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RX100 Mark VI Review: Is this camera worth $1200?

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tbcass said:
nigelbb said:
George1958 said:
4k is old hat already, we will soon be expect this to be 6k plus and calling 4k an inferior format. Plans to have a format that will have long term immunity against being comparatively poor are unrealistic.

that said there is a growing consensus that most folk are not able to discriminate between 4k and HD content, and for many HD is equal to the task and it is a thinking error to driven by marketing propaganda to think otherwise.
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What consensus? If you can't see the difference between 4K & 1080p either you need glasses or your screen is too small or you are watching from too far away.
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Maybe you are watching too close! The fact is for most people HD is good enough for video and 8mp for stills. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with them.
tbcass said:
The commonest size for HD TVs was 46". Today the commonest size for a 4K TV is 60". The difference is chalk & cheese. 4K is like looking through a window.
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One of my cameras is 42mp. Do you have a camera with that much resolution? If you don't and can't see or don't care about the difference between 42mp and 20mp for example you must need glasses or are looking at too small a size.

My point is stop criticizing someone else who disagrees with you on the need for 4K. It's none of your business what they like. Instead you shoot 4K and let them be happy with HD.
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I haven't criticised anyone merely stated my opinion that it's crazy to shoot video or still photos at less than the full quality that your camera is capable of.

I used to shoot stills & video professionally with FF cameras including 36mp Nikon D810 & loved the resolution & dynamic range but nowadays I prefer to compromise on size & weight & convenience with 20mp Sony RX10 & RX100 cameras. However just as I never used the Nikon with anything other than FX full frame lenses I don't use the 1" sensor cameras at anything less than their full capability. You can never add back detail that you didn't record in the first place.
 
undercrimson said:
One thing we didn't discuss so much, that I want to get your opinion on, is that the RX100 VI has an f/7.6 equivalent "bokeh" aperture at 24mm. This is compared to the RX100 V, at f/4.9. This is a 2.4x stop difference in bokeh-blurring ability (the light/exposure is unaffected).

Now... this really got me thinking. I love bokeh at wide angles, I think they're really great for separating people/subject from the background. I hardly ever would choose to shoot at f/8 wide-angle unless it were like a panoramic vista, since I tend to like some bokeh background-blurring between my subject matter.

The additional 8x zoom is still appealing, but I think this really starts to get me thinking whether I really want to go around shooting at 24mm f/8 all the time. The RX100 V's f/4.9 is more acceptable in this regard. It's a difficult trade-off for the zoom.
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I think you'll find the difference between F4.9 and F7.6 is nearer to 1.4 stops not 2.4. This still makes a difference with background blurring but not as much as you are suggesting.

David
 
Additinally, at 24 mm wide angle you always get relatively large DOF. I wonder what a real quantitative difference it makes.
 
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nigelbb said:
tbcass said:
nigelbb said:
George1958 said:
4k is old hat already, we will soon be expect this to be 6k plus and calling 4k an inferior format. Plans to have a format that will have long term immunity against being comparatively poor are unrealistic.

that said there is a growing consensus that most folk are not able to discriminate between 4k and HD content, and for many HD is equal to the task and it is a thinking error to driven by marketing propaganda to think otherwise.
Click to expand...
What consensus? If you can't see the difference between 4K & 1080p either you need glasses or your screen is too small or you are watching from too far away.
Click to expand...
Maybe you are watching too close! The fact is for most people HD is good enough for video and 8mp for stills. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with them.
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4K video on the Sony RX10/RX100 gives you 24/25/30 8mp images per second. Why put up with "good enough"?
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Good enough = requirement met. Over spec is pointless. Most broadcast TV is HD and looks great on a 60 inch screen with, and without glasses. Its interesting that the Apple iPad retina displays are meant to be = < than the resolvable resolution of the human eye. There will come a point where additional resolution is pointless as a direct source for viewing and most likely will be downsized to jack up the HD quality.

If you want me to say 4k is great, no problem, but of all the forum puddings, 4k is one of the most over egged. I suspect its also the fact its Sony 4k and there is always an implicit Sony cameras are great, which is also true.
 
Simple, the RX10iv can give up to 24 20mp images per second although 10fps is the max I generally use, and shooting still bursts is easier and gives me more control. In addition video doesn’t offer all the advanced AF modes of stills. With video slower shutter speeds are better to avoid stutter but that won’t freeze the subject in the stills. All in all I don’t consider getting 8mp stills from a video a viable option.

If I want stills from HD video I can use the live capture capability which gives me 16mp.

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Then why did you suggest shooting 4k to extract 8 mp images? You are contradicting yourself.
 
nigelbb said:
tbcass said:
nigelbb said:
George1958 said:
4k is old hat already, we will soon be expect this to be 6k plus and calling 4k an inferior format. Plans to have a format that will have long term immunity against being comparatively poor are unrealistic.

that said there is a growing consensus that most folk are not able to discriminate between 4k and HD content, and for many HD is equal to the task and it is a thinking error to driven by marketing propaganda to think otherwise.
Click to expand...
What consensus? If you can't see the difference between 4K & 1080p either you need glasses or your screen is too small or you are watching from too far away.
Click to expand...
Maybe you are watching too close! The fact is for most people HD is good enough for video and 8mp for stills. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with them.
nigelbb said:
The commonest size for HD TVs was 46". Today the commonest size for a 4K TV is 60". The difference is chalk & cheese. 4K is like looking through a window.
Click to expand...
One of my cameras is 42mp. Do you have a camera with that much resolution? If you don't and can't see or don't care about the difference between 42mp and 20mp for example you must need glasses or are looking at too small a size.

My point is stop criticizing someone else who disagrees with you on the need for 4K. It's none of your business what they like. Instead you shoot 4K and let them be happy with HD.
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I haven't criticised anyone merely stated my opinion that it's crazy to shoot video or still photos at less than the full quality that your camera is capable of.
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So your opinion is that people who do that are crazy. If you can't recognize that as being criticism, you're crazy. Since you keep doing this over and over, I'm beginning to suspect that is actually the case.
 
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