A6300 real battery life

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Hi, I found various and quite contradictory opinions about a6300 battery life and drain when off.

Some folks will mention 100-150 shots before the battery depletes other claim more lucky numbers (200/250/300..).

As I am torn between xt20 and an a6300, I would like to get your valuable experience about the real fgures the battery can hold. Off course, will purchase 2/3 spare ones but still....

Tks to all.
 
Pick the camera you want, you won't have any real issues with battery life, especially if you get a couple of spares.

That said, there are a number of settings that, if you're not careful, can drain battery life rapidly. For example (and this may not make a lot of sense until you get the camera and can actually see the settings), set Airplane Mode to On; this turns off the wifi. Set the power off to 10 seconds when you're walking around; longer when you're composing (and when you do, don't pass anything in front of the eyepiece until the screen goes blank - otherwise the sensor thinks you're putting your eye up to it, and won't let the camera enter sleep mode). Don't keep AF-C (continuous auto focus) on constantly, set the autofocus to something different (depending on how you want to shoot) and use it only when you need it - if it is always on, the camera will be constantly seeking something to focus on, draining power.

I always carry one spare battery and have never drained two fully charged batteries, even after a day of taking hundreds of shots. Luck doesn't enter the equation...
 
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Pick the camera you want, you won't have any real issues with battery life, especially if you get a couple of spares.

That said, there are a number of settings that, if you're not careful, can drain battery life rapidly. For example (and this may not make a lot of sense until you get the camera and can actually see the settings), set Airplane Mode to On; this turns off the wifi. Set the power off to 10 seconds when you're walking around; longer when you're composing (and when you do, don't pass anything in front of the eyepiece until the screen goes blank - otherwise the sensor thinks you're putting your eye up to it, and won't let the camera enter sleep mode). Don't keep AF-C (continuous auto focus) on constantly, set the autofocus to something different (depending on how you want to shoot) and use it only when you need it - if it is always on, the camera will be constantly seeking something to focus on, draining power.

I always carry one spare battery and have never drained two fully charged batteries, even after a day of taking hundreds of shots. Luck doesn't enter the equation...
I have yet to see anyone provide definitive proof (e.g. before/after current consumption data, or Wireshark traces that prove the device is communicating when you're not expecting it to) that Airplane Mode provides any noticeable power savings. Modern embedded wifi chipsets have negligible standby power drain, and Sony cameras only connect to wifi when you tell them to. Airplane Mode is primarily to make sure you don't accidentally do that.

I used to do a lot of mobile development. Lots of people would set up things to turn off wifi to save power - WHILE KEEPING THE CELL RADIO ON!!!! - it was pretty easy to prove that they were actually making power consumption worse because the cell radio is a FAR less efficient way to transfer background data than any WLAN chipset seen in a phone since a Galaxy S2. (Assuming no software bugs - Samsung did have a bug in some of their drivers that would cause severe battery drain on a "dirty" network with lots of multicast traffic. I don't know how many times I saw them make changes to the driver, even in that section of the code, without fixing a problem that was easy to fix if you just RTFMed.)

In general - battery life will be poor if you leave the camera ON with the LCD or EVF active all the time. If you turn off the camera when you're not using it, battery life will be great and hundreds of shots from a single battery will be easy. (Assuming no flash, flash changes the game.) It's not like the camera takes more than a second to become fully operational once you turn it to "on".
 
Hi, I found various and quite contradictory opinions about a6300 battery life and drain when off.
Unfortunately, battery life varies greatly depending on many different camera settings, as well as how the camera is being used. For stills life only, not video, it depends on if someone is walking around with the camera on, taking a shot every 5-10 minutes or so - or walking around shooting sports or action subjects at 8 frames-per-second in burst mode. That alone could spell the difference between 150 shots on one battery, versus 1,500 shots on one battery. Whether pre-AF is turned off, setting a short sleep mode of 1 minute or less, how much EVF or LCD is being used, if stabilization is always on versus only on when half-pressed, whether any wifi functions are being used or engaged, and so on - all have influence on battery life.

As for drain when off - the answer should be almost 0. There should be no reason to have the battery drain when the camera is turned off - no more than 1%-3% per week. If a camera is draining batteries when off, then there's either something in the camera or software accessing the battery such as a faulty wifi or app, or the camera is defective.

I rotate 4 batteries in my overall use, and I lose 1% or less with my camera turned off an the battery sitting inside for 1 full week...the same as the batteries stored with a full charge outside the camera.
My average walk-around, vacation travel, general shooting, single frame type stills shooting will typically net me around 300-350 shots per battery - that includes a lot of image playback, and some long exposures, HDR multi-frames, and MFNR multiframes (which I'm counting as 1 shot, but involve the camera taking multiple frames and merging them in camera).

My average wildlife and birding shooting, where my camera is almost constantly on, and I am usually set to either 3fps or 8fps burst modes, will net me from 900 to 1,400 shots per battery, over roughly 3-4 hours of shooting time.
 
As I am torn between xt20 and an a6300, I would like to get your valuable experience about the real fgures the battery can hold. Off course, will purchase 2/3 spare ones but still....
I wouldn't let that enter in to your camera decision...unless it's absolutely the only difference you can come up with. At the very most, the difference will still be less than one spare battery for a full day outing.

I recently posted about poor battery life on some three-year-old knockoff batteries. Even with those batteries, on my last trip, I never needed more than one spare on my daily outings (shooting up to 600 shots/day).
 
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Hi, I found various and quite contradictory opinions about a6300 battery life and drain when off.
As for drain when off - the answer should be almost 0. There should be no reason to have the battery drain when the camera is turned off - no more than 1%-3% per week. If a camera is draining batteries when off, then there's either something in the camera or software accessing the battery such as a faulty wifi or app, or the camera is defective.
There, unfortunately, seem to be some serious power management bugs in this regard - ESPECIALLY with third-party lenses and adapters (notorious problem with the Techart Pro for example IIRC).

E-mount keeps the lens logic powered for at least some period of time after the camera is turned off so that it can initialize more quickly on resume. (An uninitialized lens requires a handshake including exchanging all lens characteristic data, and a interface speed negotiation. An initialized lens will immediately come up at the previously negotiated interface speed).

My assumption is that PROPER lenses are supposed to go into a "deep sleep" memory holdup mode when the camera tells them to - but it seems like a lot of lenses don't reliably do so.

I have yet to see someone who complained of phantom drain say that the issue continued for them if they quickly detached/reattached the lens when they finished their day. This is guaranteed to depower the lens until the camera's switch is turned back to ON.
 
I have yet to see anyone provide definitive proof (e.g. before/after current consumption data, or Wireshark traces that prove the device is communicating when you're not expecting it to) that Airplane Mode provides any noticeable power savings.
Sounds like you're well qualified to do this test - please share the results when you do.
 
I have yet to see anyone provide definitive proof (e.g. before/after current consumption data, or Wireshark traces that prove the device is communicating when you're not expecting it to) that Airplane Mode provides any noticeable power savings.
Sounds like you're well qualified to do this test - please share the results when you do.
I'll try... Best I can do is fire up the Shark and say "hey look, here's network activity when on" followed by "hey look, here's activity for that MAC address when off".

For privacy reasons, I hope you can understand why anything other than the camera's MAC is going to get filtered. Which, ideally, results in either:

1) An empty file

2) A file that shows the AP attempting to send packets to the camera with no response
 
As I am torn between xt20 and an a6300, I would like to get your valuable experience about the real fgures the battery can hold. Off course, will purchase 2/3 spare ones but still....
I wouldn't let that enter in to your camera decision...unless it's absolutely the only difference you can come up with. At the very most, the difference will still be less than one spare battery for a full day outing.

I recently posted about poor battery life on some three-year-old knockoff batteries. Even with those batteries, on my last trip, I never needed more than one spare on my daily outings (shooting up to 600 shots/day).
Agreed. I have three spare batteries but only once I have needed more than one - a full day at an amusement park with my kid, 750 mostly single shot photos w/OSS and camera powered on a lot when walking. Carrying two extra batteries did not affect my day. :-)

Of course you can drain battery faster, by viewing pictures a lot, long sleep time for display, power zoom lens etc, but that would also apply to any other camera.
 
Since the A6000 camera was available in early 2014, there has been endless web forum discussions on battery issues with little dependable inputs. Now 4 plus years later, I'm surprised no one with electronic technical skills has bothered to perform actual battery tests. Sony has an AC battery adapter AC-PW20 that allows powering these alpha cameras with an AC power cord via that adapter that uses a dummy battery plug. It converts the ac to a nominal 7.4 volts dc connecting that to the dummy battery plug end that fits into a camera. Someone opened up the dummy battery end and also found a current shunt measuring circuit so it is not quite a straight through connection.

I worked as an electronic tech 4+ decades and could easily straighten out how much current is drawn at specific voltages in specific camera modes performing various operations. All I would need is the power adapter with which I would remove the shunt and insert a DMM meter in current mode while also monitoring the dc voltage at the same point. Those performing the camera engineering power design certainly know those values however no camera manufacturers ever tell the public any of that information. Although I could do such, I have had little incentive to bother much less buy the adapter however am making this input expecting someone else out there will do so haha just to stop the endless BS. Note this is a rather trivial electronic task.

What has been more of interest is how long specific batteries last. I bought 19 of the NP-FW50 batteries of 4 different types and am close to completing a battery test on all my batteries with 20 ohm resistive loads that is going to surprise numbers of those spouting BS. Of my batteries, only one has gone bad and the rest are probably as near as good as when they were new. An Excel sheet with details later.

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Since the A6000 camera was available in early 2014, there has been endless web forum discussions on battery issues with little dependable inputs. Now 4 plus years later, I'm surprised no one with electronic technical skills has bothered to perform actual battery tests. Sony has an AC battery adapter AC-PW20 that allows powering these alpha cameras with an AC power cord via that adapter that uses a dummy battery plug. It converts the ac to a nominal 7.4 volts dc connecting that to the dummy battery plug end that fits into a camera. Someone opened up the dummy battery end and also found a current shunt measuring circuit so it is not quite a straight through connection.
Jim Kasson has run exactly such tests, however only on FF bodies. I remember someone running a few standby power tests and finding intermittent cases where drain was unusually high. I think it was someone other than Jim, I'm not sure.
I worked as an electronic tech 4+ decades and could easily straighten out how much current is drawn at specific voltages in specific camera modes performing various operations. All I would need is the power adapter with which I would remove the shunt and insert a DMM meter in current mode while also monitoring the dc voltage at the same point. Those performing the camera engineering power design certainly know those values however no camera manufacturers ever tell the public any of that information. Although I could do such, I have had little incentive to bother much less buy the adapter however am making this input expecting someone else out there will do so haha just to stop the endless BS. Note this is a rather trivial electronic task.
The issue is that some of these problems are intermittent. I can tell you, without a doubt (using a logic analyzer):

Logic power is NOT removed from the lens when the camera is turned to "off". This is done to facilitate quickly resuming operation when the switch is turned "on". If a lens is not removed, instead of going through a full initialization sequence, the camera goes through a quick resume sequence.

Breaking the connection of LENS_XDETECT will forcefully depower the lens. Service manuals for older NEX bodies can be found, they all have hardware interlocks that prevent lens power from being applied unless that pin is grounded by the lens.

Reconnecting the lens will not cause power to be reapplied until the camera switch is flipped to ON.

There are well documented issues with some cheaper adapters that don't properly implement whatever suspend sequence Sony uses to put a lens to "sleep". These adapters are known to cause severe standby drain. The Techart Pro is one such unit. TAP's advice is to pull the battery, quickly disengaging/reengaging the lens is much easier.

I suspect even some "full native" lenses might occasionally fail to suspend properly. I don't recall ever seeing someone state that they continued to see phantom drain if they disengaged/reengaged their lens prior to storage.
What has been more of interest is how long specific batteries last. I bought 19 of the NP-FW50 batteries of 4 different types and am close to completing a battery test on all my batteries with 20 ohm resistive loads that is going to surprise numbers of those spouting BS. Of my batteries, only one has gone bad and the rest are probably as near as good as when they were new. An Excel sheet with details later.

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David
I would not be surprised if the battery that performs the best is actually the one most frequently used. Storing Li-Ion batteries at 100% SoC is bad for the battery and I'm guessing that a lot of people get the third-party batteries as "backups" and don't discharge them for storage. Hell - I don't even do this, and because of this, I'll accept that some of my "less used" batteries may be mostly shot, regardless of whether they're official Sony or third-party. (My guess is, most people "use" their branded battery the most, and the third-parties are backups.)

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I would not be surprised if the battery that performs the best is actually the one most frequently used. Storing Li-Ion batteries at 100% SoC is bad for the battery and I'm guessing that a lot of people get the third-party batteries as "backups" and don't discharge them for storage. Hell - I don't even do this, and because of this, I'll accept that some of my "less used" batteries may be mostly shot, regardless of whether they're official Sony or third-party. (My guess is, most people "use" their branded battery the most, and the third-parties are backups.)
I just rotate my batteries - whenever I remove to recharge, I replace it with a fully charged one (which are lined up - I always take from the left, keeps it simple for me) and then once the discharged battery is fully recharged, it goes to the end of the line...
 
I would not be surprised if the battery that performs the best is actually the one most frequently used. Storing Li-Ion batteries at 100% SoC is bad for the battery and I'm guessing that a lot of people get the third-party batteries as "backups" and don't discharge them for storage. Hell - I don't even do this, and because of this, I'll accept that some of my "less used" batteries may be mostly shot, regardless of whether they're official Sony or third-party. (My guess is, most people "use" their branded battery the most, and the third-parties are backups.)
I just rotate my batteries - whenever I remove to recharge, I replace it with a fully charged one (which are lined up - I always take from the left, keeps it simple for me) and then once the discharged battery is fully recharged, it goes to the end of the line...
I usually wind up just charging in camera, so my extras often wind up remaining fully charged.

I should rig up a storage discharge circuit that at least takes them down a few tenths of a volt.

I wish more devices than Lenovo Thinkpads and Teslas had options to only charge the battery to 80% SoC.
 

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