catch the actual moment of feeding. With a butterfly recently in 35 frames, its antennae and proboscis moved in every frame so that's 35 frames in just over half a second. Extremely important and why the G9 is life changing for me.

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Yes it is just another tool and can be used very effectively where the situation suits. Surely those that use it just because it is there will soon enough pay the price in front of a hot computer sorting through the excess ....

Mostly for me it is just a party trick to show off in front of dslr body owners.

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Trevor Carpenter said:

alcelc said:

IMHO burst is only useful to BIF/sport type of shooting which need to catch fast moving object that do not allow us the time to focus properly. So more like a trial and error shooting.

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There are many uses of burst other than what you say. I shoot insects, I have my focus so there is no trial and error but my objective may be may be to catch the actual moment of feeding. With a butterfly recently in 35 frames, its antennae and proboscis moved in every frame so that's 35 frames in just over half a second. Extremely important and why the G9 is life changing for me.

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Yes it is just another tool and can be used very effectively where the situation suits. Surely those that use it just because it is there will soon enough pay the price in front of a hot computer sorting through the excess ....

Mostly for me it is just a party trick to show off in front of dslr body owners.

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yeah but these frame rates get boring after about 5 years of using them

nebulla said:

Starting to clean up and get rid of the excess pictures which I took when I had the E-M1 Mark ii, but what a pain when you have to delete all the duplicates images. It is not only time consuming, but it gets a little tedious too. Sometimes I wonder if it is worth having a camera that shoots more than 8-10 FPS. Surely one should be able to get one decent picture out of 5FPS or at the most 8FPS. What do you think?

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I feel your pain. I just came back from a road trip shooting high speed preburst to capture birds. I normally don't shoot a lot of burst, and when I did, it was with panning for slow shutter on automotive action.


Because the preburst is only in high speed mode, 12-30 shots per second, it produces a lot of similar looking shots. And every burst, I get 24-60 shots. And, I keep about 2 to 3 out of each burst. Dam it takes a lot of effort to go through all that.

I'm still in the process after 1.5 hours of going through several hundred shots. 2 hundred more, and I'm done. That will be the last time I go nuts with the preburst.


I say, it's well worth it to have a feature like pre burst where you capture one second before you press the shutter, and one second after. And, it's a specialty feature used for specific applications. And something that shouldn't be used a lot.

IN the past, 3 to 6 fps was enough to get the shots for most sports action, because the sequence is predictable. But when there are things that initiate quickly like a bird about to take off, a pre burst is the only way to get the shot on time before you press the shutter.

Also, if you have action that moves unpredictably and fast, having a fast burst can help. Like in high speed photography.

Thus it's good to have fast burst with long sustain, but it also comes at a cost of time.

You don't say? ;-)

Wu Jiaqiu said:

Tom Caldwell said:

Trevor Carpenter said:

alcelc said:

IMHO burst is only useful to BIF/sport type of shooting which need to catch fast moving object that do not allow us the time to focus properly. So more like a trial and error shooting.

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There are many uses of burst other than what you say. I shoot insects, I have my focus so there is no trial and error but my objective may be may be to catch the actual moment of feeding. With a butterfly recently in 35 frames, its antennae and proboscis moved in every frame so that's 35 frames in just over half a second. Extremely important and why the G9 is life changing for me.

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Yes it is just another tool and can be used very effectively where the situation suits. Surely those that use it just because it is there will soon enough pay the price in front of a hot computer sorting through the excess ....

Mostly for me it is just a party trick to show off in front of dslr body owners.

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yeah but these frame rates get boring after about 5 years of using them

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Yes, remember how “sexy” that pro-shooter dslr body sounded with the chunka-chunka-chunka sound as it slowly rolled those images out before the buffer filled. Then wait-a-minute while the buffer caught up ... At least the capture rate was slow enough to be able to see the difference (sometimes).

Room for an “artificial” optionally applied soundtrack for ML bodies? Each chunka being worth ten captures ...

Tom Caldwell said:

Wu Jiaqiu said:

Tom Caldwell said:

Trevor Carpenter said:

alcelc said:

IMHO burst is only useful to BIF/sport type of shooting which need to catch fast moving object that do not allow us the time to focus properly. So more like a trial and error shooting.

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There are many uses of burst other than what you say. I shoot insects, I have my focus so there is no trial and error but my objective may be may be to catch the actual moment of feeding. With a butterfly recently in 35 frames, its antennae and proboscis moved in every frame so that's 35 frames in just over half a second. Extremely important and why the G9 is life changing for me.

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Yes it is just another tool and can be used very effectively where the situation suits. Surely those that use it just because it is there will soon enough pay the price in front of a hot computer sorting through the excess ....

Mostly for me it is just a party trick to show off in front of dslr body owners.

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yeah but these frame rates get boring after about 5 years of using them

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Yes, remember how “sexy” that pro-shooter dslr body sounded with the chunka-chunka-chunka sound as it slowly rolled those images out before the buffer filled. Then wait-a-minute while the buffer caught up ... At least the capture rate was slow enough to be able to see the difference (sometimes).

Room for an “artificial” optionally applied soundtrack for ML bodies? Each chunka being worth ten captures ...

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there is something likeable about shooting a chunka chunk burst at 8fps, shooting silently is a bit....well boring

nebulla said:

Starting to clean up and get rid of the excess pictures which I took when I had the E-M1 Mark ii, but what a pain when you have to delete all the duplicates images. It is not only time consuming, but it gets a little tedious too. Sometimes I wonder if it is worth having a camera that shoots more than 8-10 FPS. Surely one should be able to get one decent picture out of 5FPS or at the most 8FPS. What do you think?

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There is software that can easily and quickly cull out your duplicates.

Good luck.

Hung

Tom Caldwell said:

Agreed. Finding the very best images out of 10 x 10-burst shots is hard enough. Finding the very best images out of 10x 100-burst shots is a true labour of love.

Skills of A: “capturing the moment” replaced by B: “finding the moment in there somewhere”.

But devotees of “B” can always claim “A” credentials.

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That is known as the Spray and Pray style of photography.