Olympus says OM-D is “weatherproof”

Correct. Fungus takes time to form, and in fact most photographers who are familiar with shooting in and/ or live humid environments know that optics and many other things including images require special care. A sealed lens can even be a bigger problem — humid air will enter during use and when left sitting or even worse when exposed to colder temperatures may encourage the growth of fungus and mold.
That is very much on topic.
Quite.
Good thinking. I had not thought of this. Mostly at risk would be external focusing lenses with a long extension (I mean those that breathe a lot of air). As well as collapsible designs. Thanks to the weather sealing, humidity once inside the lens body will tend to stay inside. In the tropics/subtropics warm moist air that enters during the day could condense once the lens is back in the cool air-conditioned home.
All lenses "breathe" when the elements move back and forth. And, yes, air-conditioning can cause problems both when going out and coming home.
Then again... fungus was a great problem in the past, it certainly still is for collectors of old lenses. But I have not heard it to be much of a problem nowadays?
It still happens. Ask anyone (such as Dennis ... ) about the risks in humid locations. Many of our longer lasting members here who live in cold, dark and humid climates have spoken about the need for drying/storage controlled environment cupboards over the years. I'm sure that other fora here would have similar discussions from time to time.
Probably because of modern lens bonding cements based on moisture resistant Acrylate and Epoxy. Remember, historically lenses were bonded with "Canada Balsam" which is the sap of the Balsam tree (we also used it to mount microscope slides, then switched to Eukitt sometime in the 70's which eliminated the need to worry about the water pressure of the solvent). Also, I believe that the edges of lenses (I mean the outer periphery of a glass lens or element) are nowadays painted/sealed with a black paint or resin - the main purpose is against internal reflections that can cause flare and reduce contrast. But I could imagine it also helps to keep fungus at bay.

I do not know, is fungus still a problem that we need to worry about? And if so, would it have any warranty implications (I mean, can fungus grow that fast?)
It doesn't grow fast, but grow it does.
Darkness, coolness/warmth and humidity are its friends; light, warmth and dryness will stop anything from becoming 'infected' - leather sandals, or camera gear ;-)

Even here in Melbourne, I keep all my cameras in their (about six) bags on the floor of our north facing living room - much to my wife's horror ... This keeps them warm, dry and in the light. I have never had any fungus in any of my camera gear in over 60 years, thank goodness!

Have had the occasional mouldy leather sandals/work boots, however ... :-)
 
Exactly, Dennis.

My father ruined several bits of gear in SE Queensland (very humid) by storing them in silica gel. Big problem is when the silica gel becomes saturated. After that, it exacerbates the problem. Wrecked his Nikon gear.
Use the silica gel that is mixed with color markers (some of the granules turn blue or orange when dry). I do not like it in bags. I fill the granules into surplus metal cans from the kitchen. Just take the lid off when you need them to do their job. You need to watch the color in regular intervals. Once they loose the color they are saturated with water. Put them in the kitchen oven to regenerate, about 100 degreees C overnight is fine.

Recently I found a much cheaper source for silica gel: sold in supermarket as cat litter crystals. They even come with the blue markers. Still have to test them, but I think they will work fine.

A different alternative is to use "molecular sieve". It has different water adsorption characteristics, may be better suited depending how you use them and what you want to achieve.
 
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Exactly, Dennis.

My father ruined several bits of gear in SE Queensland (very humid) by storing them in silica gel. Big problem is when the silica gel becomes saturated. After that, it exacerbates the problem. Wrecked his Nikon gear.
Use the silica gel that is mixed with color markers (some of the granules turn blue or orange when dry). I do not like it in bags. I fill the granules into surplus metal cans from the kitchen. Just take the lid off when you need them to do their job. You need to watch the color in regular intervals. Once they loose the color they are saturated with water. Put them in the kitchen oven to regenerate, about 100 degreees C overnight is fine.

Recently I found a much cheaper source for silica gel: sold in supermarket as cat litter crystals. They even come with the blue markers. Still have to test them, but I think they will work fine.

A different alternative is to use "molecular sieve". It has different water adsorption characteristics, may be better suited depending how you use them and what you want to achieve.
CB, I don't think this is particularly problematic in our Melbourne 'climate' (lol - weather ... ). Just avoid keeping your gear in humid, dark, cold/hot environments.

It usually takes years for fungus to manifest itself in a lens.

BTW, I'm pretty familiar with kitty litter ... :-D
 
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Correct. Fungus takes time to form, and in fact most photographers who are familiar with shooting in and/ or live humid environments know that optics and many other things including images require special care. A sealed lens can even be a bigger problem — humid air will enter during use and when left sitting or even worse when exposed to colder temperatures may encourage the growth of fungus and mold.
That is very much on topic.
Quite.
Good thinking. I had not thought of this. Mostly at risk would be external focusing lenses with a long extension (I mean those that breathe a lot of air). As well as collapsible designs. Thanks to the weather sealing, humidity once inside the lens body will tend to stay inside. In the tropics/subtropics warm moist air that enters during the day could condense once the lens is back in the cool air-conditioned home.
All lenses "breathe" when the elements move back and forth. And, yes, air-conditioning can cause problems both when going out and coming home.
Not all do. For example, many binoculars and telescope eyepieces and gun sights are filled with (dry) Nitrogen or Argon or similar. Exactly to avoid condensation. I would have assumed that internally focusing lenses (such as most primes) would be the same?
Then again... fungus was a great problem in the past, it certainly still is for collectors of old lenses. But I have not heard it to be much of a problem nowadays?
It still happens. Ask anyone (such as Dennis ... ) about the risks in humid locations. Many of our longer lasting members here who live in cold, dark and humid climates have spoken about the need for drying/storage controlled environment cupboards over the years. I'm sure that other fora here would have similar discussions from time to time.
oops. Now I have a new project. Make a dry storage box.
Probably because of modern lens bonding cements based on moisture resistant Acrylate and Epoxy. Remember, historically lenses were bonded with "Canada Balsam" which is the sap of the Balsam tree (we also used it to mount microscope slides, then switched to Eukitt sometime in the 70's which eliminated the need to worry about the water pressure of the solvent). Also, I believe that the edges of lenses (I mean the outer periphery of a glass lens or element) are nowadays painted/sealed with a black paint or resin - the main purpose is against internal reflections that can cause flare and reduce contrast. But I could imagine it also helps to keep fungus at bay.

I do not know, is fungus still a problem that we need to worry about? And if so, would it have any warranty implications (I mean, can fungus grow that fast?)
It doesn't grow fast, but grow it does.
Darkness, coolness/warmth and humidity are its friends; light, warmth and dryness will stop anything from becoming 'infected' - leather sandals, or camera gear ;-)

Even here in Melbourne, I keep all my cameras in their (about six) bags on the floor of our north facing living room - much to my wife's horror ... This keeps them warm, dry and in the light. I have never had any fungus in any of my camera gear in over 60 years, thank goodness!

Have had the occasional mouldy leather sandals/work boots, however ... :-)
Thanks for the insights. I just returned to the hobby after 25 years without a "real" camera....
 
Exactly, Dennis.

My father ruined several bits of gear in SE Queensland (very humid) by storing them in silica gel. Big problem is when the silica gel becomes saturated. After that, it exacerbates the problem. Wrecked his Nikon gear.
Use the silica gel that is mixed with color markers (some of the granules turn blue or orange when dry). I do not like it in bags. I fill the granules into surplus metal cans from the kitchen. Just take the lid off when you need them to do their job. You need to watch the color in regular intervals. Once they loose the color they are saturated with water. Put them in the kitchen oven to regenerate, about 100 degreees C overnight is fine.

Recently I found a much cheaper source for silica gel: sold in supermarket as cat litter crystals. They even come with the blue markers. Still have to test them, but I think they will work fine.

A different alternative is to use "molecular sieve". It has different water adsorption characteristics, may be better suited depending how you use them and what you want to achieve.
CB, I don't think this is particularly problematic in our Melbourne 'climate' (lol - weather ... ). Just avoid keeping your gear in humid, dark, cold/hot environments.

It usually takes years for fungus to manifest itself in a lens.

BTW, I'm pretty familiar with kitty litter ... :-D
Good. I use the the silica gel to protect my machine tools from rust. For the cat I prefer Bentonite :)
 
That's "balance of probabilities".

You also neglect to mention the hundreds (thousands?) of counter examples mentioned on just this forum ...

And all the examples of Olympus fixing environmental damage under warranty.
But mentioning does not prove anything, unless you have at least the links to cite such examples. Do you have any?
No links to back up your claim above, JaKing? You claim there are hundreds or thousands of counter examples that were posted on just this forum, so surely it should be easy for you to find at least several dozen.
Selective memory, perhaps ... ?
For example, here you even participated yourself on such thread,

$1137 to repair the 7-14 --- OUCH!!!!

If this is not selective memory, then what else?
And given your stated motives as being trolling "for fun", I think all here know what you are about.
Do "all here know" that many cases are not covered by the warranty? Even though in their PR Olympus implies that the consumer should not worry about putting their camera and lens directly under the running water.
I was wondering when other members of "the team" would show up. What took you so long? When can we expect the rest of the relay team?

And you had to go back 8.5 years to find something? That demonstrates something all by itself.

I was also wrong then. Fungus thrives best in a humid environment that doesn't dry out thoroughly - e.g. a sealed lens that is not stored appropriately.

That was also about half the US price of that lens then. Compare that with some modern lenses where a simple repair can cost 80-90% of the cost of a new lens.

Only a complete fool would expect every type of user abuse to be covered by warranty. Oh, wait ...
Reading this thread I have noticed a common theme from you. Every single time someone points out the flaws in your argument you resort to name calling and other bullying tactics.
 
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That's "balance of probabilities".

You also neglect to mention the hundreds (thousands?) of counter examples mentioned on just this forum ...

And all the examples of Olympus fixing environmental damage under warranty.
But mentioning does not prove anything, unless you have at least the links to cite such examples. Do you have any?
No links to back up your claim above, JaKing?
My name is John, as per both my signature block and my web site. I use my own name, rather than hiding behind some anonymous internet super hero pseudonym ...
You claim there are hundreds or thousands of counter examples that were posted on just this forum, so surely it should be easy for you to find at least several dozen.
I have other things to concern me. See below.
Selective memory, perhaps ... ?
For example, here you even participated yourself on such thread,

$1137 to repair the 7-14 --- OUCH!!!!

If this is not selective memory, then what else?
And given your stated motives as being trolling "for fun", I think all here know what you are about.
Do "all here know" that many cases are not covered by the warranty? Even though in their PR Olympus implies that the consumer should not worry about putting their camera and lens directly under the running water.
I was wondering when other members of "the team" would show up. What took you so long? When can we expect the rest of the relay team?

And you had to go back 8.5 years to find something? That demonstrates something all by itself.

I was also wrong then. Fungus thrives best in a humid environment that doesn't dry out thoroughly - e.g. a sealed lens that is not stored appropriately.

That was also about half the US price of that lens then. Compare that with some modern lenses where a simple repair can cost 80-90% of the cost of a new lens.

Only a complete fool would expect every type of user abuse to be covered by warranty. Oh, wait ...
Reading this thread I have noticed a common theme from you. Every single time someone points out the flaws in your argument
Which are?
you resort to name calling and other bullying tactics.
And what would they be, pray tell?

Oh dear, oh dearie me. Those poor little defenceless doodums.
Totally blameless in everything they do ...

For the last three months I have been suffering from severe heart problems. I have spent a week in hospital, after being admitted via another hospital's emergency department and the problem is as yet undiagnosed, after tests of many things.

It looks as if it might be a third degree atrio-ventricular block (aka complete heart block), if you have the slightest interest in the well being of a fellow human being. Maybe the new cardiologist I'm seeing at the end of this coming week may be able to shed some light on this. He specialises in the electrophysiology of the heart. With this problem, do you really think I'm going to play silly head games with people whose sole enjoyment in life appears to be tormenting others on the internet?

I loathe changing doctors. It means going back to square one and explaining just about every health issue I have had since birth, some 70+ years ago. This possibly explains why my current cardiologist has served me well for the last 17 years, since before and after my open heart surgery 15 years ago. Ditto for my other Doctors.

BTW, this is on top of my other, complex health issues.

Just about the only thing I can do is read internet forums or watch the garbage on TV.

So, yeah. I cannot be bothered looking up information for low life who can manage to find a post by me that's 8.5 years old, but cannot seem to find anything else. I do wonder how they manage to find their own fundamental orifices when required, but I have always been curious ... .

Are you still wondering why I feel this way?
Or are you a member of "the team" too ... ?
 
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Olympus E-M1 Weather-Resistance Tutorial/Maintenance Information:

http://www.olympusamerica.com/files/oima_cckb/e-m1_weather_resistance_en.pdf
yeah but according to some this is actually wrong

"Service Advisory:
Product damage caused by sand or liquid contamination will void the
original warranty and any extended warranties if applicable. In most
cases Olympus service will not be able to repair the camera. In these
situations, the camera would be deemed beyond reliable repair and
returned without servicing."

you know what....i don't care lol
Doesn't matter when the manufacturer can't proof the damage has not occurred by improper handling unlike marketed procedure has shown...

If marketing material show that camera is used in pouring rain, if marketing team presents camera in a store by subbing it in water bucket or under water tap, that is what camera needs to withstand, regardless what the warranty text has written....

Warranty text does not overwrite countries consumer laws...
 
it does matter which country as they have different consumer laws, the EU will be pretty similar though, Olympus has no obligation to fix your camera for free if water has gotten inside unless it is specifically mentioned as in something like the TG-5, i suggest you read the warranties and repair stuff, just because something happens to an item you buy does not mean you instantly get a replacement or a repair free of cost.
First of all, I have all the time said it depends the country...
Even countries in EU has different consumer laws with own unique specials, but major ideas are similar like 14 day return period for phone sales etc.
If you wish to start a class action against Olympus due to false advertising then go ahead, you could well win if you don't mind the time and the costs involved, until then......i'd read the small print, you'd be surprised what you may find.
If you would just do and read the already made cases, you world know you are wrong...

But just keep repeating your enforced impression how warranty text is the rule, not the countries laws that protects consumers from false marketing and can require manufacturer to warranty repairs regardless the warranty texts saying otherwise.
 
so circumstances actually do play a part rather than it just being sorted regardless of what happens.........really, of course i guess you have to prove your equipment was faulty and not because of negligent use.
Consumer doesn't need to proof anything, manufacturer does.

That is why every repair center has cameras recording when they open the device to record the proof. The have cameras in microscopes and they take photos of every part with damages and so all to push all under user negligent use.

But most fails to represent that there are problem in seals or device is misused.

If seals fails or device can't withstand it's designed purpose, it is manufacturer task to proof negligent use, and damage ain't proof of it, just the result.

In case of cameras, they would need to test the camera seals and in situation as marketed and proof that damage doesn't come from marketed situations but requires something else to be done.
 
so circumstances actually do play a part rather than it just being sorted regardless of what happens.........really, of course i guess you have to prove your equipment was faulty and not because of negligent use.
Consumer doesn't need to proof anything, manufacturer does.

That is why every repair center has cameras recording when they open the device to record the proof. The have cameras in microscopes and they take photos of every part with damages and so all to push all under user negligent use.

But most fails to represent that there are problem in seals or device is misused.

If seals fails or device can't withstand it's designed purpose, it is manufacturer task to proof negligent use, and damage ain't proof of it, just the result.

In case of cameras, they would need to test the camera seals and in situation as marketed and proof that damage doesn't come from marketed situations but requires something else to be done.
Weather sealing is not magical seal, it is a engineering challenge to be made and it is a new feature that is exposed for wearing and time.

Weather sealing requires that they are serviced periodically to maintain them. They ain't "build once and it lasts forever".

That is why you more likely want a lens and body without weather sealing because they will withstand longer in proper use. But the weather sealing allows to use the gear longer in improper use and so on add longevity to your time exposed to elements.
 
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Weather sealing requires that they are serviced periodically to maintain them. They ain't "build once and it lasts forever".
If not abused the weather sealing should last for life, no "periodical service" required. At least I could not find such requirement in any Olympus manual. Just keep the seals clean.

It is water proofing that does usually require some maintenance to remain water proof. Like in a watch.

That said, all rubber seals perish over time. It may take 5 years if it is cheap NBR rubber (NBR can perish even faster when exposed to sun or Ozone) or it may be >10 years if it is a man made rubber material like Viton or Silicone etc. I have no idea what Olympus uses, most likely soething better. If they use NBR on the lens mount it can permanently deform (cross section becomes oval) if the lens remain permanently attached and lose its sealing properties. When NBR perishes it becomes brittle (you see hair cracks if you stretch the seal - and it also loses elasticity and its ability to seal.
That is why you more likely want a lens and body without weather sealing because they will withstand longer in proper use. But the weather sealing allows to use the gear longer in improper use and so on add longevity to your time exposed to elements.
I cannot see why or how a body without weather sealing should last longer than one with. If a seal fails, you can always remove it and toss it and use the camera without.

With the lens you may have a point. BTW, the single most important seal (the one that seals the lens mount) is attached to the lens, not the camera. And the seal diameter on Panasonic lenses is different and may not necessarily seal on an Olympus body because it runs over the Olympus flange mounting screws.
 
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it does matter which country as they have different consumer laws, the EU will be pretty similar though, Olympus has no obligation to fix your camera for free if water has gotten inside unless it is specifically mentioned as in something like the TG-5, i suggest you read the warranties and repair stuff, just because something happens to an item you buy does not mean you instantly get a replacement or a repair free of cost.
First of all, I have all the time said it depends the country...
Even countries in EU has different consumer laws with own unique specials, but major ideas are similar like 14 day return period for phone sales etc.
If you wish to start a class action against Olympus due to false advertising then go ahead, you could well win if you don't mind the time and the costs involved, until then......i'd read the small print, you'd be surprised what you may find.
If you would just do and read the already made cases, you world know you are wrong...

But just keep repeating your enforced impression how warranty text is the rule, not the countries laws that protects consumers from false marketing and can require manufacturer to warranty repairs regardless the warranty texts saying otherwise.
There seem to me to be three separate issues in play in this thread.

1. Voluntary Warranty or Manufacturer’s Warranty.

This is the one written by the manufacturers and sets out what they will and won’t fix and the period of coverage. These often are different in different markets and countries though also usually similar. The manufacturer or their representative company will honour the warranty provided the claim is covered by those terms.

2. Statutory Warranty.

Most countries these days have consumer protection laws and in some cases, spell out a reseller’s obligation covering product descriptions, being fit for purpose, of merchantable quality, and should be in good working order for a reasonable period. Who covers this Warranty is dependant on the country’s laws, but can be the reseller, the manufacturer or distributor. The Australian Consumer Law, for example is the responsibility of the reseller, though in the end, the manufacturer or distributor will usually withstand the loss or provide the support to the reseller. But in the case of the weatherproofing as discussed here, there is a third issue.

3. Misleading conduct under Consumer Protection Laws.

Apart from the warranties above, again, almost all countries, consumer laws protect the public from resellers and manufacturers from conducting misleading and deceptive conduct. In Australia, these laws are quite specific and strongly in favour of the consumer. I would contend that given the marketing of Olympus using both descriptions and depiction of the conditions in marketing photographs, that simply refusing to warrant a claim because moisture has gotten inside would be unlawful. Of course, if the consumer was negligent say by careless operation such as changing a lens in the rain or leaving doors open then Olympus should have the right to payment for repairs. But they would need to have evidence that this was the case and not simply rely on saying that the water could only enter through misuse. Though that may in fact be the case and may be demonstrable. I would think that water ingress is highly unlikely unless negligent operation was actual. Otherwise, Olympus would have many claims and these forums would be full of them. From what I’ve seen of the DPReview tests some time ago for Nikon, Canon, Sony and Olympus in the wet, Olympus had the best weather sealing with Sony a long last. Their weather resistance was terrible and I would not be too keen on using a Sony in a shower.

Anyhow, I hope the foregoing somewhat explains that for most of us, the continuing debate about what Olympus would or wouldn’t do seems argumentative rather than any real basis in facts. And if anyone presented a camera for repair from water damage and used correctly, then you would have a good case to seek assistance from your local consumer affairs agency to take Olympus to task if they declined the repair no matter what their warranty states.

John
 
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Weather sealing requires that they are serviced periodically to maintain them. They ain't "build once and it lasts forever".
If not abused the weather sealing should last for life, no "periodical service" required. At least I could not find such requirement in any Olympus manual. Just keep the seals clean.

It is water proofing that does usually require some maintenance to remain water proof. Like in a watch.

That said, all rubber seals perish over time. It may take 5 years if it is cheap NBR rubber (NBR can perish even faster when exposed to sun or Ozone) or it may be >10 years if it is a man made rubber material like Viton or Silicone etc. I have no idea what Olympus uses, most likely soething better. If they use NBR on the lens mount it can permanently deform (cross section becomes oval) if the lens remain permanently attached and lose its sealing properties. When NBR perishes it becomes brittle (you see hair cracks if you stretch the seal - and it also loses elasticity and its ability to seal.
That is why you more likely want a lens and body without weather sealing because they will withstand longer in proper use. But the weather sealing allows to use the gear longer in improper use and so on add longevity to your time exposed to elements.
I cannot see why or how a body without weather sealing should last longer than one with. If a seal fails, you can always remove it and toss it and use the camera without.

With the lens you may have a point. BTW, the single most important seal (the one that seals the lens mount) is attached to the lens, not the camera. And the seal diameter on Panasonic lenses is different and may not necessarily seal on an Olympus body because it runs over the Olympus flange mounting screws.
they aren't actually my words, i thought i'd throw it in for good measure
 
Exactly, Dennis.

My father ruined several bits of gear in SE Queensland (very humid) by storing them in silica gel. Big problem is when the silica gel becomes saturated. After that, it exacerbates the problem. Wrecked his Nikon gear.
In contrast, I’ve lived in SE Qld all my life and confirm that it’s very humid, yet I’ve never had any fungus or other adverse affect on any of my camera gear, even now I live on the coast. Gear is simply stored in closed bags except when in use. That seems sufficient to protect them.
Not living so far away - I have no particular protection other than storing not so far under the roof where it is always warm and dry (sometimes hot and dry). I figure our climate close under a hot roof is generally hot enough to dry out anything .... :)

No special problems as I have noticed, might even have fixed some lenses delivered with low-level fungus. I always try and make sure that any lens that might have had any exposure to wet is thoroughly dried out before storing.

We have been lucky I suppose - a whole sequence of very dry years.

Once back into our seriously wet cycle I hope I keep on smiling ....
 
There seem to me to be three separate issues in play in this thread.

1. Voluntary Warranty or Manufacturer’s Warranty.

This is the one written by the manufacturers and sets out what they will and won’t fix and the period of coverage. These often are different in different markets and countries though also usually similar. The manufacturer or their representative company will honour the warranty provided the claim is covered by those terms.

2. Statutory Warranty.

Most countries these days have consumer protection laws and in some cases, spell out a reseller’s obligation covering product descriptions, being fit for purpose, of merchantable quality, and should be in good working order for a reasonable period. Who covers this Warranty is dependant on the country’s laws, but can be the reseller, the manufacturer or distributor. The Australian Consumer Law, for example is the responsibility of the reseller, though in the end, the manufacturer or distributor will usually withstand the loss or provide the support to the reseller. But in the case of the weatherproofing as discussed here, there is a third issue.

3. Misleading conduct under Consumer Protection Laws.

Apart from the warranties above, again, almost all countries, consumer laws protect the public from resellers and manufacturers from conducting misleading and deceptive conduct. In Australia, these laws are quite specific and strongly in favour of the consumer. I would contend that given the marketing of Olympus using both descriptions and depiction of the conditions in marketing photographs, that simply refusing to warrant a claim because moisture has gotten inside would be unlawful. Of course, if the consumer was negligent say by careless operation such as changing a lens in the rain or leaving doors open then Olympus should have the right to payment for repairs. But they would need to have evidence that this was the case and not simply rely on saying that the water could only enter through misuse. Though that may in fact be the case and may be demonstrable. I would think that water ingress is highly unlikely unless negligent operation was actual. Otherwise, Olympus would have many claims and these forums would be full of them. From what I’ve seen of the DPReview tests some time ago for Nikon, Canon, Sony and Olympus in the wet, Olympus had the best weather sealing with Sony a long last. Their weather resistance was terrible and I would not be too keen on using a Sony in a shower.

Anyhow, I hope the foregoing somewhat explains that for most of us, the continuing debate about what Olympus would or wouldn’t do seems argumentative rather than any real basis in facts. And if anyone presented a camera for repair from water damage and used correctly, then you would have a good case to seek assistance from your local consumer affairs agency to take Olympus to task if they declined the repair no matter what their warranty states.

John
John

Quite clear and exactly how I understand it.

This has reminded me of a statement I read from an apparently authoritative source made on the dpreview site.

Basically that the highest level of warranty claim rejections per camera type was for those cheap sealed cameras "good for use underwater" to a certain depth.

Claim received "I did nothing wrong - camera stuffed".

Manufacturer: make sure camera is dry inside. Close all the doors. Place in hermetically sealed test jar - pump up to a suitable depth beyond the warranty depth pressure. When the camera is recovered and its outside surface dried - open doors and check for any sign of water inside. No water no claim. Customer has been careless or was simply "foxing".
 
Weather sealing is not magical seal, it is a engineering challenge to be made and it is a new feature that is exposed for wearing and time.

Weather sealing requires that they are serviced periodically to maintain them. They ain't "build once and it lasts forever".

That is why you more likely want a lens and body without weather sealing because they will withstand longer in proper use. But the weather sealing allows to use the gear longer in improper use and so on add longevity to your time exposed to elements.
Why you are telling me what I have told all the time here when people dream weather sealed variants of their lenses etc?
 

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