Fujifilm: Future of GFX / Medium Format

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

One of the attractions of the GFX are the lenses, they are said to be spectaculary good.

Keeping the Canon lenses will not give you the sharpness you would get with the Fuji lenses.

If you consider keeping the Canon lenses, you may need to consider why you are not happy with the Canon. Lack of DR can be fixed by using an Sony A7rIII with an adapter. The 5DsR will give the same resolution as the GFX.

Best regards

Erik

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Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to convince myself that I could manage without buying all the expensive Fuji-lenses for the GFX.

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You can manage. Eric is right, Fuji's main attraction are the lenses. They are very good, but they're slow. If corner to corner sharpness is of utmost importance, get the GFX and don't think twice about it. However, if other factors are more important such, as speed, flexibility and cost, then stick to what you have.

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henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

One of the attractions of the GFX are the lenses, they are said to be spectaculary good.

Keeping the Canon lenses will not give you the sharpness you would get with the Fuji lenses.

If you consider keeping the Canon lenses, you may need to consider why you are not happy with the Canon. Lack of DR can be fixed by using an Sony A7rIII with an adapter. The 5DsR will give the same resolution as the GFX.

Best regards

Erik

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Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to convince myself that I could manage without buying all the expensive Fuji-lenses for the GFX.

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You can manage. Eric is right, Fuji's main attraction are the lenses. They are very good, but they're slow. If corner to corner sharpness is of utmost importance, get the GFX and don't think twice about it. However, if other factors are more important such, as speed, flexibility and cost, then stick to what you have.

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I don't need speed since most of my work is portrait-stuff, studio, lifestyle and occasional weddings. My main concern is probably cost and the fact that maintaining the GFX with a solid line-up of lenses would be ca-ca-ca-ching expensive for me right now. I could afford the GFX with one lens (63mm) if I trade in my bread and butter setup with 2 FF bodies and two 2.8 zoom lenses covering everything betwen 24-200mm. That is my concern.

I am hooked on the files from the GFX. Absolutely stunning colors and dynamic in them. And this comes from a 5Ds user...

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Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

One of the attractions of the GFX are the lenses, they are said to be spectaculary good.

Keeping the Canon lenses will not give you the sharpness you would get with the Fuji lenses.

If you consider keeping the Canon lenses, you may need to consider why you are not happy with the Canon. Lack of DR can be fixed by using an Sony A7rIII with an adapter. The 5DsR will give the same resolution as the GFX.

Best regards

Erik

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Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to convince myself that I could manage without buying all the expensive Fuji-lenses for the GFX.

Click to expand...

You can manage. Eric is right, Fuji's main attraction are the lenses. They are very good, but they're slow. If corner to corner sharpness is of utmost importance, get the GFX and don't think twice about it. However, if other factors are more important such, as speed, flexibility and cost, then stick to what you have.

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I don't need speed since most of my work is portrait-stuff, studio, lifestyle and occasional weddings. My main concern is probably cost and the fact that maintaining the GFX with a solid line-up of lenses would be ca-ca-ca-ching expensive for me right now. I could afford the GFX with one lens (63mm) if I trade in my bread and butter setup with 2 FF bodies and two 2.8 zoom lenses covering everything betwen 24-200mm. That is my concern.

I am hooked on the files from the GFX. Absolutely stunning colors and dynamic in them. And this comes from a 5Ds user...

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You are making a living, at least earning money with your camera, so the question is: are you cients complaining? Are you not competitive?

In order for you to change systems, you need a complete tool kit, which means more lenses and at least another body for backup. If you can hardly afford a single body and a lens, it's not the time to make a change.

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henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

One of the attractions of the GFX are the lenses, they are said to be spectaculary good.

Keeping the Canon lenses will not give you the sharpness you would get with the Fuji lenses.

If you consider keeping the Canon lenses, you may need to consider why you are not happy with the Canon. Lack of DR can be fixed by using an Sony A7rIII with an adapter. The 5DsR will give the same resolution as the GFX.

Best regards

Erik

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Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to convince myself that I could manage without buying all the expensive Fuji-lenses for the GFX.

Click to expand...

You can manage. Eric is right, Fuji's main attraction are the lenses. They are very good, but they're slow. If corner to corner sharpness is of utmost importance, get the GFX and don't think twice about it. However, if other factors are more important such, as speed, flexibility and cost, then stick to what you have.

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I don't need speed since most of my work is portrait-stuff, studio, lifestyle and occasional weddings. My main concern is probably cost and the fact that maintaining the GFX with a solid line-up of lenses would be ca-ca-ca-ching expensive for me right now. I could afford the GFX with one lens (63mm) if I trade in my bread and butter setup with 2 FF bodies and two 2.8 zoom lenses covering everything betwen 24-200mm. That is my concern.

I am hooked on the files from the GFX. Absolutely stunning colors and dynamic in them. And this comes from a 5Ds user...

Click to expand...

You are making a living, at least earning money with your camera, so the question is: are you cients complaining? Are you not competitive?

In order for you to change systems, you need a complete tool kit, which means more lenses and at least another body for backup. If you can hardly afford a single body and a lens, it's not the time to make a change.

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Good point and the reason I am hesitating.

i would still have some additional Canon APS-C bodies though and some 1.8 primes like the 85/1.8 and 50. And also a macro lens and three speedlights. But nothing professional like FF and L-series that I shoot with now

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Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

One of the attractions of the GFX are the lenses, they are said to be spectaculary good.

Keeping the Canon lenses will not give you the sharpness you would get with the Fuji lenses.

If you consider keeping the Canon lenses, you may need to consider why you are not happy with the Canon. Lack of DR can be fixed by using an Sony A7rIII with an adapter. The 5DsR will give the same resolution as the GFX.

Best regards

Erik

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Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to convince myself that I could manage without buying all the expensive Fuji-lenses for the GFX.

Click to expand...

You can manage. Eric is right, Fuji's main attraction are the lenses. They are very good, but they're slow. If corner to corner sharpness is of utmost importance, get the GFX and don't think twice about it. However, if other factors are more important such, as speed, flexibility and cost, then stick to what you have.

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I don't need speed since most of my work is portrait-stuff, studio, lifestyle and occasional weddings. My main concern is probably cost and the fact that maintaining the GFX with a solid line-up of lenses would be ca-ca-ca-ching expensive for me right now. I could afford the GFX with one lens (63mm) if I trade in my bread and butter setup with 2 FF bodies and two 2.8 zoom lenses covering everything betwen 24-200mm. That is my concern.

I am hooked on the files from the GFX. Absolutely stunning colors and dynamic in them. And this comes from a 5Ds user...

Click to expand...

You are making a living, at least earning money with your camera, so the question is: are you cients complaining? Are you not competitive?

In order for you to change systems, you need a complete tool kit, which means more lenses and at least another body for backup. If you can hardly afford a single body and a lens, it's not the time to make a change.

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Good point and the reason I am hesitating.

i would still have some additional Canon APS-C bodies though and some 1.8 primes like the 85/1.8 and 50. And also a macro lens and three speedlights. But nothing professional like FF and L-series that I shoot with now

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It doesn't sound to me like your situation is the right one to make a jump. I would use what I had until the financial situation was right where I would be comfortable enough to plop down 20 - 25k on a complete Fuji kit including a few lenses, two bodies dedicated flashes, etc. Besides, there's nothing wrong with your kit. It does the job. There's no reason to handicap yourself.

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henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Macro guy said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

One of the attractions of the GFX are the lenses, they are said to be spectaculary good.

Keeping the Canon lenses will not give you the sharpness you would get with the Fuji lenses.

If you consider keeping the Canon lenses, you may need to consider why you are not happy with the Canon. Lack of DR can be fixed by using an Sony A7rIII with an adapter. The 5DsR will give the same resolution as the GFX.

Best regards

Erik

Click to expand...

Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to convince myself that I could manage without buying all the expensive Fuji-lenses for the GFX.

Click to expand...

You can manage. Eric is right, Fuji's main attraction are the lenses. They are very good, but they're slow. If corner to corner sharpness is of utmost importance, get the GFX and don't think twice about it. However, if other factors are more important such, as speed, flexibility and cost, then stick to what you have.

Click to expand...

I don't need speed since most of my work is portrait-stuff, studio, lifestyle and occasional weddings. My main concern is probably cost and the fact that maintaining the GFX with a solid line-up of lenses would be ca-ca-ca-ching expensive for me right now. I could afford the GFX with one lens (63mm) if I trade in my bread and butter setup with 2 FF bodies and two 2.8 zoom lenses covering everything betwen 24-200mm. That is my concern.

I am hooked on the files from the GFX. Absolutely stunning colors and dynamic in them. And this comes from a 5Ds user...

Click to expand...

You are making a living, at least earning money with your camera, so the question is: are you cients complaining? Are you not competitive?

In order for you to change systems, you need a complete tool kit, which means more lenses and at least another body for backup. If you can hardly afford a single body and a lens, it's not the time to make a change.

Click to expand...

Good point and the reason I am hesitating.

i would still have some additional Canon APS-C bodies though and some 1.8 primes like the 85/1.8 and 50. And also a macro lens and three speedlights. But nothing professional like FF and L-series that I shoot with now

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It doesn't sound to me like your situation is the right one to make a jump. I would use what I had until the financial situation was right where I would be comfortable enough to plop down 20 - 25k on a complete Fuji kit including a few lenses, two bodies dedicated flashes, etc. Besides, there's nothing wrong with your kit. It does the job. There's no reason to handicap yourself.

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I know you are right. Damn it... :-(

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Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

Regarding DR, it is quite possible to take say three exposures, 2-3 EV apart and merge them to HDR in Lightroom. In many cases, that works really well.

Bad DR at base ISO has long tradition at Canon. But the latest Canon sensors use more Sony like technology. So, Canon will catch up.

Regarding color, it may be worth getting a good DCP profile for your cameras.

I don't know what raw converter you use. With Lightroom or ACR in Photoshop you have a lot of options. If you use Capture One, it will not support Fuji GFX.

You can buy some excellent prime lenses for the Canon.

If you print large like 30"x40", the advantage of the Fuji will be pretty clear, but it depends mostly on Fuji having great lenses.

Just to say, Fuji lenses are reasonably priced, but you need a lot of them to replace two zooms.

Best regards

Erik

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henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

Regarding DR, it is quite possible to take say three exposures, 2-3 EV apart and merge them to HDR in Lightroom. In many cases, that works really well.

Bad DR at base ISO has long tradition at Canon. But the latest Canon sensors use more Sony like technology. So, Canon will catch up.

Regarding color, it may be worth getting a good DCP profile for your cameras.

I don't know what raw converter you use. With Lightroom or ACR in Photoshop you have a lot of options. If you use Capture One, it will not support Fuji GFX.

You can buy some excellent prime lenses for the Canon.

If you print large like 30"x40", the advantage of the Fuji will be pretty clear, but it depends mostly on Fuji having great lenses.

Just to say, Fuji lenses are reasonably priced, but you need a lot of them to replace two zooms.

Best regards

Erik

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Erik Kaffehr said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Erik Kaffehr said:

Hi,

Regarding DR, it is quite possible to take say three exposures, 2-3 EV apart and merge them to HDR in Lightroom. In many cases, that works really well.

Bad DR at base ISO has long tradition at Canon. But the latest Canon sensors use more Sony like technology. So, Canon will catch up.

Regarding color, it may be worth getting a good DCP profile for your cameras.

I don't know what raw converter you use. With Lightroom or ACR in Photoshop you have a lot of options. If you use Capture One, it will not support Fuji GFX.

You can buy some excellent prime lenses for the Canon.

If you print large like 30"x40", the advantage of the Fuji will be pretty clear, but it depends mostly on Fuji having great lenses.

Just to say, Fuji lenses are reasonably priced, but you need a lot of them to replace two zooms.

Best regards

Erik

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Website: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net
Magic uses to disappear in controlled experiments…
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I use Lightroom.

The 70-200 is actually not being used that often. Mostly on events (which I don't shoot often - maybe one per month - if that) and on some weddings during dinner when I can't move around much due to the position of the tables. But in those situations, it can't be replaced so I would need something to cover that.

Speaking of color and profiles. If I told you the number of hours I've spent trying to make my full frame canons render like Fuji, you would call me insane. I probably am a little bit insane . Or at least obsessed with the Fuji-tones. When I think of it, if I use my hour-rating for the time spent, it would have been cheaper to just buy the frikkin GFX from the very beginning. But let's pretend that isn't true!

Having all this said, I am fully aware of how capable my current gear is and Canon has way more to offer than I could possibly ever need. It's just that I am really personal about certain things and color-hues-tones is one of the most important factors I consider when I buy new cameras. In a digital world, that might not make any sense at all, but to be honest...if so many people praise Fujicolors to high heaven - why aren't there any spot-on Fuji-profiles out there for sale for other cameras? And why can't other camera-brands compete with the same color-science out of cam? Many people just say "it's digital, you can get any color you want". But when you ask questions like..."how?" it gets quiet. And I am not talking about profiling a camera with a passport or something. It's about tuning it to a certain look and feel provided by Fuji.

But again - this is for my own personal satisfaction. I would be surprised if the average client would spot any remarkable difference in color alone between my 5Ds and a GFX.

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Hi,

One reason that Fuji may have great color is that Fuji has been in the film processing industry for very long. So, they know what colors folks like.

It is quite possible that Canon cameras inherently produce different color. As they tend to have more overlap between red and green channel than many other systems. That may do that they work well under a wide variety of conditions.

As it is today, color profiles are not really intended to yield accurate colors but to also have a certain look.

Questions:

• Have you seen the same kind of colors in Fuji's APS-C cameras?
• Which processing are you using?

Thanks for explaining your needs. It could be feasible to use you Canon lenses on the GFX. That would give you the benefits of Fuji color and also DR.

I wouldn't bet on AF and the lenses are not intended to fill the 33x44 mm image circle, but they may work anyway.

Best regards

Erik

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henrikbengtsson said:

So I went to my local dealer today to get my gear checked and this is the deal for a new GFX:

Me:
5Ds (7000 clicks) - excellent condition
6D2 (14 000 clicks) - good condition - a few minor scratches
70-200/2.8 IS MK2 - good condition
24-70/2.8 MK2 - very good condition

+ additional 1800 dollars

Them:
GFX 50S + 63/2.8

What do you think?

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Rick Knepper said:

henrikbengtsson said:

So I went to my local dealer today to get my gear checked and this is the deal for a new GFX:

Me:
5Ds (7000 clicks) - excellent condition
6D2 (14 000 clicks) - good condition - a few minor scratches
70-200/2.8 IS MK2 - good condition
24-70/2.8 MK2 - very good condition

+ additional 1800 dollars

Them:
GFX 50S + 63/2.8

What do you think?

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Are the 70-200 & 24-70 Mark IIs?

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henrikbengtsson said:

Rick Knepper said:

henrikbengtsson said:

So I went to my local dealer today to get my gear checked and this is the deal for a new GFX:

Me:
5Ds (7000 clicks) - excellent condition
6D2 (14 000 clicks) - good condition - a few minor scratches
70-200/2.8 IS MK2 - good condition
24-70/2.8 MK2 - very good condition

+ additional 1800 dollars

Them:
GFX 50S + 63/2.8

What do you think?

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Are the 70-200 & 24-70 Mark IIs?

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Rick Knepper said:

henrikbengtsson said:

Rick Knepper said:

henrikbengtsson said:

So I went to my local dealer today to get my gear checked and this is the deal for a new GFX:

Me:
5Ds (7000 clicks) - excellent condition
6D2 (14 000 clicks) - good condition - a few minor scratches
70-200/2.8 IS MK2 - good condition
24-70/2.8 MK2 - very good condition

+ additional 1800 dollars

Them:
GFX 50S + 63/2.8

What do you think?

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Are the 70-200 & 24-70 Mark IIs?

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