What is the fuss about FF against m43?

NjoyCam · Aug 10, 2018

Nowadays, everyone should know for which system he spends his money...

All necessary information is available on the internet.

For me, the weight and range of the lenses were crucial.

Of course you have to know what you are taking photographs and under what conditions.

I chose Lumix G9 + PL 12-60 + PL 50-200.

Would an FF system have been a better choice for the following photos?

If yes why?

inlawbiker · Aug 10, 2018

NjoyCam said:
Nowadays, everyone should know for which system he spends his money...

All necessary information is available on the internet.

For me, the weight and range of the lenses were crucial.

Of course you have to know what you are taking photographs and under what conditions.

I chose Lumix G9 + PL 12-60 + PL 50-200.

Would an FF system have been a better choice for the following photos?

If yes why?

No, of course not. Just pick the system that is best for your use case

Imagine for a moment you're a professional photographer. (Some of us are and some are not so just try). If you need to make a living, what camera do you choose?

Answer: you choose the best equipment for your use case. Shooting pro sports at NBA, NFL, MLB, FIFA? You do not compromise on image quality and performance. You use Nikon or Canon. Weddings, events? You compete with many others at razor thin margins. You buy the best gear you can afford so you can stay in business. That is still Nikon and Canon.

Carrying this heavy equipment, do you wish it were lighter? Sure, but that's secondary. You still need the best equipment. Like it or not the best images still come from larger sensor cameras.

Your images are fantastic, and would not be improved markedly by a larger sensor. If you can make a living selling your work with M43, more power to you. Hobby shooter? Forget full frame, nobody cares what camera you use. Use what you enjoy.

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nzmacro · Aug 10, 2018

Do you think this really helps. Gees.

Danny.

richj20 · Aug 10, 2018

NjoyCam said:
Would an FF system have been a better choice for the following photos?

Rent a FF system and do some side by side comparisons!

Your photographs are quite nice - attractive compositions with some of the wildlife!

Member said:
If yes why?

OK, for me as an amateur botanist, I photograph flowers a lot and prefer FF for more resolution of detail. I carry a loupe with me in the field to look closely at the tiny flower parts, and like to look at photographs of them closely on the screen.

This would probably be the only difference I would notice in photographing your flowers with FF.

- Richard

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Manti44 · Aug 10, 2018

An easy but valid question. The answers are several. Camera envy, lens envy, and the hopes of many that technology and money will compensate for their inadequacy as photographers. Having been an amateur and a semi-professional photographer for over 5 decades, I have owned Nikon, Canon, Pentax and Olympus. I now use Oly 4/3 with their pro lenses because of size, weight, and quality. If you do not need 16x20 enlargements for prints, which few do, full frame is just not necessary.

My wife uses a Panasonic point and shoot and consistently shoots better images than many I see on this site.

NjoyCam · Aug 10, 2018

Thank you.

I am a hobby shooter.

But, I don't think that a professional photographer must use a Canon or Nikon camera.

NjoyCam · Aug 10, 2018

Maybe not, but I'm sick of these hypotensive comparisons!

nzmacro · Aug 10, 2018

NjoyCam said:
Maybe not, but I'm sick of these hypotensive comparisons!

So why post then.

You honestly don't think someone using a Canon 1Dx MKII / Nikon D5 and a 500 or 600 F/4 for wildlife cares about this stuff do you or the shots. They simply don't.

If you want to make a big splash, post this question and the shots in the Canon and Nikon FF forums here at DPR and see if they care. Only in here huh ;-)

Danny.

NjoyCam · Aug 10, 2018

Manti44 said:
My wife uses a Panasonic point and shoot and consistently shoots better images than many I see on this site.

Thanks for your comment, I had to laugh.

NjoyCam · Aug 10, 2018

Danny, your comments are very harsh.

I don't need big splash, it was not my intention.

You seem to think that Canon 1Dx MKII / Nikon D5 and a 500 or 600 F/4 for wildlife is a must.

Just look at the images of Petr Bambousek!!!

JaKing · Aug 10, 2018

Rich, that's a very nice photo. However, it doesn't show any more detail than I have seen in many, many FTs /mFTs photos ...

nzmacro · Aug 10, 2018

NjoyCam said:
Danny, your comments are very harsh.

So many posts on this lately and yep, I'm sick of it as well. Harsh, not really ;-)

Member said:
I don't need big splash, it was not my intention.

You seem to think that Canon 1Dx MKII / Nikon D5 and a 500 or 600 F/4 for wildlife is a must.

I don't need or use one. What I said was ...... do you think those users really care. The answer is, no they don't. Some m4/3 users are the ones that care, not the FF shooters.

Member said:
Just look at the images of Petr Bambousek!!!

Petr ..... How many FF wildlife shooters would you like me to link to. It doesn't matter.

I use three formats using the exact same lenses on all of them, I know what I'm looking at and I know why I use those different formats using the same lenses. I shoot with enough FF shooters to know they don't care.

Only in here do we get posts like this. It seems to be an m4/3 thing from only some users that seem to feel the need to justify. We don't need to !! So why make posts on it all the time. Gees.

Danny.

Barty L · Aug 10, 2018

Unfortunately the required response was, "Yes! Micro Four Thirds is best! Let us join in flinging poo and hooting at the 'outsiders'!"

But that wasn't your response, so now you're a 'm43 hater', a 'FF troll' and probably 'one of the usual suspects'.

JaKing · Aug 10, 2018

Danny, how much trolling occurs on the other fora?

Now, how much trolling occurs here?

You really can't get upset if people here are just a tad sensitive after years of being bashed ...

richj20 · Aug 10, 2018

JaKing said:
Rich, that's a very nice photo. However, it doesn't show any more detail than I have seen in many, many FTs /mFTs photos ...

I don't doubt your observations, JaKing...

Two years ago when Sony released its FE 2.8/50 Macro I purchased one and made many comparisons with my Panasonic 45mm macro and preferred the FF most of the time.

- Richard

JaKing · Aug 10, 2018

richj20 said:
JaKing said:

Rich, that's a very nice photo. However, it doesn't show any more detail than I have seen in many, many FTs /mFTs photos ...

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I don't doubt your observations, JaKing...

Two years ago when Sony released its FE 2.8/50 Macro I purchased one and made many comparisons with my Panasonic 45mm macro and preferred the FF most of the time.

- Richard

That's fair enough too, Richard.

We should all use the gear we are happy and comfortable with. Shame that some here don't seem to understand this simple truth.

I prefer my FTs f/2 50 macro to the mFTs f/2.8 60 macro for similar reasons.

Messier Object · Aug 10, 2018

nzmacro said:
Do you think this really helps. Gees.

Danny.

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talking about one’s insecurity is usually a good thing Danny ;-)

Peter

nzmacro · Aug 10, 2018

JaKing said:
Danny, how much trolling occurs on the other fora?

Now, how much trolling occurs here?

You really can't get upset if people here are just a tad sensitive after years of being bashed ...

Oh we do get it on the Sony forums mate ;-) both APS-C and the FF forum. In here, a lot of it seems to come from some of the m4/3 users themselves. I've never worked that out to be honest John.

I've said it so many times before, threads like this become popular and it ends up on the front page of DPR and then if the title has "FF" in it, look out because the FF users will see it and hello, here we go again. Keep "FF" out of the title and it doesn't happen near as much.

FF users coming in here have said they spot it on the most popular threads on the front page at DPR, so there ya go John.

All the best and a lot of it is self inflicted like this thread might become .... or has.

Danny.

nzmacro · Aug 10, 2018

Barty L said:
Unfortunately the required response was, "Yes! Micro Four Thirds is best! Let us join in flinging poo and hooting at the 'outsiders'!"

But that wasn't your response, so now you're a 'm43 hater', a 'FF troll' and probably 'one of the usual suspects'.

The reason is simple, I love all of them !!

All the best.

Danny.

nzmacro · Aug 10, 2018

Messier Object said:
nzmacro said:

Do you think this really helps. Gees.

Danny.

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talking about one’s insecurity is usually a good thing Danny ;-)

Peter

Therapy session you reckon Pete. You might well be right mate

Danny.

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