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Putting aside all other issues, which camera has better image quality? Looked at all the typical reference material on sensor performance, and there seem to be some pros in both directions.

From those that have shot raw images in both - if the body, features, etc. were identical, which sensor would you choose?

thanks!
 
D7500 of course because i own a d7500.

seriously this has been beaten to death.

there is a neglible difference in resolution and performance is quite similar with slightly better performance for the d7500 at high iso
 
Well thers a difference of

4million pixels so I no what I would chose
 
tom1234567 said:
Well thers a difference of

4million pixels so I no what I would chose
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Actually the difference between the actual difference in pixel counts and your claim for the difference in pixel counts is much larger than the difference in linear resolution.

The D7200 has 6000 x 4000 pixels = 24.0MP

The D7500 has 5568 x 3712 pixels = 20.7MP

So the difference in pixels is 3.3MP

You said the difference is 4MP, so your claim is about 21% higher than reality. 3MP would have been closer to the truth.

The linear resolution advantage of the D7200 over the D7500 is 6000/5568 or a bit less than 8%.

According to Thom Hogan, tests show it takes a linear resolution advantage of about twice that for people to begin reliably to notice a difference.
 
rbmphoto said:
Putting aside all other issues, which camera has better image quality? Looked at all the typical reference material on sensor performance, and there seem to be some pros in both directions.
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There are, which is why it is not possible to give a meaningful declaration in favour of one over the other when it comes to sensor IQ.
rbmphoto said:
From those that have shot raw images in both - if the body, features, etc. were identical, which sensor would you choose?

thanks!
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The differences in sensor IQ are generally too small to notice. The D7200 has a slight advantage for base ISO landscapes, and the D7500 has a slight advantage for sports and BIF.

The main differences between the two cameras are not in the sensors. The D7500 is clearly the better camera except for the few people to whom the few feature reductions matter a lot and the many feature improvements do not.
 
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FingerPainter said:
tom1234567 said:
Well thers a difference of

4million pixels so I no what I would chose
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Actually the difference between the actual difference in pixel counts and your claim for the difference in pixel counts is much larger than the difference in linear resolution.

The D7200 has 6000 x 4000 pixels = 24.0MP

The D7500 has 5568 x 3712 pixels = 20.7MP

So the difference in pixels is 3.3MP

You said the difference is 4MP, so your claim is about 21% higher than reality. 3MP would have been closer to the truth.

The linear resolution advantage of the D7200 over the D7500 is 6000/5568 or a bit less than 8%.

According to Thom Hogan, tests show it takes a linear resolution advantage of about twice that for people to begin reliably to notice a difference.
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Sorry I was wrong

BUT I would still have the 3.3million pixels

So I no what I would buy
 
The reports tend to focus on the numeric differences in the sensor, or differences in the body - neither of which really is the question I’m interested in. I can read the specifications, and understand their significance, or lack thereof. And while most of the reporting on the newer body deals with physical improvements or missing features, that too is well documented and not my interest here.

What I’m interested in, from those who have actually processed raw 7200 images and 7500 raw images, if there is a qualitative difference between the two - subtle perhaps - but a difference nonetheless. As there is between the d3 and d3s, or between a d4 and d4s - subtle, but visible if you know what you are looking for. Perhaps not as dramatic as aa filter vs. no aa filter, or the difference visibly berween the 810 and 850 images.

The differences would be distiguishable to users of the two body’s sensors, not readers about the two sensors - a different character. The question is not about ‘which would you get’, it is more ‘what did you see’.

again, thanks all
 
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FingerPainter said:
tom1234567 said:
Well thers a difference of

4million pixels so I no what I would chose
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Actually the difference between the actual difference in pixel counts and your claim for the difference in pixel counts is much larger than the difference in linear resolution.

The D7200 has 6000 x 4000 pixels = 24.0MP

The D7500 has 5568 x 3712 pixels = 20.7MP

So the difference in pixels is 3.3MP

You said the difference is 4MP, so your claim is about 21% higher than reality. 3MP would have been closer to the truth.

The linear resolution advantage of the D7200 over the D7500 is 6000/5568 or a bit less than 8%.

According to Thom Hogan, tests show it takes a linear resolution advantage of about twice that for people to begin reliably to notice a difference.
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...except for cropping. For those of us who shoot small distant objects (birds) or who just like to re-frame their pictures, any gain in resolution means more latitude for cropping without losing sharpness.
 
rbmphoto said:
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What I’m interested in, from those who have actually processed raw 7200 images and 7500 raw images, if there is a qualitative difference between the two - subtle perhaps - but a difference nonetheless. ...
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Sensor measurements (from processed NEF files) show a slight difference :

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Below ISO 400 the D7200 is slightly better whereas at ISO 400 and up it's the D7500.

As others have said, you unlikely to actually see a difference.

Fixed Pattern Noise (FPN) is also well controlled for both models :

Best viewed at Original Size. The colors don't matter they are to help see patterns, if any.
Best viewed at Original Size. The colors don't matter they are to help see patterns, if any.

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Bill ( Your trusted source for independent sensor data at PhotonsToPhotos )
 
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Needless to say, I’d reviewed your site on the issue before starting the thread. I’ll also add that your efforts are invaluable. As I hope I’ve been clear on, the numbers are not always the full story, which is why I am hoping to get those who have actually processed both sets of the images for actual use.

Small differences are sometimes visible, if not practical. Heck, I could repicate differences in early run and late run D3’s with identical processing. Significant, no, but differences nonetheless.

As I believe I’ve seen you attest to through he years, different sensors seem to impart a different character to images, that’s the info I’m curiuos about for these two. Of course, many can be processed away in post.

What I’m finding in general are many voices that are long on opinions, but short on hands on experience. Not you Bill of course!
 
My decision was made simple by owing a few AF-P VR lenses which I used with my old D3300 so I went for D7500 when it was offered in Amazon at great price, for not much above D7200 price.

If you don't own any AF-P lenses and not planning to get one then D7200 should do for you.

However, I found D7500 sensor to be great especially in low light, no fading/shifting of colour at very high ISO, unlike the old D3300 I had.
 
My goal is to drive some older lens that were stellar with film such as the 180/2.8. They were also spectacular through my D2x/D200 Nikon period, were pretty darn good through the D3, but started showing their age with the 800e and now the 810.

Although I’ve traveled for years with smaller dx bodies, currently the 5500, am considering getting a 72/7500 to play with some older glass that the 5500 won’t drive and are sadly long in the tooth compared to modern lens formulas on the 810.

If I still took 8-10 thousand images a month, and couldn’t afford a 500 or ‘D’ body, the 7500 would be a useful choice - none of that is relevant at this stage, body differences for my purposes are insignificant.

Instead of buying yet an additional body, the smart play should be just to part with the older glass, as it pains me to see it sit there unused...

thanks!
 
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I remember when the D500 came out there were comparison tests between it and the D7200. In enlarged imaged I could not tell a difference although the authors generally thought the D500 had better IQ. I think it is very close, pretty much equal, and even though I have a hard time getting past the difference in numbers myself I have to keep telling myself that they are essentially equal.

Also from what I've read there is an advantage to the D7500 in high ISO noise performance, at least 2/3 stop.
 
To directly respond, I upgraded from D7200 to D7500. I am not a pro, I do process raws. I did not notice any big differences.

Now the color rendition from the jpegs is a bit different i think. The D7500 seems a bit more punchy - wont say if good or bad, just different. The jpgs at high ISO are better - I was impressed especially in near dark circumstances with a slow lens. This is where the D7500 will shine above the D7200 - better photos and *nothing* to do with which sensor is better - just precise focus and exposure in challenging conditions with better noise processing

I will say this, if I were choosing between the two cameras now, the image quality would not be a deciding factor.
 
rbmphoto said:
What I’m interested in, from those who have actually processed raw 7200 images and 7500 raw images, if there is a qualitative difference between the two - subtle perhaps - but a difference nonetheless....The question is not about ‘which would you get’, it is more ‘what did you see’.
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This may not help you much, so take it with a grain of salt. When I recently crashed the D7200 that I owned for a few years, I got a D7500. I've only had it for a couple of days and have only processed a few raw files. I haven't gone out on a shoot yet, just test shots around the house. With this limited comparison, I haven't noticed any qualitative difference. Since my D7200 is fubar I can't do a direct comparison but I would be surprised to see any differences based on what I have seen so far. If there are any, they are probably too subtle to matter to me. However, I definitely can say that I really like the handling and features of the D7500 and am glad I got it instead of another D7200.

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Hi,

Just a side note:

According to Dxomark.com the combination of an Apc - camera with a kit lense achieves an effectiv resolution of roughly 6 - 9 MP, a noteable difference could be reached by using a better lense with enables a resolution of around 15MP.

Only by use of the lenses of highest level , the full resolution of the cameras sensor could be used to full extend .

Therefore I suggest also to consider what are you going to use and how you will look at this.
 
rbmphoto said:
The reports tend to focus on the numeric differences in the sensor, or differences in the body - neither of which really is the question I’m interested in. I can read the specifications, and understand their significance, or lack thereof. And while most of the reporting on the newer body deals with physical improvements or missing features, that too is well documented and not my interest here.
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Yeah, all you're gonna get here is the usual feature comparisons and apparently some one-sided, pedantic bickering about "exact pixel count".

Go to paces like DXO Mark where they actually compare sensors. Not here.

Truth is that despite the D7200 scoring higher, there really is no noticeable difference.

You're actually just comparing two cameras where the only tangible difference is features. And it's not that the newer camera necessarily has the better ones.

And I see you want to use older lenses. There's a pro for the D7200.
 
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I have used both the D7200 and D7500.

At base ISO, I don't really notice a difference.

At higher ISO, while some feel that the difference between D7200 and D7500 is negligible, there is a significant difference in the noise characteristics when shadows are pushed.

The D7200 tends to adopt a reddish hue when shadows are pushed. I also notice some sensor banding despite claims that D7200 fixed the banding issue in D7100 (perhaps it is far less obvious, but still present nonetheless). The D7500 behaves more like the Sony sensor in the D5500 in this respect--the noise pattern feels more pleasant and when pushing shadows, it tends towards a slightly green hue.
 
Having use a D500 for a while (same sensor as D7500), and just going back to a D7200, the IQ is very similar. Personally, I think I like the look of the D7200's output better. Maybe the camera profile is just better in LR. I don't know, just preference, I guess. I am focal-length challenged a lot of the time, so I'll take the higher resolution D7200 over the 21 MP D7500. When cropping a lot, 3 extra MP is 3 extra MP, and I'll take all that I can get.

I might've paid a bit more and bought the D7500 instead, but aside from the lower res, I just don't like the placement of the strap mounts. IMO, they stick out too far, are ugly and also can dig into my shooting hand.
 
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