Smartphones - the greatest thing that ever happened in photography

But fast forward another 10 years and i’ll bet we have machine learning algorithms that...
Since decades, we have also been promised that in just a couple of more years we will have
  • cheap energy
  • cold fusion
  • flying cars
  • true AI
  • etc
Personally, I prefer to work with what I have now, instead of spending my time and energy on pipe dreams.

That has worked out to be more practical, instead of waiting just a couple of years the whole time...

Regards, Mike
 
But fast forward another 10 years and i’ll bet we have machine learning algorithms that...
Since decades, we have also been promised that in just a couple of more years we will have
  • cheap energy
  • cold fusion
  • flying cars
  • true AI
  • etc
Personally, I prefer to work with what I have now, instead of spending my time and energy on pipe dreams.

That has worked out to be more practical, instead of waiting just a couple of years the whole time...

Regards, Mike
Oh, I agree - for now. But the intention for the headline was to discuss phone cameras and the impact it has/will have on photography. I’m just saying we haven’t seen nothing yet ;-)

But I too, am an increasingly old and grumpy man, and I will keep shooting my DSLR and be happy about it (And keep telling myself the quality is superior and “special” - the rest of the world will stop agreeing, but at that time I’m so old I can’t hear/won’t hear what they say anyways :-) )
 
But fast forward another 10 years and i’ll bet we have machine learning algorithms that...
Since decades, we have also been promised that in just a couple of more years we will have
  • cheap energy
  • cold fusion
  • flying cars
  • true AI
  • etc
Personally, I prefer to work with what I have now, instead of spending my time and energy on pipe dreams.

That has worked out to be more practical, instead of waiting just a couple of years the whole time...

Regards, Mike
Oh, I agree - for now. But the intention for the headline was to discuss phone cameras and the impact it has/will have on photography. I’m just saying we haven’t seen nothing yet ;-)
That’s what they said about the above topics, too...
But I too, am an increasingly old and grumpy man,
Good for you. I am not.
and I will keep shooting my DSLR and be happy about it
That I will.
(And keep telling myself the quality is superior and “special” - the rest of the world will stop agreeing, but at that time I’m so old I can’t hear/won’t hear what they say anyways :-) )
This makes me doubt that part about being happy.

You have an underlying context of being in a contest with the rest of the world to prove that what you do is superior and special.

I don’t. I simply enjoy doing what I do with my camera, and I tell neither myself - nor anybody else - that it is special or superior. I have no need to do that, simply because I enjoy doing what I do, and I do it for me.

I don’t know if that viewpoint makes any sense to you, it appears to be foreign to many, many people here on DPR, but I thought I’d point it out. Maybe so you don’t accuse other people of being grumpy simply because they don’t agree with you... 😜

Regards, Mike
 
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So, the potential for astronomically-massive quantities of temporary images are how you judge the status of the entire field of photography?

What do those cell phone pictures look like? Is that important at all?

The emotion on the golfers' faces from 50 meters away... the ball teetering on the edge of the hole... The focal separation of the participants from the background...
If you want to get the emotion on golfers faces, you are gonna need credentials, because there are severe restrictions on the types of cameras the patrons are allowed to carry in.

Patrons cant get the images you describe because they are not allowed to bring cameras capable of these images in to the event.
Same thing with concerts and other venues. They see you with a DSLR or MILC, they'll tell you to leave. I don't know how many times I've heard or read the announcement "no professional cameras", and by that they mean DSLRs or the equivalent. But smartphone cameras are no problem.
I was happily surprised to notice that a local annual quite large music festival allowed DSLR/MILC cameras this year, unlike the previous years. They did state that individual artists might forbid DSLR/MILC photography on their performances, but none of the artists I enjoyed appeared to want to do that. While I mostly enjoyed the music and company of a friend rather than focusing on photography, I was happy about being able to take an occasional shot with a 200mm tele and a DSLR instead of a smartphone. I hope they can/will keep the same policy next year as well.
 
Not sure why photographers dislike smartphones.

May be because in their mind expensive camera owners could not justify spending fortunes on cameras but not being able to take photos which are better than those taken by smartphones. :-P

I have posted another thread where I compared smartphone photos with those taken by camera in bright daylight and there is not much difference as such.


Camera still wins in low light, action shots, telephoto etc. However, phones are catching up. Modern phones offer:
  • 2nd lens as telephoto
  • dual lens set up for depth effect/ bokeh in portraits
  • longer shutter speed for night shots
  • in camera lens stabilization
 
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Not sure why photographers dislike smartphones.
I’ll wager that most photographers actually don’t dislike smartphones. I’ll wager that many photographers commonly use smartphones, but many have more fun with their other cameras, and thus use them more.

I rather think that many photographers are a bit tired of the attitude of smartphone zealots, running around calling everybody that aren’t singing the praises of the smartphone grumpy, old, dinosaur and other personal attacks.

So I would hazard a guess - it’s not the smartphones that are disliked. It’s a small group of smartphone zealots, acting in what seems like religious fervor, that can’t live and let live, that are incapable of understanding that people have fun with different things.
May be because in their mind expensive camera owners could not justify spending fortunes on cameras but not being able to take photos which are better than those taken by smartphones. :-P
See? That’s exactly what I mean? You couldn’t make a rational argument why a smartphone is good for you, you just had to imply ulterior motives to a whole class of other people.

And you expect the rest of your argument to be taken serious?

Regards, Mike

PS: And it’s a bit curious that you use “photographers” as an opposite to “smartphone users”... - bit of a Freudian slip, really -
 
Generally speaking, I think they are the demise of decent photography.
I was wrong all the time to think that decent photography starts at photographer.
Yes, exactly. The smartphone can do a decent job but the majority of people using the device don't have a clue about photography. Unlike the past, these lousy photographs are everywhere.
 
Generally speaking, I think they are the demise of decent photography.
I was wrong all the time to think that decent photography starts at photographer.
Yes, exactly. The smartphone can do a decent job but the majority of people using the device don't have a clue about photography. Unlike the past, these lousy photographs are everywhere.
They don't want any clue or knowledge or skill in photography.

It's their memory, their experience, their view of the world.

One doesn't have to be Nobel lorette to write the personal diary or log to be shared with your social. Evenn you wrotesmit badly and haves no artistiq in that writing at all, ypur fruend would say nothin whilemunderstood what you wantto comunikate whichnthem.

There is does no different too write and chairs sumthing with you friend wether you wriiten it which ink or photon.
 
Generally speaking, I think they are the demise of decent photography.
I was wrong all the time to think that decent photography starts at photographer.
Yes, exactly. The smartphone can do a decent job but the majority of people using the device don't have a clue about photography. Unlike the past, these lousy photographs are everywhere.
They don't want any clue or knowledge or skill in photography.

It's their memory, their experience, their view of the world.

One doesn't have to be Nobel lorette to write the personal diary or log to be shared with your social. Evenn you wrotesmit badly and haves no artistiq in that writing at all, ypur fruend would say nothin whilemunderstood what you wantto comunikate whichnthem.

There is does no different too write and chairs sumthing with you friend wether you wriiten it which ink or photon.
That doesn't change the fact that they are destroying photography. What your saying is the normal will become lousy.
 
It is possible to take good photos with a phone camera. Many things are possible, but many can't make it possible. Price or technology level doesn't matter, if you truly can make something special. It is possible to draw amazing pictures with a common pencil and paper, but still majority of the people fail to do that.

I don't see people trying to draw art or playing instruments, but many shoot photos with a phone camera. How many years it will take to realize that common photography is nothing special and people get tired of it and start to mock those who still try to share snapshots everywhere? Maybe photo sharing services become more interesting then.
 
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Given that some people think Smart Phones are more than sufficient to take excellent photos perhaps we should start calling them Smart Cameras?
 
I asked my wife today why wouldn’t she use a dedicated camera instead of a phone to take pictures. She said: “Because I don’t want to do photography. I just want to create memories for myself.” So intuitively, without knowing anything about photography she realized that photography means something more than just taking snaps. And personally, I agree with this veiw. So to me, cellphones made very little impact on photography. They gave people something convenient to create memories, and that’s about it.
And that's what makes me sad. A couple years ago I was at an air show. I had not charged my P&S and it died early on in the experience. I fell back on my phone but I may as well have not bothered. When I review the album, the point at which the compact camera died is the point at which the good photos stopped.

What makes me sad is knowing that most people's family memories or vacation photos now will all be crummy phone snaps whose only goal in their short life is a few Facebook likes. They'll all have the same boring look, because they only have one capability - wide angle. Hope you like landscapes.

I am not a pro. I take photos for the same reason - saving memories. I care about them enough to bring a real camera, not just the afterthought tacked onto my phone.
 
My doctor admitted to taking his iPhone on vacation because he couldn't remember how to use his late model Leica. Kind of funny. I should have asked him to donate it to me.
 
My doctor admitted to taking his iPhone on vacation because he couldn't remember how to use his late model Leica. Kind of funny. I should have asked him to donate it to me.
Many people buy expensive cameras but carry on with phones because they discover [1] those cameras are difficult to carry [2] complex to operate [3] phone cameras are good enough (for them), especially for daylight shots.
 
Agree, except for #2. I know how to use my cameras; I just don't use them and I suspect that they will be exploring Planet eBay soon. I have a phone which is over three years old and doesn't need to be replaced...unless one with a better camera (stills and video) comes out. Then, I will have to hide my credit cards, which will probably work this time because I used to have a dog who reminded me where I hid things. He's moved on.
 
Not sure why photographers dislike smartphones.

May be because in their mind expensive camera owners could not justify spending fortunes on cameras but not being able to take photos which are better than those taken by smartphones. :-P

I have posted another thread where I compared smartphone photos with those taken by camera in bright daylight and there is not much difference as such.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308178

Camera still wins in low light, action shots, telephoto etc. However, phones are catching up. Modern phones offer:
  • 2nd lens as telephoto
  • dual lens set up for depth effect/ bokeh in portraits
  • longer shutter speed for night shots
  • in camera lens stabilization
 
"Yes, this will be the most photo documented generation in recent history. I grew up in the 70s, and my first camera was a Kodak 110 instamatic that took crappy pictures. And if I wanted flash, I had to buy a disposable flash bar that contained 5 or 6 flashes. And you had to ration your pictures because you had only 12 or 24 shots in the roll, and then wait a week to have it developed."

Valid views, very much is now-a-days documentated.

However, the pictures we sometimes took with film cameras, like Kodak 110 or similar cameras, those pictures often still exist, as prints and many times also as developed film. Pictures taken later with all kind of digital cameras generally also still exist, i.e on hard discs as jpg files, or on other devices, and also many times as prints.

OTOH, are the pictures taken with camera phones much saved elsewhere than in the phone itself, and/or are those pictures printed? Although I haven't myself seen anybody save phone shots, I'm sure some do it. And sure, some upload their personal photographs somewhere, but to where, and how to achieve/find these pictures after 50 years, 30 years or even 10 years? Probably nothing is left/or can be found in some tens of years. The phones of today aren't either known to be long lived, so non saved pictures will disappear in a few years when the phone break down.

"If we only had cell phone cameras back in the day. All those memories that could have been preserved....."

Or possibly almost nothing might be left, see above ?? It is a paradox, but I have a strong feeling that there will be very very little phone pictures left for the coming generations to look at, even if the current generation is the most (phone-)photo documented generation :-( :-(

JahnG
 

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