Which DSLR for macro and landscape photography?

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Hi @LL,

I have become a hobbyist photographer since a year ago, taking my smart phone camera everywhere. I want to go up a level and buy a DSLR camera. My specialty in photography is macro and landscape photos, of course other photos I also shoot, but these onces I shoot mainly.

I want to know which DSLR camera should I buy that can provide me great macro and landscape photos? I was searching on Google and when I entered what is a great camera for macro and photography it just gave me separate options for ONLY macro or ONLY landscape photography and the cameras were different.

I am looking into mid-range DSLR's. Anyone can give me advice? Much appreciated!
 
In both cases the lenses make more difference than the bodies. Are you expecting to buy multiple lenses, or get by with the kit lens for some of this?

Kelly Cook
 
In both cases the lenses make more difference than the bodies. Are you expecting to buy multiple lenses, or get by with the kit lens for some of this?

Kelly Cook
Hi Kelly

I want to first get by with the kit lens and with one extra lens I will buy separately and in the future will want to buy other lenses too.
 
if you want a dslr and got the cash because you claimed no budget

pentax k1 with the 28-105mm lens

and the 100 macro lens.

if you are looking for cheap macro m43 is a good start, and you can shoot landscape too, it wont have as much stuff as a high mp dslr.
 
I have not tried the Olympus 12-50 kit lens, but have seen mention that it will focus closer than most kit lenses.

For landscapes, the Fuji 18-55 and Panasonic 12-60 are sharper than your average kit lens. Both are available as the kit lens on some models, but not all models.

As a general rule specialty lenses for M4/3 will be less costly than for Fuji. Neither Fuji nor M4/3 are DSLR. The DSLR realm is mostly Canon and Nikon, Pentax can be hard to find in some markets. Canon has a few more budget lenses than Nikon, if you don't need a top lens. Both Canon and Nikon have premium lenses, at prices like Fuji, or higher.

I'm cheap, happy with M4/3.

Kelly
 
Both of these applications can be fairly specialized and lens choice will be the biggest decision you have to make. Don't worry so much about the camera, lenses will make a much bigger difference for macro/landscape. Factor a quality tripod into your budget too if you want to do extreme macro or big landscape prints. If you are taking more dynamic shots or just quick snapshots on hikes, you probably won't need this as much. You could also get a macro ring light or ring flash system if you want to avoid casting shadows with your camera/lens, do product photography, or just better control light in your shots. This isn't necessary for every shot or macro application, but it can be a game-changer for lighting extreme up-close shots.

Much of macro and landscape photography uses live-view, not the optical viewfinder, so a mirrorless camera may be a more practical choice. Of course, if you prefer an optical viewfinder for other shots, that's your choice, but it's not a huge help for either of the two main applications you list. If you are tripod mounted in either macro or landscape photography, you will also typically use mirror lock-up to prevent extra vibrations, which will block usage of the optical viewfinder anyway. These factors make a DSLR an odd choice for macro or landscape only usage, but the optical viewfinder can be nice in general purpose photography. Either way, definitely get something with a folding/flipping/articulating lcd screen. It will make macro and landscape sooo much more comfortable.

Pick out a macro lens and wide angle lens from the same company or lens mount that you like and fit within your budget, then pick a body with that mount. Kit lenses are built to be moderately ok at everything, but typically don't excel at any specific application. For example, the minimum focus distance might be too far to get real macro shots, or it might not give wide enough of a view for really broad landscapes. As a kit lens analogy, a swiss army knife is really handy to have with you, but a dedicated knife, screw driver, or bottle opener will always be better and less compromised. In essence, a kit lens is kind of just an affordable jack of all trades.

If you want to go mirrorless, the Canon EF-M 28mm macro, 22mm, and 11-22mm are very affordable and optically excellent lenses for their EOS M series.

The EF-S 35mm macro and EF-S 10-22 are slightly more expensive options for their SLR lineup. The 100mm 2.8 macro is a longer macro lens, but is also a bit more expensive (I don't know your budget).

I'm afraid I don't know the Nikon, Fuji, Sony, or M43 lineup well enough to be able to make suggestions, but hopefully other people will chime in.

As a wild card, the Pentax KP could be interesting for landscape use as it offers weather sealing (if that is important to you) and has pixel shift technology (where the sensor shifts slightly and takes several exposures to create a higher resolution composite image for static subjects).

It would help us give better suggestions if you list your budget and any other features/preferences you want. Just about any camera can be used to take an interesting picture of a landscape or relatively close-up photo of a subject, it's more about how specialized vs general you want your equipment to be and that mostly comes down to lens choice. Also, don't underestimate the photographer's role in taking interesting pictures. Hope this helps! :)
 
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Pentax has some good cameras, for sure. And their reputation for durability is a feather in their cap. You'd have to investigate the Pentax options for a macro lens, as I'm unfamiliar.

From Nikon, the D7200 is a great mid-range camera. Or you might bump up to one of the lower-end FX models. Nikon has so many lens choices whether DX or FX.
 
I have not tried the Olympus 12-50 kit lens, but have seen mention that it will focus closer than most kit lenses.

For landscapes, the Fuji 18-55 and Panasonic 12-60 are sharper than your average kit lens. Both are available as the kit lens on some models, but not all models.

As a general rule specialty lenses for M4/3 will be less costly than for Fuji. Neither Fuji nor M4/3 are DSLR. The DSLR realm is mostly Canon and Nikon, Pentax can be hard to find in some markets. Canon has a few more budget lenses than Nikon, if you don't need a top lens. Both Canon and Nikon have premium lenses, at prices like Fuji, or higher.

I'm cheap, happy with M4/3.

Kelly
Thank you for your response. I will take a look into these lenses that you mentioned and do my research ;)
 
if you want a dslr and got the cash because you claimed no budget

pentax k1 with the 28-105mm lens

and the 100 macro lens.

if you are looking for cheap macro m43 is a good start, and you can shoot landscape too, it wont have as much stuff as a high mp dslr.
Sorry about that. I am looking for a DSLR camera in the price range of 800 - 1000 USD.

The M43, will look it up. Thanks! :)
 
Both of these applications can be fairly specialized and lens choice will be the biggest decision you have to make. Don't worry so much about the camera, lenses will make a much bigger difference for macro/landscape. Factor a quality tripod into your budget too if you want to do extreme macro or big landscape prints. If you are taking more dynamic shots or just quick snapshots on hikes, you probably won't need this as much. You could also get a macro ring light or ring flash system if you want to avoid casting shadows with your camera/lens, do product photography, or just better control light in your shots. This isn't necessary for every shot or macro application, but it can be a game-changer for lighting extreme up-close shots.

Much of macro and landscape photography uses live-view, not the optical viewfinder, so a mirrorless camera may be a more practical choice. Of course, if you prefer an optical viewfinder for other shots, that's your choice, but it's not a huge help for either of the two main applications you list. If you are tripod mounted in either macro or landscape photography, you will also typically use mirror lock-up to prevent extra vibrations, which will block usage of the optical viewfinder anyway. These factors make a DSLR an odd choice for macro or landscape only usage, but the optical viewfinder can be nice in general purpose photography. Either way, definitely get something with a folding/flipping/articulating lcd screen. It will make macro and landscape sooo much more comfortable.

Pick out a macro lens and wide angle lens from the same company or lens mount that you like and fit within your budget, then pick a body with that mount. Kit lenses are built to be moderately ok at everything, but typically don't excel at any specific application. For example, the minimum focus distance might be too far to get real macro shots, or it might not give wide enough of a view for really broad landscapes. As a kit lens analogy, a swiss army knife is really handy to have with you, but a dedicated knife, screw driver, or bottle opener will always be better and less compromised. In essence, a kit lens is kind of just an affordable jack of all trades.

If you want to go mirrorless, the Canon EF-M 28mm macro, 22mm, and 11-22mm are very affordable and optically excellent lenses for their EOS M series.

The EF-S 35mm macro and EF-S 10-22 are slightly more expensive options for their SLR lineup. The 100mm 2.8 macro is a longer macro lens, but is also a bit more expensive (I don't know your budget).

I'm afraid I don't know the Nikon, Fuji, Sony, or M43 lineup well enough to be able to make suggestions, but hopefully other people will chime in.

As a wild card, the Pentax KP could be interesting for landscape use as it offers weather sealing (if that is important to you) and has pixel shift technology (where the sensor shifts slightly and takes several exposures to create a higher resolution composite image for static subjects).

It would help us give better suggestions if you list your budget and any other features/preferences you want. Just about any camera can be used to take an interesting picture of a landscape or relatively close-up photo of a subject, it's more about how specialized vs general you want your equipment to be and that mostly comes down to lens choice. Also, don't underestimate the photographer's role in taking interesting pictures. Hope this helps! :)
Hi Tamara,

Thanks for this detailed info. :)

I was thinking about buying a camera between 800 - 1000 USD. I have my eyes set on the Canon EOS 80D and the EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM or EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro USM macro lenses. I googled the differences between these two macro lenses but the wordings are jibberish to me. Anyway, I know I want a good macro lens where clarity, quality will be of utter importance. That what makes macro shots so damn great! :D

I was also looking at the Nikon D5600 but I can see that it falls behind the Canon EOS 80D. I didn't hear about Pentax's but I will google them up later.
 
if you want a dslr and got the cash because you claimed no budget

pentax k1 with the 28-105mm lens

and the 100 macro lens.

if you are looking for cheap macro m43 is a good start, and you can shoot landscape too, it wont have as much stuff as a high mp dslr.
Sorry about that. I am looking for a DSLR camera in the price range of 800 - 1000 USD.
Getting a DSLR with a couple of lenses for that price is not a problem. You may wish to shop refurbished in order to stay in budget, and FX is probably out of the running.

The trick is fitting a dedicated macro lens into that budget along with the camera and landscape lens(es).

The good news, for Nikon shopping at least, the modern 18-55 kit lenses are very good for landscape photography and general use. And if you select a camera that doesn't come with a kit lens, they are inexpensive.
 
if you want a dslr and got the cash because you claimed no budget

pentax k1 with the 28-105mm lens

and the 100 macro lens.

if you are looking for cheap macro m43 is a good start, and you can shoot landscape too, it wont have as much stuff as a high mp dslr.
Sorry about that. I am looking for a DSLR camera in the price range of 800 - 1000 USD.
Getting a DSLR with a couple of lenses for that price is not a problem. You may wish to shop refurbished in order to stay in budget, and FX is probably out of the running.

The trick is fitting a dedicated macro lens into that budget along with the camera and landscape lens(es).

The good news, for Nikon shopping at least, the modern 18-55 kit lenses are very good for landscape photography and general use. And if you select a camera that doesn't come with a kit lens, they are inexpensive.
 
Anyways, thanks for the suggestions. What are your thoughts about the Canon EOS D80 or the Nikon D5600?
I know that Canon cameras are just as good as Nikon, but I don't know which Canon models are comparable to which Nikon models. They all take great photos.

The D5600 is a very lightweight and compact DSLR that features an articulating screen, something that few other DSLRs offer.

Personally I prefer the 7000-series like the D7100, D7200, D7500. I find the physical knobs and buttons more effective and efficient than using cameras that rely on system menus and LCD screens.
 
I was thinking about buying a camera between 800 - 1000 USD. I have my eyes set on the Canon EOS 80D and the EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM or EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro USM macro lenses. I googled the differences between these two macro lenses but the wordings are jibberish to me.
The 100 f2.8 is (second link) an older lens, but should still give good results, maybe with slower AF. The 100 2.8L IS (first link) has image stabilization (denoted IS), which means that there is a lens element inside setup on a gyroscopic system that will shift slightly when necessary to help mitigate camera shake. It won't help if there is a lot of shake (like riding in a 4x4 safari), but if you are shooting handheld without a tripod, it can be really useful. This is especially useful with longer focal lengths like this lens, where you would ordinarily need to use a much higher shutter speed to prevent shake or blur.

It is also an "L" lens, which is Canon's denotation for something with higher quality lens optics. You might find it to be a little sharper, have more contrast, or be less prone to flare than the other lens, just check sample photos to see.

Whether the price difference justifies the extra image quality or stabilization is totally up to you and your budget. If you want a 100mm macro lens, the price difference between the two isn't that much right now, so personally I would get the L lens, but that's just my opinion. Either of the 100mm options will be good for macro, portraiture, and telephoto landscapes.

The 35mm macro that I mentioned earlier would also be good for general photography walking around and has a built-in lighting to start you out, but you would have to get closer to your subject to get the same magnification.
I was also looking at the Nikon D5600 but I can see that it falls behind the Canon EOS 80D.
The 80D was launched just over two years ago, so expect the 90D or whatever the next model is to come out sometime in the next year. The 80D is still a very good camera and the main differences in the new model will probably be video related with perhaps a little extra dynamic range if that is important to you. The 80D will probably go on sale when this happens. If you aren't in a hurry, you could wait for the sales, but we can't know when this will happen for sure, it could be another 6 months.

It looks like the 80D and older 6D sell for about the same price body only, so that could be an option too if you want full frame. Looking at specs, the 6D would be objectively less advanced in just about every other aspect, however. In macro + landscape, you are typically struggling to get more in focus, not less, so full frame would not be an advantage imho, just thought that I would throw the choice out there.

If you plan on using bigger or longer lenses like the 100mm, a DSLR will probably fit better with these lenses vs a mirrorless body from a handling perspective simply because it is larger and heavier. While something like the M100 or M50 work great with smaller lenses and are really easy to carry on walks or when hiking for landscape, they definitely would not be as comfortable to use with the bigger lenses.

I can't really tell you much about the modern Nikon lineup, sorry!
I didn't hear about Pentax's but I will google them up later.
They don't have as many users as the big two (canon/nikon) and I don't own one, but I have heard good things about them before. Their lens selection probably won't be as big, but on the flip side, if they have the lenses that you want, the rest of their selection shouldn't matter. Just a thought.

BTW, I'm a guy, my screen name is from one of my favorite animals, haha
 
The 100 f2.8 is (second link) an older lens, but should still give good results, maybe with slower AF. The 100 2.8L IS (first link) has image stabilization (denoted IS), which means that there is a lens element inside setup on a gyroscopic system that will shift slightly when necessary to help mitigate camera shake. It won't help if there is a lot of shake (like riding in a 4x4 safari), but if you are shooting handheld without a tripod, it can be really useful. This is especially useful with longer focal lengths like this lens, where you would ordinarily need to use a much higher shutter speed to prevent shake or blur.
Thank you for explaining that to me. By any chance, do you know what UMS means? IS is for Image Stabilization as you pointed out. But UMS?

I am so used to shooting with my smartphone camera, that I always capture macros handheld especially if I am capturing bees or any other insects that have ADHD hehe :) I think I will have to get a tripod if I want to capture some nice interesting shots without any shakes or smudges on my photos. Thanks for the pointer!
It is also an "L" lens, which is Canon's denotation for something with higher quality lens optics. You might find it to be a little sharper, have more contrast, or be less prone to flare than the other lens, just check sample photos to see.
Will do. :)
Whether the price difference justifies the extra image quality or stabilization is totally up to you and your budget. If you want a 100mm macro lens, the price difference between the two isn't that much right now, so personally I would get the L lens, but that's just my opinion. Either of the 100mm options will be good for macro, portraiture, and telephoto landscapes.
I will probably end up buying the "L" version and as you pointed out, the lens makes a huge difference in quality.
The 35mm macro that I mentioned earlier would also be good for general photography walking around and has a built-in lighting to start you out, but you would have to get closer to your subject to get the same magnification.
That is the thing with these 35-55mm lenses, you have to get close to the subject, which when I am photographing insects with my smartphone (using a BC Master 15x lens), I have to get really close to the subject and sometimes I scare it away (butterflies in particular). I was aiming for the 100mm lens and even a little beyond that like in the 200mm dept.
The 80D was launched just over two years ago, so expect the 90D or whatever the next model is to come out sometime in the next year. The 80D is still a very good camera and the main differences in the new model will probably be video related with perhaps a little extra dynamic range if that is important to you. The 80D will probably go on sale when this happens. If you aren't in a hurry, you could wait for the sales, but we can't know when this will happen for sure, it could be another 6 months.
I won't be using that much video on a DSLR as I have a camcorder which does the job pretty well. I don't think I will be using it at all, well maybe once or twice in a year. That's it.
It looks like the 80D and older 6D sell for about the same price body only, so that could be an option too if you want full frame. Looking at specs, the 6D would be objectively less advanced in just about every other aspect, however. In macro + landscape, you are typically struggling to get more in focus, not less, so full frame would not be an advantage imho, just thought that I would throw the choice out there.
Isn't a full frame better in capturing light and detail than the cropped sensor ASP-C?
They don't have as many users as the big two (canon/nikon) and I don't own one, but I have heard good things about them before. Their lens selection probably won't be as big, but on the flip side, if they have the lenses that you want, the rest of their selection shouldn't matter. Just a thought.
Thank you :)
BTW, I'm a guy, my screen name is from one of my favorite animals, haha
I didn't know. Sorry about that! Haha :D

My name is Dominik :)
 
Anyways, thanks for the suggestions. What are your thoughts about the Canon EOS D80 or the Nikon D5600?
I know that Canon cameras are just as good as Nikon, but I don't know which Canon models are comparable to which Nikon models. They all take great photos.

The D5600 is a very lightweight and compact DSLR that features an articulating screen, something that few other DSLRs offer.

Personally I prefer the 7000-series like the D7100, D7200, D7500. I find the physical knobs and buttons more effective and efficient than using cameras that rely on system menus and LCD screens.
Not to mention the 7000 series has in-camera focus motors, so you can use film-era "screw drive" autofocus lenses (The Nikon 'D' series). You can find used examples for pretty short money. For instance, I see the Nikon 28-105 AF-D for under $150* on eBay. It works with all Nikon F-mount cameras (so DX and FX) but will only autofocus with the ones with an in-body motor to drive the lens. This lens should work with a D90 or D300 (both of which are pretty cheap used) I see a D90 for $149. Or you could go for a D7000, which is IMO a much nicer camera. The D5000 and D3000 series cannot focus the D lenses.

*makes me a little sad, as I spent a lot more on mine - but that was in the the 90s.

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in macro mode, the 28-105 will focus as close as 22cm.

For landscapes, you might want to add a wider lens (either zoom or prime). If you're looking at AF-D lenses, you might find the 20mm prime for $300-ish or a wider DX lens

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By any chance, do you know what UMS means? IS is for Image Stabilization as you pointed out. But UMS?
USM means Ultrasonic Motor, it's just a type of focusing motor in the lens. You will also see some Canon lenses labeled STM, meaning Stepper Motor. STM is typically quieter and transitions a little smoother, making it better for video. USM can sometimes be a hair faster, but it really depends upon what lens you are looking at. A lot of USM lenses can also use direct manual focus which is a little more responsive than focus by wire systems like STM. It's kind of a toss-up depending upon your application, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Here's an article describing a little more.
I am so used to shooting with my smartphone camera, that I always capture macros handheld especially if I am capturing bees or any other insects that have ADHD hehe :) I think I will have to get a tripod if I want to capture some nice interesting shots without any shakes or smudges on my photos. Thanks for the pointer!
You will notice that subjects extremely close or extremely far away will require higher shutter speeds to prevent motion blur from camera shake. Image stabilization is helpful in mitigating this, but won't totally prevent it if you get really close. It also only works for movement on your end, it won't stop motion blur from your subject moving. If you end up doing tracking shots of fast moving objects like birds or motorsports where you want the subject in focus but background to have motion blur, you would typically disable IS for that shot because it can misinterpret tracking motion.
That is the thing with these 35-55mm lenses, you have to get close to the subject, which when I am photographing insects with my smartphone (using a BC Master 15x lens), I have to get really close to the subject and sometimes I scare it away (butterflies in particular). I was aiming for the 100mm lens and even a little beyond that like in the 200mm dept.
Very true and that really just comes down to how skittish your subject is. Here are a couple samples from my EF-M 28mm macro. These are all from the last few days, so SOOC (straight out of camera) jpg, no adjustments or cropping.

Garden bees
Garden bees

Lorquin's Admiral with damaged wings
Lorquin's Admiral with damaged wings

I don't mess with hornets, kept my distance for this one
I don't mess with hornets, kept my distance for this one

Look closely; there's a spider hiding on this blackberry branch!
Look closely; there's a spider hiding on this blackberry branch!

I can't get quite as close to faster insects, but I can do very nice nice macros of flowers and also get views of the entire park or garden with the same compact lens. Everything in photography is a compromise of one sort or another.
It looks like the 80D and older 6D sell for about the same price body only, so that could be an option too if you want full frame. Looking at specs, the 6D would be objectively less advanced in just about every other aspect, however. In macro + landscape, you are typically struggling to get more in focus, not less, so full frame would not be an advantage imho, just thought that I would throw the choice out there.
Isn't a full frame better in capturing light and detail than the cropped sensor ASP-C?
Be careful that you don't start a flame war over this, lol. It is a contentious subject online.

Short answer:

1. Capturing light: rephrase input, unable to parse

If you are talking about exposure in the traditional sense, then no it does not capture light better. The same aperture, shutter, and ISO settings on two different systems will give you the same exposure and "brightness" to the image.

If you are talking about "total light" because it is a bigger surface area, I have never seen this concept satisfactorily explained or read any historical precedent for it. I tend to think that this is irrelevant and/or BS.

You may get less noise at higher ISO, but the overall brightness of the image, color reproduction, and tonality should be the same.

2. Detail:

No. Sensor size does not affect the detail captured, that is up to other factors like optical resolution, sensor resolution, field of view, aperture used, distance from subject, etc.

Long answer with explanations:

First of all, "full-frame" and "cropped sensor" are both kind of loaded terms given that 35mm itself is a "crop" of medium format and only "full-frame" in regards to 35mm film.

There are different photographic formats using different sized sensors and film, so if you hear the terms "equivalent" or "crop factor" these are just being used to compare different formats using 35mm film as a standard or common denominator. Most of the time, this is just so that you can get the same field of view with different formats.

As for the detail part, there is optical resolution and digital resolution, which are two different things. Optical resolution describes how much detail your lens can resolve, which is related to sharpness. Digital resolution is just a measurement of how many pixels are in the digital image. Oftentimes on the forums, you will see these referred to interchangeable, which just confuses the issue. If you have a crappy lens, but a really high digital resolution, you won't get more detail out of the image. On the flip side, if you have a really nice lens and a lower digital resolution, you can effectively cap or throttle the optical resolution of the final image with your sensor. The ideal situation is the latter where you aren't limited by your optical resolution.

There is a catch; If you use the same lens on a 35mm and aps-c body, it will project the same size image circle, but the aps-c sensor will capture a smaller section of this. In effect, this makes the image appear more "zoomed in" or "cropped" on the same lens. For example, if you have a 24mp aps-c sensor and 24mp 35mm sensor both using the same lens on the same subject at the same distance, the aps-c sensor will appear to display more detail simply because it has the advantage of cramming those same pixels into a smaller area. If you backed up with the aps-c setup or used a lens with an equivalent field of view, detail would appear the same in this scenario.

Larger sensors have the potential to capture a less noisy image at a given ISO, but this also depends upon the technology used in the sensor and it's age. Newer sensors will generally perform better than older sensors as technology advances. When comparing sensors of the same generation, higher resolution sensors will typically have worse noise performance, while lower resolution sensors will typically have better noise performance. This is a generalization, however, and really just depends upon the sensor in question. Between aps-c and 35mm sensors, you won't see much difference in noise until after at least 800 ISO.

The other big difference between photographic formats is that larger sensors will have a shallower depth of field (DOF) for a given aperture than smaller ones. DOF refers to the area in focus around the focal plane, which is an imaginary wall standing in front of your camera running perpendicular to your view. When you change your focus, you slide this wall either closer to you or further away from you. Large apertures (smaller numerical f-stops) will have less in focus on either side of this focus plane, while small apertures (large numerical f-stops) will have a lot more in focus on either side of this plane.

Going back to our discussion of formats, f/2.8 on a 35mm sensor will have a shallower DOF and a lot less in focus than f/2.8 on an aps-c sensor. In order to get the same focus effect, you would either need to stop down the lens on the 35mm setup, giving you a dimmer exposure unless you adjust the shutter speed or ISO, or you could open the aperture on the aps-c setup wider.

Macro and landscape photography are the two fields where it is the most important to understand how focus and DOF works. For example, if you want an entire landscape or macro object in focus, you have to manually pick a point somewhere in the middle and adjust your aperture to change your DOF until you have all subjects in satisfactory focus. If you just snap a macro or landscape shot in auto mode, the camera will pick a single point to focus on and most of the shot will not be in focus.

"If smaller apertures put more in focus, why not just stop down more?" you might ask. Well, you can, but at a certain point you run into a thing called diffraction. Diffraction describes how waves behave when encountering narrow apertures or slits. This can refer to sound, radio waves, microwaves, or any other frequency, but here we are applying it to visible light. Essentially, when light (which can be described both as a wave and a particle, don't worry about it here) passes through a small opening, it diffracts, scattering it across a wider area. In photography, this has the effect of softening your image and making it appear less sharp across the frame. On aps-c you run into this somewhere around f/8 to f/11, while on 35mm, you would encounter it somewhere around f/11 to f/16, depending upon lens. Stop down too much will make your image less sharp, but have more in focus, it all comes back to a compromise.

The upside of this is that smaller formats can use wider apertures for a brighter exposure, but still have a deeper DOF. Larger formats need to stop down the aperture more to have the same DOF, and either lengthen the exposure time or increase the ISO to compensate. Larger formats will typically have less noise at a given ISO, but the difference can also come down to the technology used in the sensor and when it was developed.

Summarized: is 35mm flat-out better than a larger or smaller sensor? No, it's just different, and it has advantages and disadvantages depending upon how you will use it.

In your particular comparison, the 80D is newer and:

+ has a higher digital resolution output (24mp vs 20mp)

+ faster AF than the 6D using viewfinder and more AF points across the frame

+ much better AF in live view (when you use the lcd screen)

+ faster burst rate (7fps vs 4.5fps)

+ will give you more macro reach or "zoom" with the same lenses.

+ better video

+ articulating lcd screen is much handier for macro and landscape vs a fixed one

+ has access to more lenses because it can use both EF (35mm) and EF-S (aps-c) lenses.

+ slightly wider dynamic range

- smaller optical viewfinder

- worse noise performance at higher ISO

+/- is marginally smaller/lighter

These are the biggest factors I can think of, but I might have missed something. I would personally lean towards the 80D because of the many usability benefits it provides, but if you really need high ISO performance for low-light photography or really shallow DOF, the 6D could be better. Either way, try cameras out in a store and see what is more comfortable to use before buying.

Hopefully this helped a little and didn't just confuse you, haha
I didn't know. Sorry about that! Haha :D

My name is Dominik :)
No problem, you wouldn't be the first to make that assumption, lol

My name is Adam, nice to meet you :)
 
USM means Ultrasonic Motor, it's just a type of focusing motor in the lens. You will also see some Canon lenses labeled STM, meaning Stepper Motor. STM is typically quieter and transitions a little smoother, making it better for video. USM can sometimes be a hair faster, but it really depends upon what lens you are looking at. A lot of USM lenses can also use direct manual focus which is a little more responsive than focus by wire systems like STM. It's kind of a toss-up depending upon your application, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Here's an article describing a little more.
Thanks a lot for the explanation. I was looking to buy this lens for macro: Canon EF 100mm f/2,8L Macro IS USM. Do you think it is overkill? Or do you think I should get another macro lens which is cheaper? Personally, don't want to spend a lot of money for a macro lens but am looking for a quality lens which will have clarity and good quality.
You will notice that subjects extremely close or extremely far away will require higher shutter speeds to prevent motion blur from camera shake. Image stabilization is helpful in mitigating this, but won't totally prevent it if you get really close. It also only works for movement on your end, it won't stop motion blur from your subject moving. If you end up doing tracking shots of fast moving objects like birds or motorsports where you want the subject in focus but background to have motion blur, you would typically disable IS for that shot because it can misinterpret tracking motion.
Yes I know about this. :) I read upon it on articles that I came across Thanks for reminding me :)
Very true and that really just comes down to how skittish your subject is. Here are a couple samples from my EF-M 28mm macro. These are all from the last few days, so SOOC (straight out of camera) jpg, no adjustments or cropping.

Garden bees
Garden bees

Lorquin's Admiral with damaged wings
Lorquin's Admiral with damaged wings

I don't mess with hornets, kept my distance for this one
I don't mess with hornets, kept my distance for this one

Look closely; there's a spider hiding on this blackberry branch!
Look closely; there's a spider hiding on this blackberry branch!

I can't get quite as close to faster insects, but I can do very nice nice macros of flowers and also get views of the entire park or garden with the same compact lens. Everything in photography is a compromise of one sort or another.
Great shots! A Canon EOS M50 and a EF-M 28mm lens, interesting. I am in awe!

These are some macro shots I took with my little BC Master 15X Macro lens:

Grasshopper
Grasshopper

Ladybug
Ladybug

Don't know the name :P
Don't know the name :P

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Be careful that you don't start a flame war over this, lol. It is a contentious subject online.

Short answer:

1. Capturing light: rephrase input, unable to parse

If you are talking about exposure in the traditional sense, then no it does not capture light better. The same aperture, shutter, and ISO settings on two different systems will give you the same exposure and "brightness" to the image.

If you are talking about "total light" because it is a bigger surface area, I have never seen this concept satisfactorily explained or read any historical precedent for it. I tend to think that this is irrelevant and/or BS.

You may get less noise at higher ISO, but the overall brightness of the image, color reproduction, and tonality should be the same.

2. Detail:

No. Sensor size does not affect the detail captured, that is up to other factors like optical resolution, sensor resolution, field of view, aperture used, distance from subject, etc.

Long answer with explanations:

First of all, "full-frame" and "cropped sensor" are both kind of loaded terms given that 35mm itself is a "crop" of medium format and only "full-frame" in regards to 35mm film.

There are different photographic formats using different sized sensors and film, so if you hear the terms "equivalent" or "crop factor" these are just being used to compare different formats using 35mm film as a standard or common denominator. Most of the time, this is just so that you can get the same field of view with different formats.

As for the detail part, there is optical resolution and digital resolution, which are two different things. Optical resolution describes how much detail your lens can resolve, which is related to sharpness. Digital resolution is just a measurement of how many pixels are in the digital image. Oftentimes on the forums, you will see these referred to interchangeable, which just confuses the issue. If you have a crappy lens, but a really high digital resolution, you won't get more detail out of the image. On the flip side, if you have a really nice lens and a lower digital resolution, you can effectively cap or throttle the optical resolution of the final image with your sensor. The ideal situation is the latter where you aren't limited by your optical resolution.

There is a catch; If you use the same lens on a 35mm and aps-c body, it will project the same size image circle, but the aps-c sensor will capture a smaller section of this. In effect, this makes the image appear more "zoomed in" or "cropped" on the same lens. For example, if you have a 24mp aps-c sensor and 24mp 35mm sensor both using the same lens on the same subject at the same distance, the aps-c sensor will appear to display more detail simply because it has the advantage of cramming those same pixels into a smaller area. If you backed up with the aps-c setup or used a lens with an equivalent field of view, detail would appear the same in this scenario.

Larger sensors have the potential to capture a less noisy image at a given ISO, but this also depends upon the technology used in the sensor and it's age. Newer sensors will generally perform better than older sensors as technology advances. When comparing sensors of the same generation, higher resolution sensors will typically have worse noise performance, while lower resolution sensors will typically have better noise performance. This is a generalization, however, and really just depends upon the sensor in question. Between aps-c and 35mm sensors, you won't see much difference in noise until after at least 800 ISO.

The other big difference between photographic formats is that larger sensors will have a shallower depth of field (DOF) for a given aperture than smaller ones. DOF refers to the area in focus around the focal plane, which is an imaginary wall standing in front of your camera running perpendicular to your view. When you change your focus, you slide this wall either closer to you or further away from you. Large apertures (smaller numerical f-stops) will have less in focus on either side of this focus plane, while small apertures (large numerical f-stops) will have a lot more in focus on either side of this plane.

Going back to our discussion of formats, f/2.8 on a 35mm sensor will have a shallower DOF and a lot less in focus than f/2.8 on an aps-c sensor. In order to get the same focus effect, you would either need to stop down the lens on the 35mm setup, giving you a dimmer exposure unless you adjust the shutter speed or ISO, or you could open the aperture on the aps-c setup wider.

Macro and landscape photography are the two fields where it is the most important to understand how focus and DOF works. For example, if you want an entire landscape or macro object in focus, you have to manually pick a point somewhere in the middle and adjust your aperture to change your DOF until you have all subjects in satisfactory focus. If you just snap a macro or landscape shot in auto mode, the camera will pick a single point to focus on and most of the shot will not be in focus.

"If smaller apertures put more in focus, why not just stop down more?" you might ask. Well, you can, but at a certain point you run into a thing called diffraction. Diffraction describes how waves behave when encountering narrow apertures or slits. This can refer to sound, radio waves, microwaves, or any other frequency, but here we are applying it to visible light. Essentially, when light (which can be described both as a wave and a particle, don't worry about it here) passes through a small opening, it diffracts, scattering it across a wider area. In photography, this has the effect of softening your image and making it appear less sharp across the frame. On aps-c you run into this somewhere around f/8 to f/11, while on 35mm, you would encounter it somewhere around f/11 to f/16, depending upon lens. Stop down too much will make your image less sharp, but have more in focus, it all comes back to a compromise.

The upside of this is that smaller formats can use wider apertures for a brighter exposure, but still have a deeper DOF. Larger formats need to stop down the aperture more to have the same DOF, and either lengthen the exposure time or increase the ISO to compensate. Larger formats will typically have less noise at a given ISO, but the difference can also come down to the technology used in the sensor and when it was developed.

Summarized: is 35mm flat-out better than a larger or smaller sensor? No, it's just different, and it has advantages and disadvantages depending upon how you will use it.

In your particular comparison, the 80D is newer and:

+ has a higher digital resolution output (24mp vs 20mp)

+ faster AF than the 6D using viewfinder and more AF points across the frame

+ much better AF in live view (when you use the lcd screen)

+ faster burst rate (7fps vs 4.5fps)

+ will give you more macro reach or "zoom" with the same lenses.

+ better video

+ articulating lcd screen is much handier for macro and landscape vs a fixed one

+ has access to more lenses because it can use both EF (35mm) and EF-S (aps-c) lenses.

+ slightly wider dynamic range

- smaller optical viewfinder

- worse noise performance at higher ISO

+/- is marginally smaller/lighter

These are the biggest factors I can think of, but I might have missed something. I would personally lean towards the 80D because of the many usability benefits it provides, but if you really need high ISO performance for low-light photography or really shallow DOF, the 6D could be better. Either way, try cameras out in a store and see what is more comfortable to use before buying.

Hopefully this helped a little and didn't just confuse you, haha
Wow! Thanks for the lengthy yet very helpful explanation! Much appreciated! I know I have a lot to learn about DSLR photography and am a beginner but I usually catch on fast. I am the type of person that experiments and learns on the way. You wrote, "higher resolution sensors will typically have worse noise performance, while lower resolution sensors will typically have better noise performance." So the Canon EOS 70D will perform better with noise than the Canon EOS 80D? I heard that Canon's have a better noise reduction technology, is that true?
 

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