A7riii Focus - Any reason not to be in C-AF all the time?

Jim

What did you mean to say in this statement?

"AF-C has a higher statistical variance in focus distance than AF-C."

Please clarify.
 
Jim

What did you mean to say in this statement?
I meant what I said.
"AF-C has a higher statistical variance in focus distance than AF-C."

Please clarify.
Do you know what the term variance means in statistics? It’s the square of the standard deviation.


If you look at the graphs in the Batis link below you’ll see what I mean.


Jim
 
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Before I had a baby AF-S was fine. Now I use AF-C pretty much all the time. I do need to see if AF-S works better for adapted glass though.
 
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Jim

What did you mean to say in this statement?
I meant what I said.
"AF-C has a higher statistical variance in focus distance than AF-C."

Please clarify.
Do you know what the term variance means in statistics? It’s the square of the standard deviation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance

If you look at the graphs in the Batis link below you’ll see what I mean.

https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/a7riii-af-c-accuracy-with-batis-85-1-8/

Jim
You seem to have made a typo, Jim, in comparing AF-C with AF-C. One of those should be AF-S, I am guessing.

It would be helpful for you to correct that.
 
Jim

What did you mean to say in this statement?
I meant what I said.
"AF-C has a higher statistical variance in focus distance than AF-C."

Please clarify.
https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/a7riii-af-c-accuracy-with-batis-85-1-8/

Jim
What Jim really meant to say was "AF-C has a higher statistical variance in focus distance than AF-S." (see the link to his blog above).
Doh. I'm sorry. I didn't see that.

Jim
 
Jim

What did you mean to say in this statement?
I meant what I said.
"AF-C has a higher statistical variance in focus distance than AF-C."

Please clarify.
Do you know what the term variance means in statistics? It’s the square of the standard deviation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance

If you look at the graphs in the Batis link below you’ll see what I mean.

https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/a7riii-af-c-accuracy-with-batis-85-1-8/

Jim
You seem to have made a typo, Jim, in comparing AF-C with AF-C. One of those should be AF-S, I am guessing.

It would be helpful for you to correct that.
Well, I can't. because I'm not a mod. All I can do is apologize profusely. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Jim
 
In lower light, I’m finding perceptible delays in focusing shooting with a zoom when it is set to automatic (where it can switch between AF-S and AF-C, depending on whether the subject is moving.)

When i put in on AF-C, the focus goes much faster, whether the subject is moving or not.

Is there any good reason not to always leave it in AF-C?
Yes:

https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/a7riii-af-c-accuracy-with-batis-85-1-8/
Not sure what part of that was applicable. Seems this lens had some issues of one sort or another.
What sort of issues?

The Zony 55 also exhibits the effect.

https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/d850-58-1-4-vs-a7riii-55-1-8-af-s-and-af-c/
And also the Sony 90 macro:



Jim
 
Thanks. All I wanted to know was about the typo. Which AF-C was suppose to be AF-S.

That's all I was asking.
 
Thanks. All I wanted to know was about the typo. Which AF-C was suppose to be AF-S.

That's all I was asking.
Yeah. Shame on me for not figuring that out. I knew what it was supposed to say so well that I didn't realize that I'd just typed gibberish.
 
Do you have any photographic demos to help qualify the effects of this phenomenon?

For example what does a 10 micrometer CoC translate to in terms of affecting sharpness? And why is a front focus bias a good thing?
 
Do you have any photographic demos to help qualify the effects of this phenomenon?

For example what does a 10 micrometer CoC translate to in terms of affecting sharpness?
Look at the 2 and 2.8 pixels-blur images, and you'll get an idea:

And why is a front focus bias a good thing?
I don't think I said that it was.

Jim
 
Do you have any photographic demos to help qualify the effects of this phenomenon?

For example what does a 10 micrometer CoC translate to in terms of affecting sharpness?
Look at the 2 and 2.8 pixels-blur images, and you'll get an idea:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/simulating-motion-blur-mtf50-and-pictures/
OK, thanks! I imagine that's not noticeable at 100% (the max I zoom to).
And why is a front focus bias a good thing?
I don't think I said that it was.

Jim
You did here:

"In AF-C mode, the Sony’s shot-to-shot variation gets worse. The D850’s does not. The D850 also becomes a bit more front-focus biased, which is a good thing here."


I may have missed some context there. It also appears the D850 gets less front focus biased as you stop down as positive numbers = back focus. Not trying to pick your analysis apart; just gain understanding and context.
 
Do you have any photographic demos to help qualify the effects of this phenomenon?

For example what does a 10 micrometer CoC translate to in terms of affecting sharpness?
Look at the 2 and 2.8 pixels-blur images, and you'll get an idea:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/simulating-motion-blur-mtf50-and-pictures/
OK, thanks! I imagine that's not noticeable at 100% (the max I zoom to).
And why is a front focus bias a good thing?
I don't think I said that it was.

Jim
You did here:

"In AF-C mode, the Sony’s shot-to-shot variation gets worse. The D850’s does not. The D850 also becomes a bit more front-focus biased, which is a good thing here."

https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/d850-58-1-4-vs-a7riii-55-1-8-af-s-and-af-c/

I may have missed some context there. It also appears the D850 gets less front focus biased as you stop down as positive numbers = back focus. Not trying to pick your analysis apart; just gain understanding and context.
It's context. When you've been back focused biased, moving the focus bias forward is a good thing.

If you've been neutral, becoming more front focus biased is a bad thing.

Neutral bias is the objective. Not front focus biased in the absolute sense.

Jim
 
In lower light, I’m finding perceptible delays in focusing shooting with a zoom when it is set to automatic (where it can switch between AF-S and AF-C, depending on whether the subject is moving.)

When i put in on AF-C, the focus goes much faster, whether the subject is moving or not.

Is there any good reason not to always leave it in AF-C?
OK someone has got to do it...

What about AF-A? Best or worst of both worlds?
 
In lower light, I’m finding perceptible delays in focusing shooting with a zoom when it is set to automatic (where it can switch between AF-S and AF-C, depending on whether the subject is moving.)

When i put in on AF-C, the focus goes much faster, whether the subject is moving or not.

Is there any good reason not to always leave it in AF-C?
OK someone has got to do it...

What about AF-A? Best or worst of both worlds?
It all depends on your goals. Want to leave the driving to the camera? Like the green position on the mode dial? Then, sure, go for it.
 
In lower light, I’m finding perceptible delays in focusing shooting with a zoom when it is set to automatic (where it can switch between AF-S and AF-C, depending on whether the subject is moving.)

When i put in on AF-C, the focus goes much faster, whether the subject is moving or not.

Is there any good reason not to always leave it in AF-C?
OK someone has got to do it...

What about AF-A? Best or worst of both worlds?
AF-A is... meh. I have tried it on Nikon, canon, and Sony, and I definitely can’t trust the camera. Rather keep things in af-c, and back button focus. For static objects or landscape I switch to MF or af-s.

i is so easy to do the above the above that anyone choosing to do AF-A is just being lazy or sloppy.
 
I call it AF-UHHHH. Very indecisive and when it finally makes a decision it's usually wrong.
 

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