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Nikon Mirrorless: Both FF and APS-C?

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Thom Hogan caught something that I missed in Nikon's press release:

"Soon, Nikon users will have two industry-leading camera systems to choose from, giving consumers the choice to enjoy the unique values that each system offers." -Nikon Press Release

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"The singular wording in the Development Announcement probably came as a surprise to many, as the rumor sites had been predicting two cameras. Actually, I’m going to predict otherwise. It’s neither one nor two mirrorless cameras coming from Nikon in the coming months, it’s four: two FX and two DX."

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/and-we-got-both.html

APS-C is the sensor size with the huge sales volume, so it makes sense for Nikon to also make an APS-C mirrorless camera.
 
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Or could it mean both FF and medium format?

that crazy Angry Photographer guy seems to think so...because the new lens mount is so big.
 
maadfw said:
The two systems are Dslr and FF mirror less, the way I read it.

-maadfw
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Yes - speaking as an ex-marketing guy, I read this as "Soon there will be a choice between our current industry leading system (dSLR) and a new industry-leading system"

Alternative interpretations have Nikon effectively saying that their current system is not industry-leading - and no-one ever says that, however true it might be
 
Nikon is clearly talking abut its announced high end products: DSLR and now mirrorless in 36x24mm format.
appaws said:
appaws wrote: Or could it mean both FF and medium format? that crazy Angry Photographer guy seems to think so...because the new lens mount is so big.
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He is talking nonsense: at a rumored 49mm diameter, Z-mount is a mere 2mm wider than Canon's EF-M mirrorless mount (for now used only in APS-C) and far narrower than the 65mm of Fujifilm's G mount for the "baby medium format" of 44x33mm. A good lens mount needs to be wider than the sensor's diagonal, so 44x33mm format needs more than 55mm width, and the "full size" medium format sensor need about 70mm or more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount#List_of_lens_mounts
 
A lens mount doesn't need to be wider than the format diagonal; look at the M42 or Leica M39. A large diameter mount makes the lens designer's much easier, that much is true.
 
nick101 said:
maadfw said:
The two systems are Dslr and FF mirror less, the way I read it.

-maadfw
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Yes - speaking as an ex-marketing guy, I read this as "Soon there will be a choice between our current industry leading system (dSLR) and a new industry-leading system"

Alternative interpretations have Nikon effectively saying that their current system is not industry-leading - and no-one ever says that, however true it might be
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I read a site called, phys.org. Every day, happy new stories about "upcoming" innovations in every science and tech field you can name. But if you go back a year or more and analyze all their predictions, they would be as wrong on most of them as a fortune-teller would be.
 
I think it's possible to read this as DSLR and Mirrorless. Those would be the 2 systems.

Full Frame or APS-C are not really systems they are part of a DSLR system. For me the jury is still out - with Nikon it's just easier to wait for what they say to know for sure.
 
DiffractionLtd said:
nick101 said:
maadfw said:
The two systems are Dslr and FF mirror less, the way I read it.

-maadfw
Click to expand...
Yes - speaking as an ex-marketing guy, I read this as "Soon there will be a choice between our current industry leading system (dSLR) and a new industry-leading system"

Alternative interpretations have Nikon effectively saying that their current system is not industry-leading - and no-one ever says that, however true it might be
Click to expand...
I read a site called, phys.org. Every day, happy new stories about "upcoming" innovations in every science and tech field you can name. But if you go back a year or more and analyze all their predictions, they would be as wrong on most of them as a fortune-teller would be.
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Can'r agree with that. However, this discussion isn't really about predicting - it's about parsing marketing-speak. All I can say is that the only interpretation I can see that fits a marketing mentality is that Nikon is adding another "industry-leading" systems to its already "industry-leading" system.

But, as you suggest - that's just me and I don't know anything for sure about the future. If I did, I'd be a lot richer than I am
 
Herkybird said:
A lens mount doesn't need to be wider than the format diagonal; look at the M42 or Leica M39. A large diameter mount makes the lens designer's much easier, that much is true.
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I said a _good_ lens mount, and with the needs of modern sensors and lens needs in mind, which includes higher exit pupils than worked with some M42 mount lenses, in particular with the best designs for longer focal lengths. Also, M42 is only very slightly narrower (42mm vs 43.3mm frame diagonal), whereas Z mount at 49mm is well under the 55mm of 44x33 "baby medium format".

Anyway , what is with this persistent obsession with rumors/fantasies/bogus arguments that Canon or Nikon are about to enter the far smaller and dwindling market for formats larger than 36x24mm? I have been reading these for well over a decade, with never a hint of any coming true. Canon, Nikon and Sony are happily "drinking the milkshake" of the medium format sector with their ever-improving 36x24mm systems. The main solid argument I hear from MF-using professionals (as opposed to internet chatter from people who have ever used digital MF) for staying with it is the bigger, brighter image in the huge OVF—but with EVFs, the VF image size and brightness is no longer tied to the format size.
 
twamers said:
I think it's possible to read this as DSLR and Mirrorless. Those would be the 2 systems.

Full Frame or APS-C are not really systems they are part of a DSLR system. For me the jury is still out - with Nikon it's just easier to wait for what they say to know for sure.
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Agree. Since sensor size really isn't a "system", I think it is the only way to read it.
 
justmeMN said:
Thom Hogan caught something that I missed in Nikon's press release:

"Soon, Nikon users will have two industry-leading camera systems to choose from, giving consumers the choice to enjoy the unique values that each system offers." -Nikon Press Release
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Couldn't this simple be the FF Mirrorless and DSLRs? Systems..
 
Me too, that is the plain sense of it, DSLR and mirrorless. There is a widespread assumption that there will be DX and FX mirrorless, but this statement doesn't say that. Hogan may have inside information.

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DiffractionLtd said:
nick101 said:
maadfw said:
The two systems are Dslr and FF mirror less, the way I read it.

-maadfw
Click to expand...
Yes - speaking as an ex-marketing guy, I read this as "Soon there will be a choice between our current industry leading system (dSLR) and a new industry-leading system"

Alternative interpretations have Nikon effectively saying that their current system is not industry-leading - and no-one ever says that, however true it might be
Click to expand...
I read a site called, phys.org. Every day, happy new stories about "upcoming" innovations in every science and tech field you can name. But if you go back a year or more and analyze all their predictions, they would be as wrong on most of them as a fortune-teller would be.
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For a yes - no decision you maybe right half the time, by flipping a coin😀
 
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