Can NIKON -- "pull it off" ???

In over a hundred posts you have said how great the FZ1000 is, including with with regards to the AF speed. So it appears a company can get great AF speed without having PDAF on the sensor.
The FZ-1000 indeed has very fast (faster than most dSLR's), AF-S, (thanks to DFD).

But only 6fps "C"-AF.

Sony's new hybrid-PD sensor in RX10-"IV" and RX100-"V" can do faster AF-S and "C"-AF @ 25fps, (and video @ 960fps).
So why are you upset with Sony for not letting Nikon get the lastest Sony sensors? I think they can get by without it.
The newest D850 is only 7/9fps compared to 20fps in A9 w/ no-blackout.

And D850 Live-View AF-delay is over 1-second.
But also since Nikon makes their own sensors, can't we expect that not having the latest Sony chips is not really something holding back Nikon?
Where do you get the idea they "make" their own sensors ???

Most Nikons have Sony sensors.
 
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Well it doesn't really matter. The d850 sensor scored 100 on dxo so nikon seem to know what they are doing.
That is "IQ" ....

But are you satisfied with 1-2 full-seconds AF delay on Live-View ??? ... (I am NOT !!!)

Are you satisfied with only 7fps, (same as we had back in the 70's) ??? .. (I am NOT !!!)

THAT is the current "competition" that Nikon needs to meet to be truly "competitive".
Well as l never use live view that is for me anyway not a worry. And l have 10fps on my D500 which if l need it is fantastic and certainly enough for me coupled with the world class auto focus and buffer it has amongst other things.
 
In over a hundred posts you have said how great the FZ1000 is, including with with regards to the AF speed. So it appears a company can get great AF speed without having PDAF on the sensor.
The FZ-1000 indeed has very fast (faster than most dSLR's), AF-S, (thanks to DFD).

But only 6fps "C"-AF.

Sony's new hybrid-PD sensor in RX10-"IV" and RX100-"V" can do faster AF-S and "C"-AF @ 25fps, (and video @ 960fps).
So why are you upset with Sony for not letting Nikon get the lastest Sony sensors? I think they can get by without it.
The newest D850 is only 7/9fps compared to 20fps in A9 w/ no-blackout.

And D850 Live-View AF-delay is over 1-second.
But also since Nikon makes their own sensors, can't we expect that not having the latest Sony chips is not really something holding back Nikon?
Where do you get the idea they "make" their own sensors ???

Most Nikons have Sony sensors.
Here's an interesting article from Imaging Resources on how involved Nikon is in designing at least some of their own sensors.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/ne...-inside-nikons-super-secret-sensor-design-lab

They contract sensor manufacture, no doubt license some technology, but appear to develop IP specific to their own needs.


Cheers,
Doug
 
Good God, WHY do you worry if Nikon can pull it off? Producing a competitive milc is the least of their problems. Even if Nikon's milc will be industry leading, what lenses will we use on it?? Sony has it's own lenses, Zeiss lenses, Sigma, Tamron, Tokina, Samyang and other lesser names lenses. What will Nikon have? Two lenses introduced along with a camera? Maybe it is a good start but I fear prices wont be low. F-mount adapter won't help much, those lenses will look ridiculous on milc body and God only knows how well will it perform. We need both optically excellent and stylish new mount lenses. Current F-mount lenses are cheap made and ugly and to be honest not even optically competitive to current Sony, Zeiss and Sigma lenses. What we need are third party lens options. It took Sigma 5 years to "make" native Sony milc lenses. How long will it take to make Nikon milc lenses? Without lens options people will be reluctant to switch. I am eager to buy Nikon milc no matter how good it will be because I know it will fit my needs. I just don'k know what lenses I will use. That is MY worry.
 
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Considering that Nikon is somewhat dependent on SONY for its sensors, do you think Sony will SELL their (latest/greatest) sensor technology to Nikon ???

Panasonic appears to be still stuck with Sony's "first" generation 1"-type sensors for their FZ series. (the newer FZ-2500 appears to still have the same sensor as 1000 -- and 300 same as original 200)

I suggest one reason Nikon dropped their (announced "DL") bridges is because Sony refused to sell their new PD-hybrid AF and "C"-AF @ 25fps sensor, (now used in Sony RX10-"IV").
I agree and said neatly the same a long time back in another post ' did Sony say no advanced 1in sensors for you!' and was made fun of but also maybe not really an antibiotic competitive thing if this was after earthquake caused sensor production problems. aalso Maybe Sony had limited amount of the 1in and Nikon had to prioritize what to make baed on the supply problems. Interesting speculation but is a 'non disclosure' matter?
I suggest Nikon must BETTER, (at least "equal"), Sony's A7 & A9, (which is 99% reliant on their latest technology "sensor"), if they want to compete.

Some of you may reply that they do not need to 101+% to compete because they are "NIKON" (and "CANON"), and I could agree if they were 100% compatible with legacy lenses -- but since they will have a new mount, (requiring an "adapter") -- they somewhat lose that advantage, (because Sony can also use legacy lenses w/ adapters).

Note that I have been Nikon since 1967, and have over a dozen Nikon lenses, (that I am only keeping to see what Nikon can produce so I can use them).

But if I have to "adapt" anyway, I may prefer to do it with A7-A9 if their bodies/sensors are higher technology with more options/features.
 
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Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this..
Is miniscule until you compare in Live-View mode, (which is the only "true" comparison).
How exactly would a RAW image taken in live view be any different ?
And Nikon has NOTHING to compare to A9.
As I thought you are just trolling for Sony and have zero interest in Nikon :-) hence your negativity in every single comment. The A9 is an excellent camera no questions asked. However here in the UK it has had a price reduction and on constant promotion with free extended warranties, battery grip, trade in bonus and a free Rotolight . Not a sign of a camera setting the heather on fire .


Meanwhile the already more expensive D5 and 1DXII both had price increases. And for working pros there is a lot more to a camera than a body with some clever tricks and the A9 has many.

Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
True, but they have still stated they are restricting their latest/greatest.
They can only restrict their own specific designs , if company x says the want a sensor with X, Y and Z tweaks that they are prepared to pay for they will do exactly that. As I say if you look at the RAW test samples from DPreview etc the difference in DR, noise etc between the D850 and A7rIII is near zero.
 
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Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this..
Is miniscule until you compare in Live-View mode, (which is the only "true" comparison).
How exactly would a RAW image taken in live view be any different ?
And Nikon has NOTHING to compare to A9.
As I thought you are just trolling for Sony and have zero interest in Nikon :-) hence your negativity in every single comment. The A9 is an excellent camera no questions asked. However here in the UK it has had a price reduction and on constant promotion with free extended warranties, battery grip, trade in bonus and a free Rotolight . Not a sign of a camera setting the heather on fire .

https://www.wexphotovideo.com/sony-...d671866fba1f806b7a0a220a49c11c2&utm_source=aw

Meanwhile the already more expensive D5 and 1DXII both had price increases. And for working pros there is a lot more to a camera than a body with some clever tricks and the A9 has many.
Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
True, but they have still stated they are restricting their latest/greatest.
They can only restrict their own specific designs , if company x says the want a sensor with X, Y and Z tweaks that they are prepared to pay for they will do exactly that. As I say if you look at the RAW test samples from DPreview etc the difference in DR, noise etc between the D850 and A7rIII is near zero.
+1 again.
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Jim Stirling
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.

--
Jim Stirling
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams
+1
You can give the post a +100, (or even +1000 if you like).

But it does not change the (apparent) FACT they won't sell their latest/greatest.

I am VERY UPSET that Panasonic is (apparently) being prevented from improving the FZ with the new (PD and faster-writing) sensor.
I gave James Stirlings post a +1 because I agreed with what he said and I also believe it is the actuality of what happens in respect of Nikon. I've read much the same from other posters.

I couldn't give a hoot about Panasonic as I don't use their cameras. But if you are so upset re Panasonic contact them and complain to them direct and see what they say. But for Nikon this is a non issue. Thank you to Mr Stirling for wording his response so well and so clearly.
I think from looking at the OP's response to every single positive comment made about Nikon it is rather clear he has no interest in Nikon, just another way to promote Sony.
Thank you. Yes I think you're right. Anyway I hope the Nikon launch and subsequent sales go well.
--
Jim Stirling
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.

--
Jim Stirling
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams
+1
You can give the post a +100, (or even +1000 if you like).

But it does not change the (apparent) FACT they won't sell their latest/greatest.

I am VERY UPSET that Panasonic is (apparently) being prevented from improving the FZ with the new (PD and faster-writing) sensor.
I gave James Stirlings post a +1 because I agreed with what he said and I also believe it is the actuality of what happens in respect of Nikon. I've read much the same from other posters.

I couldn't give a hoot about Panasonic as I don't use their cameras. But if you are so upset re Panasonic contact them and complain to them direct and see what they say. But for Nikon this is a non issue. Thank you to Mr Stirling for wording his response so well and so clearly.
I think from looking at the OP's response to every single positive comment made about Nikon it is rather clear he has no interest in Nikon, just another way to promote Sony.
Did I not state that I have been Nikon since 1967 and have over a dozen Nikon bodies and more than a dozen lenses, (that I still want to use on a "competitive" Nikon digital).

Nikon was indeed ahead with the D70/D1x that had the electronic shutter that could flash-sync @ 1/1000/4000s but that was many years ago now.

I bought a NIKON P500, (because it was "NIKON"), but it was the slowest/worse camera I ever owned.

I do NOT own a Sony now, (and don't mean to "promote" them), but have to admit I am jealous of both the RX100-"V" and RX10-"IV", (but too expensive).

So I simply want Nikon and Panasonic to be able the (price-competitively) compete w/ Sony.
 
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Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.

--
Jim Stirling
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams
+1
You can give the post a +100, (or even +1000 if you like).

But it does not change the (apparent) FACT they won't sell their latest/greatest.

I am VERY UPSET that Panasonic is (apparently) being prevented from improving the FZ with the new (PD and faster-writing) sensor.
I gave James Stirlings post a +1 because I agreed with what he said and I also believe it is the actuality of what happens in respect of Nikon. I've read much the same from other posters.

I couldn't give a hoot about Panasonic as I don't use their cameras. But if you are so upset re Panasonic contact them and complain to them direct and see what they say. But for Nikon this is a non issue. Thank you to Mr Stirling for wording his response so well and so clearly.
I think from looking at the OP's response to every single positive comment made about Nikon it is rather clear he has no interest in Nikon, just another way to promote Sony.
Thank you. Yes I think you're right. Anyway I hope the Nikon launch and subsequent sales go well.
ME TOO ... ME TOO ... ME TOO ...

I am simply stating my fear that they may not be able to (completely) compete, (especially with A9).

And I want Panasonic to be able to compete w/ RX10-IV.
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
 
Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this..
Is miniscule until you compare in Live-View mode, (which is the only "true" comparison).
How exactly would a RAW image taken in live view be any different ?
he said compare in live view, not take a picture with it, and I don't see where he said raw?

i'm sure that you understand that the sony oled evf is far superior to any rear lcd, and that what sony did with the stacked sensor on the a9 is a huge improvement in live view functionality.
And Nikon has NOTHING to compare to A9.
As I thought you are just trolling for Sony and have zero interest in Nikon :-)
i'd say it's more like you are constantly trolling sony these days :-)
hence your negativity in every single comment. The A9 is an excellent camera no questions asked. However here in the UK it has had a price reduction and on constant promotion with free extended warranties, battery grip, trade in bonus and a free Rotolight . Not a sign of a camera setting the heather on fire .

https://www.wexphotovideo.com/sony-...d671866fba1f806b7a0a220a49c11c2&utm_source=aw
funny how you seem to have forgotten that you and I just went thru this the other day...

d5 package with accessories, same price as the bare d5 body: https://www.adorama.com/inkd5xa.html

1dxmk2 package with accessories, same price as the bare 1dxmk2 body: https://www.adorama.com/ica1dxm2aa.html
Meanwhile the already more expensive D5 and 1DXII both had price increases.
I don't recall seeing any price increases for those cameras here in the states.

and in fact the 1dxmk2 has a $500 rebate on it, see the link above, and the a9 is the same price that it was when it was released.
And for working pros there is a lot more to a camera than a body with some clever tricks and the A9 has many.
people who don't need the a9 have no idea why it matters, and what makes it special.
Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.
True, but they have still stated they are restricting their latest/greatest.
They can only restrict their own specific designs , if company x says the want a sensor with X, Y and Z tweaks that they are prepared to pay for they will do exactly that.
they would have to engineer it themselves, because the sony camera division would have obviously made the sony sensor division sign an nda.

the only way that canikon can get the same sensor design that sony uses in it's cameras is if the sony camera division is willing to sell it, and they haven't been... does anyone really think that the little Nikon sensor division is capable of engineering a stacked sensor?

if Nikon has it's own sensor division, why do you think that the d850 doesn't have ospdaf capability?
As I say if you look at the RAW test samples from DPreview etc the difference in DR, noise etc between the D850 and A7rIII is near zero.
and the a7riii sensor has ospdaf, which makes it an impressive engineering achievement.
 
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Just as an aside...

If the premise of the thread is that any company that makes their own sensors has a large competitive advantage over ones that don't, then it's especially odd that Samsung had such a bad experience with NX line. Goodness knows that Samsung can make chips like few others out there.
I think it is nonsensical suggestion ,Nikon currently sells many many more cameras than Sony fact. Sony's sensor fabrication business is far more valuable to the company than the camera division also a fact . Bottom line if Nikon sells a million of these FF cameras what business in its right mind would refuse to sell a million FF sensors to a customer , bottom line is you pay them for what you want and they make it

From a real life usage perspective the differences between the Sony sensor in my A7rIII and the Sony sensor in the D850 is miniscule try actual RAW sample shots to easily confirm this.. Also worth noting is that the Sony image sensor division is a separate entity called Sony Semiconductor Solutions.

--
Jim Stirling
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams
+1
You can give the post a +100, (or even +1000 if you like).

But it does not change the (apparent) FACT they won't sell their latest/greatest.

I am VERY UPSET that Panasonic is (apparently) being prevented from improving the FZ with the new (PD and faster-writing) sensor.
I gave James Stirlings post a +1 because I agreed with what he said and I also believe it is the actuality of what happens in respect of Nikon. I've read much the same from other posters.

I couldn't give a hoot about Panasonic as I don't use their cameras. But if you are so upset re Panasonic contact them and complain to them direct and see what they say. But for Nikon this is a non issue. Thank you to Mr Stirling for wording his response so well and so clearly.
It is not just Panasonic. It limits anyone who relies on Sony for their sensors.

Now I admit there is nothing to prevent any other company to design/build/SELL and equal, (or BETTER), technology sensor. But currently it simply seems that Sony does indeed have the best (sensor) technology. And I assume there is no legal "requirement" that they "must" sell to others.

But the fact remains they are taking advantage of that to be able to offer the highest performing cameras, with there latest technology sensors.

This first applied to their newest 1"-type, (that Sony uses in RX100-"V"/"VI" and RX10-"IV"), but now ALSO includes their FF in the A9.

So this may have had a direct impact on Nikon if that was the reason they dropped their announced DL series, and affects them NOW as they strive to compete with FF/DX when Sony can (legally) remain 2-years ahead by restricting the sensors available to them when the A9 is the current SOTA.

I have stated (5-6 years ago) that Sony has a "technical" advantage because they have historically been an "electronics" company vs conventional cameras companies that have always been "mechanical" based. So the fact is that Sony is fully staffed w/ "electronic" engineers vs Nikon staffed w/ "mechanical" engineers.
And this has been challenged several times. 1) engineers from one department, e.g. games, do not work on products in other departments,
they do when the projects that they were working on are finished, and there isn't anything else in the immediate pipeline.

that said, departments will fight to hang on to good engineers, but it's ultimately a budget issue.
and 2) departments hire the personnel with the necessary education and experience needed for the tasks at hand.
it depends on the skills of the engineers in question, and these days a good engineer often needs to do things outside of what is on his diploma... but a guy with a degree in m.e. is generally the most limited, unless he can write code.

 
There is a lot of talk on here about Sony not selling its best sensors to others. I'd like to read that announcement from Sony - it must exist as people on here are always quoting it. Can you give me the link please ? Thank you.
 
There is a lot of talk on here about Sony not selling its best sensors to others. I'd like to read that announcement from Sony - it must exist as people on here are always quoting it. Can you give me the link please ? Thank you.
here is one reference for it, from a Nikon website no less, lol

"Imaging Resource published their interview with Kenji Tanaka (Senior General Manager Digital Imaging Group, Sony Corp.) and it is their understanding that Sony will no longer provide other manufacturers with some of their sensors/technologies:

As you know well, our key driver is the image sensor, and we already invested a lot of money for the image sensor development. And the sensor is a custom [design, meaning that] only Sony can use these sensors, and our strength is our in-house technology. So I invested in that and we will keep investing in the in-house technology like image sensors.

Ed. note from Dave Etchells: This was new information for me; as far as I'd been aware, Sony's camera division would get access to the latest sensor designs as soon as they came through the design and production cycle, while other companies could buy the same sensor a year later. While this might once have been the case, it appears that Sony currently reserves some level of their sensor technology exclusively for us in their own cameras.

This could be one of the reasons why Nikon has not released a new camera in the past 15 months (I do not count the D3400 and D5600)."

 

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