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I set the numbering on my new RX10 IV to be ‘RX4nnnnn’ with sRGB also set to get the extra digit (was necessary on my previous body).

I was at image number RX400578.ARW last night and I don’t know if this is related but I got an error message about being unable to use the SD Card [Lexar 1000]

I swapped the card into my A7R2 and got the same message. I then formatted the card I think in the A7R2 and the next day taking images of my existing gear to sell it, the count jumped to ‘RX408472.ARW’ with no captured images in between. The A7R2 image count was ‘DSC08468’ - It’s as though I’ve adopted the count from the A7R2 :-(

Can anyone explain what might have happened here please, as it is not only annoying but worrying too.

Jamie
 
yes the memory card will adopt the image count of whatever camera it is formatted in.
 
Labe said:
yes the memory card will adopt the image count of whatever camera it is formatted in.
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That's not true with my Sony cameras.

The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1

My Sonys are old ... so I guess it's not impossible that newer models do what you say, somehow causing the card to 'store' the highest file number last seen in some reserved area of the memory card - even after the card has been formatted - and then forcing the camera to refer to that number.
 
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sybersitizen said:
Labe said:
yes the memory card will adopt the image count of whatever camera it is formatted in.
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That's not true with my Sony cameras.

The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1

My Sonys are old ... so I guess it's not impossible that newer models do what you say, somehow causing the card to 'store' the highest file number last seen in some reserved area of the memory card - even after the card has been formatted - and then forcing the camera to refer to that number.
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Duh answered fully in head but left off the thread.

Missed the bit about it always takes the highest value so if card formatted in a camera with a higher image count then that’s the number it will use.

Thanks for spotting that. Been a long day lol
 
Labe said:
sybersitizen said:
Labe said:
yes the memory card will adopt the image count of whatever camera it is formatted in.
Click to expand...
That's not true with my Sony cameras.

The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1

My Sonys are old ... so I guess it's not impossible that newer models do what you say, somehow causing the card to 'store' the highest file number last seen in some reserved area of the memory card - even after the card has been formatted - and then forcing the camera to refer to that number.
Click to expand...
Duh answered fully in head but left off the thread.

Missed the bit about it always takes the highest value so if card formatted in a camera with a higher image count then that’s the number it will use.

Thanks for spotting that. Been a long day lol
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No prob. Sony is doing some weird things with card management lately, so I was reluctant to make any guesses about that.
 
sybersitizen said:
Labe said:
sybersitizen said:
Labe said:
yes the memory card will adopt the image count of whatever camera it is formatted in.
Click to expand...
That's not true with my Sony cameras.

The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1

My Sonys are old ... so I guess it's not impossible that newer models do what you say, somehow causing the card to 'store' the highest file number last seen in some reserved area of the memory card - even after the card has been formatted - and then forcing the camera to refer to that number.
Click to expand...
Duh answered fully in head but left off the thread.

Missed the bit about it always takes the highest value so if card formatted in a camera with a higher image count then that’s the number it will use.

Thanks for spotting that. Been a long day lol
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No prob. Sony is doing some weird things with card management lately, so I was reluctant to make any guesses about that.
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Hmm even a full format (windows) still leaves me with the 8K higher number.

Is there anything that can be done to resolve this please?
 
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1
Click to expand...
Hmm even a full format (windows) still leaves me with the 8K higher number.
Click to expand...
That's because your camera has now adopted the new (higher) number as its own number and has stored it in its own counter.
Jayteepix said:
Is there anything that can be done to resolve this please?
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You can manually reset the camera's counter to any number you like, but I don't have time to describe that process right now. Maybe later.

What number do you want your next photo to have?
 
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sybersitizen said:
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1
Click to expand...
Hmm even a full format (windows) still leaves me with the 8K higher number.
Click to expand...
That's because your camera has now adopted the new (higher) number as its own number and has stored it in its own counter.
sybersitizen said:
Is there anything that can be done to resolve this please?
Click to expand...
You can manually reset the camera's counter to any number you like, but I don't have time to describe that process right now. Maybe later.

What number do you want your next photo to have?
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00600 would get it back roughly on target if you can find time to explain thanks

Jamie
 
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1
Click to expand...
Hmm even a full format (windows) still leaves me with the 8K higher number.
Click to expand...
That's because your camera has now adopted the new (higher) number as its own number and has stored it in its own counter.
Jayteepix said:
Is there anything that can be done to resolve this please?
Click to expand...
You can manually reset the camera's counter to any number you like, but I don't have time to describe that process right now. Maybe later.

What number do you want your next photo to have?
Click to expand...
00600 would get it back roughly on target if you can find time to explain thanks
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Here are all three options:

Option A: If you want the new number to be 0001:

1. Take one shot starting with a memory card that's empty and freshly formatted.
2. Put the card in a computer and look at the file.
3. Using your computer, rename the last four digits of that file to 9999.
4. Return the card to the camera.
5. You might want to rebuild the camera's database, but I think that's optional.
6. Take a shot and look at the result. It should have the file number 0001.
7 However, the new shot will probably be in a new folder, and that's not what you want.
8. Now format the card in-camera again. That should eliminate the extra folder on the card going forward.

Option B: If you want the new number to be HIGHER than the number currently in the camera's counter:

1. Take at least one shot on a memory card.
2. Put the card in a computer and look at it.
3. Locate the shot on the card with the highest file number.
4. Using your computer, rename the last four digits of that file to the number you want -1.
5. Return the card to the camera.
6. You might want to rebuild the camera's database, but I think that's optional.
7. Take a shot and look at the result. It should have the file number you wanted.

Option C: If you want the new number to be LOWER than the number currently in the camera's counter:

1. First follow the instructions for Option A.
2. Then follow the instructions for Option B.
3. You're done.
 
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sybersitizen said:
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1
Click to expand...
Hmm even a full format (windows) still leaves me with the 8K higher number.
Click to expand...
That's because your camera has now adopted the new (higher) number as its own number and has stored it in its own counter.
sybersitizen said:
Is there anything that can be done to resolve this please?
Click to expand...
You can manually reset the camera's counter to any number you like, but I don't have time to describe that process right now. Maybe later.

What number do you want your next photo to have?
Click to expand...
00600 would get it back roughly on target if you can find time to explain thanks
Click to expand...
Here are all three options:

Option A: If you want the new number to be 0001:
  1. Take one shot starting with a memory card that's empty and freshly formatted.
  2. Put the card in a computer and look at the file.
  3. Using your computer, rename the last four digits of that file to 9999.
  4. Return the card to the camera.
  5. You might want to rebuild the camera's database, but I think that's optional.
  6. Take a shot and look at the result. It should have the file number 0001.
    7 However, the new shot will probably be in a new folder, and that's not what you want.
  7. Now format the card in-camera again. That should eliminate the extra folder on the card going forward.
Option B: If you want the new number to be HIGHER than the number currently in the camera's counter:
  1. Take at least one shot on a memory card.
  2. Put the card in a computer and look at it.
  3. Locate the shot on the card with the highest file number.
  4. Using your computer, rename the last four digits of that file to the number you want -1.
  5. Return the card to the camera.
  6. You might want to rebuild the camera's database, but I think that's optional.
  7. Take a shot and look at the result. It should have the file number you wanted.
Option C: If you want the new number to be LOWER than the number currently in the camera's counter:
  1. First follow the instructions for Option A.
  2. Then follow the instructions for Option B.
  3. You're done.
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Clever and logical!
 
sybersitizen said:
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
Jayteepix said:
sybersitizen said:
The file number used for a shot will be whichever is the higher number of these two:

the number last used by the specific camera +1

or

the number of any file that the camera sees on the memory card +1
Click to expand...
Hmm even a full format (windows) still leaves me with the 8K higher number.
Click to expand...
That's because your camera has now adopted the new (higher) number as its own number and has stored it in its own counter.
sybersitizen said:
Is there anything that can be done to resolve this please?
Click to expand...
You can manually reset the camera's counter to any number you like, but I don't have time to describe that process right now. Maybe later.

What number do you want your next photo to have?
Click to expand...
00600 would get it back roughly on target if you can find time to explain thanks
Click to expand...
Here are all three options:

Option A: If you want the new number to be 0001:

1. Take one shot starting with a memory card that's empty and freshly formatted.
2. Put the card in a computer and look at the file.
3. Using your computer, rename the last four digits of that file to 9999.
4. Return the card to the camera.
5. You might want to rebuild the camera's database, but I think that's optional.
6. Take a shot and look at the result. It should have the file number 0001.
7 However, the new shot will probably be in a new folder, and that's not what you want.
8. Now format the card in-camera again. That should eliminate the extra folder on the card going forward.

Option B: If you want the new number to be HIGHER than the number currently in the camera's counter:

1. Take at least one shot on a memory card.
2. Put the card in a computer and look at it.
3. Locate the shot on the card with the highest file number.
4. Using your computer, rename the last four digits of that file to the number you want -1.
5. Return the card to the camera.
6. You might want to rebuild the camera's database, but I think that's optional.
7. Take a shot and look at the result. It should have the file number you wanted.

Option C: If you want the new number to be LOWER than the number currently in the camera's counter:

1. First follow the instructions for Option A.
2. Then follow the instructions for Option B.
3. You're done.
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Thank you very much for the above....

Several passes at Options A & B would not change the number - perhaps this might have something to do with the camera database.

However I did succeed in getting back to image number one by using
Toolbox -> File Number change Series to Reset.

I plan to delete most of my practice shots and rename what is left out of the way and shoot from image #1 again thinking being 450 light on the real click count is better than keeping a count which was falsely 8K greater.

Many thanks for this help - can you help me further by pointing me to how to "rebuild the camera database" please?
 
Jayteepix said:
Thank you very much for the above....

Several passes at Options A & B would not change the number -
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That's very surprising.
Jayteepix said:
perhaps this might have something to do with the camera database.
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Maybe.
Jayteepix said:
However I did succeed in getting back to image number one by using
Toolbox -> File Number change Series to Reset.
Click to expand...
Yes, Sony's more recent cameras include that option. Most don't have it, though.
Jayteepix said:
I plan to delete most of my practice shots and rename what is left out of the way and shoot from image #1 again thinking being 450 light on the real click count is better than keeping a count which was falsely 8K greater.

Many thanks for this help - can you help me further by pointing me to how to "rebuild the camera database" please?
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It's a menu item called 'Recover Image DB' ... but it might not be shown if the camera thinks there's nothing wrong with the database. It's described in the camera's documentation :

MENU → (Setup) → [Recover Image DB] → [Enter].

If image files were processed on a computer, problems may occur in the image database file. In such cases, the images on the memory card will not be played back on this product. If these problems happen, repair the file using [Recover Image DB].
 
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The recover image DB option is a permanent option. If there's nothing wrong with the database it will say "no database errors found".
 
tbcass said:
The recover image DB option is a permanent option. If there's nothing wrong with the database it will say "no database errors found".
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I figured as much because that's true for most Sonys; but I've had a couple where the option appears only if the camera detects a problem first. I'm overcautious about assuming too much with a model I don't own.
 
sybersitizen said:
tbcass said:
The recover image DB option is a permanent option. If there's nothing wrong with the database it will say "no database errors found".
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I figured as much because that's true for most Sonys; but I've had a couple where the option appears only if the camera detects a problem first. I'm overcautious about assuming too much with a model I don't own.
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Thanks both. I see it on Setup 6 screen but as stated above I was just happy to get back to image count #1
 
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