X-H1 vs. X-T2 - Users of the X-H1

For those of you who have or have had both, what have you found with the X-H1 that is significantly better than the X-T2 (other than the IBIS with non OIS lenses)?

Image Quality:

Auto-Focus: (like tracking or acquisition/lock on),

IBIS is much better than the OIS w/OIS lenses,

White Balance,

Better High ISO?

Etc.?

The current prices on the X-T2 are really good and wondering "what" the extra dollars for the X-H1 would bring in daily and practical application. Considering replacing my X-T1.

Thanks very much! Bob

olynik969 said:

For those of you who have or have had both, what have you found with the X-H1 that is significantly better than the X-T2 (other than the IBIS with non OIS lenses)?

Image Quality:

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For all intents and purposes, identical

olynik969 said:

Auto-Focus: (like tracking or acquisition/lock on),

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Tracking AF somewhat more responsive in the X-H1. AF also seems a bit more responsive in challenging light.

olynik969 said:

IBIS is much better than the OIS w/OIS lenses,

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Not really. IBIS works very well with non OIS lenses like the 16-55. Have managed some rock solid exposures at 1/2s (though not consistently at speeds that slow). However, lenses which already have OIS, like the 100-400, seem to perform similarly on both cameras in terms of stabilization.

olynik969 said:

White Balance,

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No difference seen

olynik969 said:

Better High ISO?

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Supposedly a touch better, but haven't noticed much difference

olynik969 said:

Etc.?

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Handling with large lenses much better on the X-H1. This is a place where the additional size really helps.

olynik969 said:

The current prices on the X-T2 are really good and wondering "what" the extra dollars for the X-H1 would bring in daily and practical application. Considering replacing my X-T1.

Thanks very much! Bob

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Hope this helped a bit.

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Jerry-Astro
Fujifilm X Forum Co-Mod

I find holding the X-H1 is more comfortable and the IBIS works well.

Picture quality - can't see a difference but I have not used the cameras together to compare.

But overall I'am very pleased with the X-H1. Not sure if I still need the X-T2 really.

For me it's the sum of it all that makes the H1 a lot more desirable to me. But here's my list:

• The AF is more snappy especially in the dark (which probably will be added to the T2 w/ a firmware update)
• IBIS gives me more opportunities in the dark with any lens
• The grip is a relief even for small and light lenses but for sure that's a personal preference
• The top display enables me to check the most urgent parameters quickly resulting in less errors I make
• In general I'm overall faster with the H1 for some reasons like the added opportunity with touch AF/shot which sometimes is the fastest way to switch on the camera and immediately shoot (especially from waist and below level)
• The new EVF has more contrast and brightness (besides resolution) which in combination with the natural view (no picture simulation) brings us another step closer to an optical viewfinder experience (with all the options mirrorless cameras bring)
• The buttons are larger and first time I use AF-On and AF-L again after I quit The Nikon DSLR's

Again it's the sum of it all, not a single feature which makes the H1 a different and for me better beast which justifies the extra cost.

As a disclaimer I must confess that I'm not chasing the smallest camera on earth but a ergonomically most efficient camera with a well balanced feature set and picture quality of course. I loved my Nikon's but there is no way back after I tasted mirrorless and the H1 is currently the camera which works best for me, better than the T2.

This has all been said on previous threads but it is a good question. I have both and have shot with them both extensively. I loved the XT-2 and posted 5000 images with it on my travels the past couple of years. But I will never shoot it again. Why?

Because I love the XH-1 so much more. Image quality? IQ encompasses a lot of elements and one of those elements is the ability to hold the camera completely still. 95% of IQ and sharpness complaints about cameras and lenses are really caused by camera movement. The IBIS of the XH-1 is a game-changer for Fuji and it adds tremendous capability, so it rules with this amazing Fuji glass. I will never shoot a camera again without IBIS. It is that good.

White balance? Interesting. I don't care about color temp because I shoot RAW and always play with it in post. But that said, I have noticed over the past year that Fuji seems to be getting better with nailing WB and that is probably all firmware related.

But yes, I can't prove it but I feel the XH-1 is just nailing WB in a wide variety of situations where before auto WB would miss. I can't explain it. I tweak the color temp less in LR now.

The XH-1 feels better in the hands and I love the big grip.

The EVF is amazing and I can't believe it is not given more attention.

The build of the XH-1 is far superior to that of any other Fuji camera by a large factor. It has to be the most rugged body out there. Can't prove it.

I really like the top LCD. Didn't think I would. The Fuji ergo is still the same. The EC dial is is not a factor. It is really still there and actually better using the wheel.

IBIS is better than OIS as a stand-alone comparison (I think -- I can't prove it). Furthermore, IBIS added to OIS is greater than just pure OIS on the XT-2. The equation reads: IBIS + OIS > OIS.

Very generally and relatively speaking (and I can't prove this -- I just feel it from vast experience using both cameras), IBIS with the Brick, 90 or 16, for example, provides more stability than OIS with the XT-1 and say, the 10-24, 18-55, 55-200, or 80. The 100-400? I'm not sure because there is nothing to compare it to with non-OIS lenses and the OIS on the 100-400 is amazing. But yes, IBIS is fantastic, not matter how you try to explain it. It adds something to OIS lenses and for non-OIS lenses, it turns them into beasts.

Is AF better with the XH-1? Yes. Absolutely.

Better high ISO? Anyone who says so will get flamed. There was a thread on that early on and the OP was ridiculed and run out of town by the angry Sony and Canikon mobs who were trying to convince everyone that the XH-1 was a mistake because it had the same sensor as the "old" XT-2. Yes, we all know it's the same sensor and that the 2nd processor is just for the IBIS mechanism - not for the exposure work. That OP on that thread was suggesting that he noticed a slight improvement in post. The LR sliders that adjust the tone curve seemed to have a bit more latitude. I agree. Don't know how Fuji did it -- probably software related than may or may not be added to the XT-2 in a firmware update. But I see it with the XH-1 because I have handled 5000 XH-1 images in LR in post. But I don't want to argue this forcefully because I can't prove it by posting images (which of course is the immediate demand of all critics) and I will get crucified, stoned, tarred and feathered and ridiculed by the great unwashed and angry mobs who hate on the XH-1.

The XH-1 is a much better camera in my opinion than the XT-2. Is it worth the extra 300 bucks? Of course. That is a no-brainer.


Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas

Bob,

Image quality is about the same, with the X-H1 being slightly better. I feel the AF is a little more responsive, but not a huge difference.

For me, it's more about usability and ergonomics. I absolutely love the larger grip. I formerly used full frame Canon bodies and the X-T2 was slightly small and uncomfortable to hold all day long.

My only gripe with the X-H1 is that the exposure compensation dial was replaced with the top led screen. I prefer the dial.

If you're not hand holding your camera for lengths of time, I'd say just keep using your X-T2.

David

OK guys.... What is going on here? I gave myself a thumbs-up symbol in the title which was you prompt to start liking this post. I should have at least 70 thumbs-up votes by now. What gives? Oh, I know. They are just waking up in the US right now.

I expect my amazing analysis of the XH-1 to have about 82 likes within the hour.

Hahaha. I do know this. Had I instead bashed the XH-1, the post would get 200 likes from our visitors here on this board.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas

For taking time to provide your experiences! Very very helpful and informative!

Bob

Because as usual you go to extremes in your professed love of Fuji gear. To many "I can't prove it, but..." opinions.

The fact that you had to post again because you didn't get enough likes? <rolls eyes>

You also have this penchant for lumping in the IBIS feature with IQ. Yes, you can get better photos in many situations with IBIS. But when people talk about IQ they are talking about things outside of IBIS.

I'm pretty sure you got a few hundred likes, but the Sony spies that you're certain haunt this site probably hacked your post and removed them. Dang.

olynik969 said:

Better High ISO?

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No, contrary to what some of the reviews pretend.

I would say even or maybe a slight degrade...

https://www.fujirumors.com/dpreview...m-x-h1-image-quality-really-better-than-x-t2/

The reason why some reviews have wrong conclusions is because the ISO calibration has slightly varied again.

You can easily check this by looking at the exif (at imaging resource and also the dpr studio comparison scene), the exposures at the same ISO are different, x-h1 has more exposure.

Only dpr gives correct and unbiased comparisons. You can check by yourself but X-H1 looks the same or verfy slighlty noisier imho, don't know why ...

Say what ????????? Are you kidding?

TEAS said:

Say what ????????? Are you kidding?

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No need to react like you do.

It is important that the op has the correct information so he can make his own opinion.

Some reviews are misleading and I said precisely why. X-T2 is as good, if not better, than x-H1 at high ISO,

Mike, I say that because it is so true..... IBIS is indeed lumped in big-time with final IQ. I'm glad I had the opportunity to teach you that. We can all learn from each other. Glad you learned from me.

As far as likes? I was making fun of the young people, like my kids. I don't want likes. Don't care.

I think you know that. It was a joke Mike. Lighten up.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas

Wait..... The XT-2 could be better than the XH1 at high ISO? What? Did you just say that?

Christof21 said:

TEAS said:

Say what ????????? Are you kidding?

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No need to react like you do.

It is important that the op has the correct information so he can make his own opinion.

Some reviews are misleading and I said precisely why. X-T2 is as good, if not better, than x-H1 at high ISO,

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Let's qualify that to say "your version of 'correct' information". I own both cameras and would agree with an assessment that both cameras are roughly identical in terms of their high ISO performance. As far as the X-T2 being provably "better" in any way... sorry, but I'm most definitely not seeing it. Share your examples and data if you want anyone to accept your assessment here. Otherwise... it's just another one of the many unqualified opinions shared here.

Greg7579 said:

This has all been said on previous threads but it is a good question. I have both and have shot with them both extensively. I loved the XT-2 and posted 5000 images with it on my travels the past couple of years. But I will never shoot it again. Why?

Because I love the XH-1 so much more. Image quality? IQ encompasses a lot of elements and one of those elements is the ability to hold the camera completely still. 95% of IQ and sharpness complaints about cameras and lenses are really caused by camera movement. The IBIS of the XH-1 is a game-changer for Fuji and it adds tremendous capability, so it rules with this amazing Fuji glass. I will never shoot a camera again without IBIS. It is that good.

White balance? Interesting. I don't care about color temp because I shoot RAW and always play with it in post. But that said, I have noticed over the past year that Fuji seems to be getting better with nailing WB and that is probably all firmware related.

But yes, I can't prove it but I feel the XH-1 is just nailing WB in a wide variety of situations where before auto WB would miss. I can't explain it. I tweak the color temp less in LR now.

The XH-1 feels better in the hands and I love the big grip.

The EVF is amazing and I can't believe it is not given more attention.

The build of the XH-1 is far superior to that of any other Fuji camera by a large factor. It has to be the most rugged body out there. Can't prove it.

I really like the top LCD. Didn't think I would. The Fuji ergo is still the same. The EC dial is is not a factor. It is really still there and actually better using the wheel.

IBIS is better than OIS as a stand-alone comparison (I think -- I can't prove it). Furthermore, IBIS added to OIS is greater than just pure OIS on the XT-2. The equation reads: IBIS + OIS > OIS.

Very generally and relatively speaking (and I can't prove this -- I just feel it from vast experience using both cameras), IBIS with the Brick, 90 or 16, for example, provides more stability than OIS with the XT-1 and say, the 10-24, 18-55, 55-200, or 80. The 100-400? I'm not sure because there is nothing to compare it to with non-OIS lenses and the OIS on the 100-400 is amazing. But yes, IBIS is fantastic, not matter how you try to explain it. It adds something to OIS lenses and for non-OIS lenses, it turns them into beasts.

Is AF better with the XH-1? Yes. Absolutely.

Better high ISO? Anyone who says so will get flamed. There was a thread on that early on and the OP was ridiculed and run out of town by the angry Sony and Canikon mobs who were trying to convince everyone that the XH-1 was a mistake because it had the same sensor as the "old" XT-2. Yes, we all know it's the same sensor and that the 2nd processor is just for the IBIS mechanism - not for the exposure work. That OP on that thread was suggesting that he noticed a slight improvement in post. The LR sliders that adjust the tone curve seemed to have a bit more latitude. I agree. Don't know how Fuji did it -- probably software related than may or may not be added to the XT-2 in a firmware update. But I see it with the XH-1 because I have handled 5000 XH-1 images in LR in post. But I don't want to argue this forcefully because I can't prove it by posting images (which of course is the immediate demand of all critics) and I will get crucified, stoned, tarred and feathered and ridiculed by the great unwashed and angry mobs who hate on the XH-1.

The XH-1 is a much better camera in my opinion than the XT-2. Is it worth the extra 300 bucks? Of course. That is a no-brainer.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums

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No debate - as a current user of the X-T2, the X-H1 is Fujifilm's best camera to date.

Is it the best camera on the market at the 1900-2000 USD price point - not in my books - maybe in yours.

Is it $500 better than the X-T2 - not in my books - maybe in yours.

If money is not an issue for you - just get the X-H1.

Canadianguy said:

Greg7579 said:

This has all been said on previous threads but it is a good question. I have both and have shot with them both extensively. I loved the XT-2 and posted 5000 images with it on my travels the past couple of years. But I will never shoot it again. Why?

Because I love the XH-1 so much more. Image quality? IQ encompasses a lot of elements and one of those elements is the ability to hold the camera completely still. 95% of IQ and sharpness complaints about cameras and lenses are really caused by camera movement. The IBIS of the XH-1 is a game-changer for Fuji and it adds tremendous capability, so it rules with this amazing Fuji glass. I will never shoot a camera again without IBIS. It is that good.

White balance? Interesting. I don't care about color temp because I shoot RAW and always play with it in post. But that said, I have noticed over the past year that Fuji seems to be getting better with nailing WB and that is probably all firmware related.

But yes, I can't prove it but I feel the XH-1 is just nailing WB in a wide variety of situations where before auto WB would miss. I can't explain it. I tweak the color temp less in LR now.

The XH-1 feels better in the hands and I love the big grip.

The EVF is amazing and I can't believe it is not given more attention.

The build of the XH-1 is far superior to that of any other Fuji camera by a large factor. It has to be the most rugged body out there. Can't prove it.

I really like the top LCD. Didn't think I would. The Fuji ergo is still the same. The EC dial is is not a factor. It is really still there and actually better using the wheel.

IBIS is better than OIS as a stand-alone comparison (I think -- I can't prove it). Furthermore, IBIS added to OIS is greater than just pure OIS on the XT-2. The equation reads: IBIS + OIS > OIS.

Very generally and relatively speaking (and I can't prove this -- I just feel it from vast experience using both cameras), IBIS with the Brick, 90 or 16, for example, provides more stability than OIS with the XT-1 and say, the 10-24, 18-55, 55-200, or 80. The 100-400? I'm not sure because there is nothing to compare it to with non-OIS lenses and the OIS on the 100-400 is amazing. But yes, IBIS is fantastic, not matter how you try to explain it. It adds something to OIS lenses and for non-OIS lenses, it turns them into beasts.

Is AF better with the XH-1? Yes. Absolutely.

Better high ISO? Anyone who says so will get flamed. There was a thread on that early on and the OP was ridiculed and run out of town by the angry Sony and Canikon mobs who were trying to convince everyone that the XH-1 was a mistake because it had the same sensor as the "old" XT-2. Yes, we all know it's the same sensor and that the 2nd processor is just for the IBIS mechanism - not for the exposure work. That OP on that thread was suggesting that he noticed a slight improvement in post. The LR sliders that adjust the tone curve seemed to have a bit more latitude. I agree. Don't know how Fuji did it -- probably software related than may or may not be added to the XT-2 in a firmware update. But I see it with the XH-1 because I have handled 5000 XH-1 images in LR in post. But I don't want to argue this forcefully because I can't prove it by posting images (which of course is the immediate demand of all critics) and I will get crucified, stoned, tarred and feathered and ridiculed by the great unwashed and angry mobs who hate on the XH-1.

The XH-1 is a much better camera in my opinion than the XT-2. Is it worth the extra 300 bucks? Of course. That is a no-brainer.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums

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No debate - as a current user of the X-T2, the X-H1 is Fujifilm's best camera to date.

Is it the best camera on the market at the 1900-2000 USD price point - not in my books - maybe in yours.

Is it $500 better than the X-T2 - not in my books - maybe in yours.

If money is not an issue for you - just get the X-H1.

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That's exactly what I did and will do again when Fuji releases it's nect camera with IBIS.

If the XT-3 has no IBIS but a better sensor? I won't buy it. I will wait for the XH-2 with that new sensor. Non IBIS cameras are dead. Just like DSLRs.


Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas

dmurphey said:

Bob,

My only gripe with the X-H1 is that the exposure compensation dial was replaced with the top led screen. I prefer the dial.

David

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At first I hated the idea no EC dial which I am used to. But, now I actually like & prefer the X-H1 EC button instead.

The default is you hold the EC button and use the rear wheel dial to adjust. Found it better if you change to toggle ON/OFF.

Canadianguy said:

Greg7579 said:

This has all been said on previous threads but it is a good question. I have both and have shot with them both extensively. I loved the XT-2 and posted 5000 images with it on my travels the past couple of years. But I will never shoot it again. Why?

Because I love the XH-1 so much more. Image quality? IQ encompasses a lot of elements and one of those elements is the ability to hold the camera completely still. 95% of IQ and sharpness complaints about cameras and lenses are really caused by camera movement. The IBIS of the XH-1 is a game-changer for Fuji and it adds tremendous capability, so it rules with this amazing Fuji glass. I will never shoot a camera again without IBIS. It is that good.

White balance? Interesting. I don't care about color temp because I shoot RAW and always play with it in post. But that said, I have noticed over the past year that Fuji seems to be getting better with nailing WB and that is probably all firmware related.

But yes, I can't prove it but I feel the XH-1 is just nailing WB in a wide variety of situations where before auto WB would miss. I can't explain it. I tweak the color temp less in LR now.

The XH-1 feels better in the hands and I love the big grip.

The EVF is amazing and I can't believe it is not given more attention.

The build of the XH-1 is far superior to that of any other Fuji camera by a large factor. It has to be the most rugged body out there. Can't prove it.

I really like the top LCD. Didn't think I would. The Fuji ergo is still the same. The EC dial is is not a factor. It is really still there and actually better using the wheel.

IBIS is better than OIS as a stand-alone comparison (I think -- I can't prove it). Furthermore, IBIS added to OIS is greater than just pure OIS on the XT-2. The equation reads: IBIS + OIS > OIS.

Very generally and relatively speaking (and I can't prove this -- I just feel it from vast experience using both cameras), IBIS with the Brick, 90 or 16, for example, provides more stability than OIS with the XT-1 and say, the 10-24, 18-55, 55-200, or 80. The 100-400? I'm not sure because there is nothing to compare it to with non-OIS lenses and the OIS on the 100-400 is amazing. But yes, IBIS is fantastic, not matter how you try to explain it. It adds something to OIS lenses and for non-OIS lenses, it turns them into beasts.

Is AF better with the XH-1? Yes. Absolutely.

Better high ISO? Anyone who says so will get flamed. There was a thread on that early on and the OP was ridiculed and run out of town by the angry Sony and Canikon mobs who were trying to convince everyone that the XH-1 was a mistake because it had the same sensor as the "old" XT-2. Yes, we all know it's the same sensor and that the 2nd processor is just for the IBIS mechanism - not for the exposure work. That OP on that thread was suggesting that he noticed a slight improvement in post. The LR sliders that adjust the tone curve seemed to have a bit more latitude. I agree. Don't know how Fuji did it -- probably software related than may or may not be added to the XT-2 in a firmware update. But I see it with the XH-1 because I have handled 5000 XH-1 images in LR in post. But I don't want to argue this forcefully because I can't prove it by posting images (which of course is the immediate demand of all critics) and I will get crucified, stoned, tarred and feathered and ridiculed by the great unwashed and angry mobs who hate on the XH-1.

The XH-1 is a much better camera in my opinion than the XT-2. Is it worth the extra 300 bucks? Of course. That is a no-brainer.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums

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No debate - as a current user of the X-T2, the X-H1 is Fujifilm's best camera to date.

Is it the best camera on the market at the 1900-2000 USD price point - not in my books - maybe in yours.

Is it $500 better than the X-T2 - not in my books - maybe in yours.

If money is not an issue for you - just get the X-H1.

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I just sold my Pentax K1 and in a period of about 6 months I took around 30,000 photos. I wanted a much more solid fuji body and based on several recommendations here I went for the XH1, and the camera does feel like it is going to last me longer than a XT2. That shutter button alone feels like real high quality, plus I too wanted IBIS after using the Pentax because I too took many photos in low light situations that I would not have gotten without IBIS. IBIS has opened up other posibilities for me too and so far the XH1 is performing much better than the pentax. To some it is worth it, to offers not.