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E-mount lenses, are they THAT terrible?
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Luddhi
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In general I agree and think this is good and helpful advice, however I would argue that it is best to start with the 2 lens kit (16-50 & 55-210) and then see which focal length(s) are used most or at which focal length IQ is lacking.
(I opted for the a6500 because I use a lot of legacy lenses and thus the IBIS is a boon but that is probably irrelevant in this context)
I've just stated that I've seen the problems that has been mentioned in reviews of the lens. I've never noticed those on my p&s but then I've never looked for them.
Scrolling through some of my images now and they do seem mighty soft so I guess the kits lens will be a nice begginig
Excellent, you've learned something. Now you can make a decision based on your own assessment of the particular lens in hand. So, ignore everyone posting here (myself included) and trust your own eyes.
Those here who sugarcoat or otherwise try to minimize the issues with lenses are doing a disservice to all here.
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I'm going to say it, Luddhi you made "a nonsensical and uncalled for attack"
"You provide no evidence for your opinions." 1. He does have evidence, our photos 2. It isn't an opinion, you can objectively measure certain optical qualities 3. our OP has already indicated his opinion on the optical performance 4. rjjr has not said we had poor photographs.
It's not polarizing at all, just some accidental passion ;-) In any case, I'm sure you have decided what you're willing to trade in terms of price/performance&features/size&weight or you may have found the choice to be even more difficult as we do have lots of options these days. You seem perfectly capable of producing outstanding images regardless of your equipment choice as demonstrated by yourself.
Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
I have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
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Joachim Wulfers
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I got the sense of your quote right and that is all that was necessary. Some here are not as expert as you. So why not demonstrate a bit generosity and point out the flaws, like a good teacher would. I still would be curious to how you would describe the flaws in photos of famous photographers suchs as Adams, Cartier-Bresson, etc. Is it sharpness in corners, DR, sharpness over all, assuming someone showed you the photos and you did not know the author?I said, "Learning how to evaluate images and gear is a skill developed with experience and the desire to improve."He may not have been wrong, but he did not contribute anything to the question of the OP. All he did was saying that "one needs experience to recognize flaws in a lens".Attacking a poster when you don't like the message isn't really all that persuasive.Hmmm. Nearly 15,000 comments over 13 years and no gallery images, no evidence of actually owning Sony gear. At least this forum member had the courage to post some images, even if they may not be the greatest.No need for anyone to post images to show the weaknesses of the lenses since the images you posted adequately demonstrates them.Ignore those who condemn Sony kit lenses. They are only as good as the people shooting with them...and if you note, virtually NONE who condemn them show any examples.
Here are a few of mine:
Bottom line: The kit zooms are genuine bargains. Buy them and you will discover, coming from a non-interchangeable lens camera, what focal lengths you are most likely to use.
And again: ignore the bashers.
How about breaking a 13 year record and posting some images?
Where was he wrong in what he posted, instead?
At least get the quote right.
It partly addressed his "Care to elaborate?" request. How I elaborate is my decision and you have no say in the matter.
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Nope, you got it wrong. Not my fault if you don't understand that simple statement.I got the sense of your quote right and that is all that was necessary.I said, "Learning how to evaluate images and gear is a skill developed with experience and the desire to improve."He may not have been wrong, but he did not contribute anything to the question of the OP. All he did was saying that "one needs experience to recognize flaws in a lens".Attacking a poster when you don't like the message isn't really all that persuasive.Hmmm. Nearly 15,000 comments over 13 years and no gallery images, no evidence of actually owning Sony gear. At least this forum member had the courage to post some images, even if they may not be the greatest.No need for anyone to post images to show the weaknesses of the lenses since the images you posted adequately demonstrates them.Ignore those who condemn Sony kit lenses. They are only as good as the people shooting with them...and if you note, virtually NONE who condemn them show any examples.
Here are a few of mine:
Bottom line: The kit zooms are genuine bargains. Buy them and you will discover, coming from a non-interchangeable lens camera, what focal lengths you are most likely to use.
And again: ignore the bashers.
How about breaking a 13 year record and posting some images?
Where was he wrong in what he posted, instead?
At least get the quote right.
It partly addressed his "Care to elaborate?" request. How I elaborate is my decision and you have no say in the matter.
I taught photography on and off since 1973. A good teacher helps students learn how to find the answers for themselves. It works, it always does if the student is interested in learning. "Teach a man to fish" and all that.
That exercise is actually part of an critique assignment given to students.
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That's how I plan to do it, just have to find time to go to the shop ,it usually takes me hours to decideI have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
Once you know what to look for (as you've already demonstrated) it gets easier. Also be mindful of CA/SA, pincushion/barrel distortion, flaring, and halation.That's how I plan to do it, just have to find time to go to the shop ,it usually takes me hours to decideI have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
skanter
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Pick a shop (or Amazon or B&H) that has 30-day return policy and test to your heart’s content. Asking here gets the same results - ad nauseum as it has for years.That's how I plan to do it, just have to find time to go to the shop ,it usually takes me hours to decideI have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
Take it home, take photos as you normally do and see if they look OK. Don’t drive yourself crazy with a millon tests!--
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paul wassermann
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I think you let ego and testosterone get the best of your willingness to understand and help others.Nope, you got it wrong. Not my fault if you don't understand that simple statement.I got the sense of your quote right and that is all that was necessary.I said, "Learning how to evaluate images and gear is a skill developed with experience and the desire to improve."He may not have been wrong, but he did not contribute anything to the question of the OP. All he did was saying that "one needs experience to recognize flaws in a lens".Attacking a poster when you don't like the message isn't really all that persuasive.Hmmm. Nearly 15,000 comments over 13 years and no gallery images, no evidence of actually owning Sony gear. At least this forum member had the courage to post some images, even if they may not be the greatest.No need for anyone to post images to show the weaknesses of the lenses since the images you posted adequately demonstrates them.Ignore those who condemn Sony kit lenses. They are only as good as the people shooting with them...and if you note, virtually NONE who condemn them show any examples.
Here are a few of mine:
Bottom line: The kit zooms are genuine bargains. Buy them and you will discover, coming from a non-interchangeable lens camera, what focal lengths you are most likely to use.
And again: ignore the bashers.
How about breaking a 13 year record and posting some images?
Where was he wrong in what he posted, instead?
At least get the quote right.
It partly addressed his "Care to elaborate?" request. How I elaborate is my decision and you have no say in the matter.
I taught photography on and off since 1973. A good teacher helps students learn how to find the answers for themselves. It works, it always does if the student is interested in learning. "Teach a man to fish" and all that.
That exercise is actually part of an critique assignment given to students.
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Pick a shop (or Amazon or B&H) that has 30-day return policy and test to your heart’s content. Asking here gets the same results - ad nauseum as it has for years.That's how I plan to do it, just have to find time to go to the shop ,it usually takes me hours to decideI have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
LOL. When did this become the pop psych nonsense forum?I think you let ego and testosterone get the best of your willingness to understand and help others.Nope, you got it wrong. Not my fault if you don't understand that simple statement.I got the sense of your quote right and that is all that was necessary.I said, "Learning how to evaluate images and gear is a skill developed with experience and the desire to improve."He may not have been wrong, but he did not contribute anything to the question of the OP. All he did was saying that "one needs experience to recognize flaws in a lens".Attacking a poster when you don't like the message isn't really all that persuasive.Hmmm. Nearly 15,000 comments over 13 years and no gallery images, no evidence of actually owning Sony gear. At least this forum member had the courage to post some images, even if they may not be the greatest.No need for anyone to post images to show the weaknesses of the lenses since the images you posted adequately demonstrates them.Ignore those who condemn Sony kit lenses. They are only as good as the people shooting with them...and if you note, virtually NONE who condemn them show any examples.
Here are a few of mine:
Bottom line: The kit zooms are genuine bargains. Buy them and you will discover, coming from a non-interchangeable lens camera, what focal lengths you are most likely to use.
And again: ignore the bashers.
How about breaking a 13 year record and posting some images?
Where was he wrong in what he posted, instead?
At least get the quote right.
It partly addressed his "Care to elaborate?" request. How I elaborate is my decision and you have no say in the matter.
I taught photography on and off since 1973. A good teacher helps students learn how to find the answers for themselves. It works, it always does if the student is interested in learning. "Teach a man to fish" and all that.
That exercise is actually part of an critique assignment given to students.
skanter
Forum Pro
Pick a shop (or Amazon or B&H) that has 30-day return policy and test to your heart’s content. Asking here gets the same results - ad nauseum as it has for years.That's how I plan to do it, just have to find time to go to the shop ,it usually takes me hours to decideI have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
So far I'm the only one to give you concrete advice about specifically what to look for when checking out a lens. Take it or leave it but in camera lens correction algorithms aren't used on raws if you decide go that route.That's how I plan to do it, just have to find time to go to the shop ,it usually takes me hours to decideI have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
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Tim Crammond
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You can take a good photo with a poor lens, and a poor photo with a good lens.
But overall it helps to have a good lens
And to take a good photo.
Since I never did have the option, I still don't know if I will go that rout.So far I'm the only one to give you concrete advice about specifically what to look for when checking out a lens. Take it or leave it but in camera lens correction algorithms aren't used on raws if you decide go that route.That's how I plan to do it, just have to find time to go to the shop ,it usually takes me hours to decideI have a shop nearby that I've used for over 20 years. I spend some time there trying any lens they have or they can order for me to try. That's how I decide.Thank you kindly.
The dilemma still remains as to what do I go for .
But at least now I have a much better understanding.
I surely will give it a shot and see how cumbersome it gets.
I do know some PS and have been retouching here and there, but not on raw, and not
each and every picture I take.
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