Video hosting and distribution

LesDMess · Feb 25, 2018

Having started back in video because of my DJI Phantom P4 acquisition, I am now finding out some of the obstacles to distributing my results - besides the hardware and software for editing. The main problem is of course distributing it particularly on the web. I currently use fototime - been using it for years mostly for pics uneventfully, but it isn't a great video platform. For one I can't use it to link videos here on DPREVIEW as it looks like only vimeo and youtube are compatible. Of course the other is format as it seems there is a multitude of formats out there and they are not all cross compatible across all platforms - desktop, smartphones and smart TVs. Definitely experiencing giantism of file sizes and clearly those are dictated by res and bits per second regardless of format.

Anyway, I was just wondering how everyone is dealing with these issues.

This is a test of my P4's point of interest mode around a circle on vimeo. Seems their conversion did not grossly affect the already considerably downsized version of the original file.

Gothaw · Feb 26, 2018

I'm just using YouTube. I haven't used Vimeo even though I believe the quality is better.

It seems that most everyone who's very active in flying, editing and posting have their own YouTube channel. Then there's all the tutorials on YT also.

What a great place for a POI flight. Very well positioned...

LesDMess · Feb 26, 2018

I am not aware if there is a quality difference between YT and Vimeo. I would think that since 4K material is on there that it would not be an issue. My main concern about YT - and I haven't looked into it much, is ownership of the material. Of course supposedly putting your drone video on YT may be considered "professional" use and haven't gone down that path yet.

Yeah that location seemed most appropriate for a POI mode. I must admit I am overusing that mode . . . ;-)

MindInRewind · Apr 16, 2018

LesDMess said:
I am not aware if there is a quality difference between YT and Vimeo. I would think that since 4K material is on there that it would not be an issue. My main concern about YT - and I haven't looked into it much, is ownership of the material. Of course supposedly putting your drone video on YT may be considered "professional" use and haven't gone down that path yet.

Yeah that location seemed most appropriate for a POI mode. I must admit I am overusing that mode . . . ;-)

Ownership of material? Did you take the video? If you answered yes, then you own the video. Youtube (owned by google) is a service that is paid for by ads and by collecting information about you - there is no transfer of ownership of your videos when you post to their service - same goes with Vimeo.

And what does this even mean: "Of course supposedly putting your drone video on YT may be considered "professional" use"? Believe me, going off the cr4p that is on YT, you do not need to be a professional and it definitely does not make you a professional posting on YouTube.

As far as quality between YouTube and Viemo... six of one, half dozen the other, really. Youtube is more of a social platform, and Vimeo is more... "professional" in appearance and functionality; but as far as quality, no difference really. Maybe a slight edge to Vimeo (in my very not-so-scientific testing).

~MIR

Nirurin · Apr 16, 2018

MindInRewind said:
LesDMess said:

I am not aware if there is a quality difference between YT and Vimeo. I would think that since 4K material is on there that it would not be an issue. My main concern about YT - and I haven't looked into it much, is ownership of the material. Of course supposedly putting your drone video on YT may be considered "professional" use and haven't gone down that path yet.

Yeah that location seemed most appropriate for a POI mode. I must admit I am overusing that mode . . . ;-)

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Ownership of material? Did you take the video? If you answered yes, then you own the video. Youtube (owned by google) is a service that is paid for by ads and by collecting information about you - there is no transfer of ownership of your videos when you post to their service - same goes with Vimeo.

And what does this even mean: "Of course supposedly putting your drone video on YT may be considered "professional" use"? Believe me, going off the cr4p that is on YT, you do not need to be a professional and it definitely does not make you a professional posting on YouTube.

As far as quality between YouTube and Viemo... six of one, half dozen the other, really. Youtube is more of a social platform, and Vimeo is more... "professional" in appearance and functionality; but as far as quality, no difference really. Maybe a slight edge to Vimeo (in my very not-so-scientific testing).

~MIR

To everyone who says there is no difference between youtube and vimeo, there is. Youtube has a significantly lower maximum bitrate for video, and so anything you upload to youtube will be more likely to have artifacts, particularly in busy scenes.

Youtube will let you upload files at any bitrate you like, but they then compress the heck out of it so it meets their specs.

I believe for 1080p footage, Youtube maxes out at 6Mbps, while Vimeo is 10Mbps. I can't remember the exact figures for 4k, as I only animate at 1080p so the 4k stuff hasn't mattered to me until my drone turned up over the weekend... I'll have to check it out.

junk1 · Apr 17, 2018

Hard to quickly separate rumor from fact, but I thought FAA went after drone pilots (2-3 years ago) who posted videos on YT, claiming doing so made them "pros". If they have affiliate links, it's sort of true I suppose, but is a "stretch" since they are not directly selling the images. Are we also pros because we are discussing the subject on a for-profit site? Pros have to pass a test, so why should they be limited to 400' as long as the drone is w/in line of sight anyhow, the whole thing is ridiculous. A pro flying a small/medium sized drone is more regulated than a hobbyist (ie me) flying a larger drone, that makes sense how exactly?

Nirurin · Apr 17, 2018

junk1 said:
Hard to quickly separate rumor from fact, but I thought FAA went after drone pilots (2-3 years ago) who posted videos on YT, claiming doing so made them "pros". If they have affiliate links, it's sort of true I suppose, but is a "stretch" since they are not directly selling the images. Are we also pros because we are discussing the subject on a for-profit site? Pros have to pass a test, so why should they be limited to 400' as long as the drone is w/in line of sight anyhow, the whole thing is ridiculous. A pro flying a small/medium sized drone is more regulated than a hobbyist (ie me) flying a larger drone, that makes sense how exactly?

I could only assume that if that FAA case actually happened, it quickly got dropped. Anyone can post videos on youtube. I can sit and post up a 30 minute rant on the state of british politics, but it doesn't make me a professional political analyst. It just makes me an average pub-goer after a couple of pints of Arrogant B*stard. (Yes, that's a real Ale, though dpreview still made me censor it. It's not a swear, it's a descriptor.)

I do agree though that if you have passed the flight test, that you should have much more freedom to fly in areas such as busier parks etc, as you can get much better footage with the motion of living groups of people around/below you. And someone who is capable (i.e. not stupid and reckless) can easily handle a drone around people without any danger.

No more danger (in fact probably much less danger) than the guy on a skateboard who is barreling through a busy city street doing kick flips and grinding benches and the like.

I realise this post makes me sound like an old man. Maybe I am. It's a slippery slope, this aging thing.

UneBoleeDAir · Apr 19, 2018

Due to quiet recent new politic of Vimeo to cap the free total storage to 5Go, I moved to Youtube where the compression algorithms are maybe a little bit harshier, but all in all I'm very happy with Youtube where you can just upload whatever you want without any storage restriction, for free, thank you Google ! :-D
Here is an example of the exact same video in 1080p uploaded to the both plateforms, wait until or go to 0:13 where you can see differences in the low light treatment of the GoPro footage (on my computer it is totally clean of course)...

I observed the same amount of "pixelisation compression" with the Mavic Air footage, here is an obvious example of the bitrate "bad" compression in 1080p format (watch the left side of the video in the branches, first in 4K and then in 1080p, on my computer the 1080p is probably even a little bit cleaner than the 4K on Youtube).

But it seems to be in very precise conditions as it is quite not happening in this one so...

All in all, even if Youtube is of course not perfect, I think it is by far the best option for sharing videos for free (if you are willing to pay, then Vimeo is better to me). ;-)

Nirurin · Apr 19, 2018

UneBoleeDAir said:
Due to quiet recent new politic of Vimeo to cap the free total storage to 5Go, I moved to Youtube where the compression algorithms are maybe a little bit harshier, but all in all I'm very happy with Youtube where you can just upload whatever you want without any storage restriction, for free, thank you Google ! :-D

UneBoleeDAir said:
All in all, even if Youtube is of course not perfect, I think it is by far the best option for sharing videos for free (if you are willing to pay, then Vimeo is better to me). ;-)

Got to be careful with saying youtube and google are 'free'... I mean you do get more from them without any obvious costs, but they -are- selling your data and using your content in any way they can to make money without your knowledge. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it is saving you money, but it's not like they're giving you unlimited space for generous reasons. You videos will have ads running on them on youtube for a start.

I say that as someone who uses a lot of google products, including youtube. I use youtube for all of my test footage and for all of the individual drafts of animations that I share with people, because there's no limits and the image quality doesn't matter so much on a draft.

But for professional work, or for final-edits, or in general anything that will be released to the general public - Has to be Vimeo. You don't want clients to be seeing ads for pantyliners and organic SUV's before watching your overly compressed video

So yeh, youtube is great, I use it for like 90% of my video uploads. The really important 10% is left to Vimeo. Pretty sure this is how most people do it tbh. And I only have the free Vimeo account still, it'll take a while to fill up 5gb.

UneBoleeDAir · Apr 20, 2018

You are totally right espacially when you think as a professional, I'm just an amateur !

LesDMess · Apr 21, 2018

Nirurin said:
junk1 said:

Hard to quickly separate rumor from fact, but I thought FAA went after drone pilots (2-3 years ago) who posted videos on YT, claiming doing so made them "pros". If they have affiliate links, it's sort of true I suppose, but is a "stretch" since they are not directly selling the images. Are we also pros because we are discussing the subject on a for-profit site? Pros have to pass a test, so why should they be limited to 400' as long as the drone is w/in line of sight anyhow, the whole thing is ridiculous. A pro flying a small/medium sized drone is more regulated than a hobbyist (ie me) flying a larger drone, that makes sense how exactly?

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I could only assume that if that FAA case actually happened, it quickly got dropped. Anyone can post videos on youtube. I can sit and post up a 30 minute rant on the state of british politics, but it doesn't make me a professional political analyst. It just makes me an average pub-goer after a couple of pints of Arrogant B*stard. (Yes, that's a real Ale, though dpreview still made me censor it. It's not a swear, it's a descriptor.)

I have seen many YT posts that claim FAA fines due to the requirements of PART 107 and their channel being "monetized" even though they are just hobbyist. I don't really know them and wouldn't really know if it is actually true or not.

LesDMess · Apr 21, 2018

UneBoleeDAir said:
Due to quiet recent new politic of Vimeo to cap the free total storage to 5Go, I moved to Youtube where the compression algorithms are maybe a little bit harshier, but all in all I'm very happy with Youtube where you can just upload whatever you want without any storage restriction, for free, thank you Google ! :-D
Here is an example of the exact same video in 1080p uploaded to the both plateforms, wait until or go to 0:13 where you can see differences in the low light treatment of the GoPro footage (on my computer it is totally clean of course)...
I observed the same amount of "pixelisation compression" with the Mavic Air footage, here is an obvious example of the bitrate "bad" compression in 1080p format (watch the left side of the video in the branches, first in 4K and then in 1080p, on my computer the 1080p is probably even a little bit cleaner than the 4K on Youtube).
But it seems to be in very precise conditions as it is quite not happening in this one so...
All in all, even if Youtube is of course not perfect, I think it is by far the best option for sharing videos for free (if you are willing to pay, then Vimeo is better to me). ;-)

Thanks for the very evident difference in compression between YT and Vimeo.

LesDMess · Apr 21, 2018

Nirurin said:
UneBoleeDAir said:

Due to quiet recent new politic of Vimeo to cap the free total storage to 5Go, I moved to Youtube where the compression algorithms are maybe a little bit harshier, but all in all I'm very happy with Youtube where you can just upload whatever you want without any storage restriction, for free, thank you Google ! :-D

All in all, even if Youtube is of course not perfect, I think it is by far the best option for sharing videos for free (if you are willing to pay, then Vimeo is better to me). ;-)

Click to expand...

Got to be careful with saying youtube and google are 'free'... I mean you do get more from them without any obvious costs, but they -are- selling your data and using your content in any way they can to make money without your knowledge. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it is saving you money, but it's not like they're giving you unlimited space for generous reasons. You videos will have ads running on them on youtube for a start.

I say that as someone who uses a lot of google products, including youtube. I use youtube for all of my test footage and for all of the individual drafts of animations that I share with people, because there's no limits and the image quality doesn't matter so much on a draft.

But for professional work, or for final-edits, or in general anything that will be released to the general public - Has to be Vimeo. You don't want clients to be seeing ads for pantyliners and organic SUV's before watching your overly compressed video

So yeh, youtube is great, I use it for like 90% of my video uploads. The really important 10% is left to Vimeo. Pretty sure this is how most people do it tbh. And I only have the free Vimeo account still, it'll take a while to fill up 5gb.

Thanks as your response clarifies my initial questions and subsequent ones as well! Most likely the route I will take.

Nirurin · Apr 21, 2018

LesDMess said:
Nirurin said:

junk1 said:

Hard to quickly separate rumor from fact, but I thought FAA went after drone pilots (2-3 years ago) who posted videos on YT, claiming doing so made them "pros". If they have affiliate links, it's sort of true I suppose, but is a "stretch" since they are not directly selling the images. Are we also pros because we are discussing the subject on a for-profit site? Pros have to pass a test, so why should they be limited to 400' as long as the drone is w/in line of sight anyhow, the whole thing is ridiculous. A pro flying a small/medium sized drone is more regulated than a hobbyist (ie me) flying a larger drone, that makes sense how exactly?

Click to expand...

I could only assume that if that FAA case actually happened, it quickly got dropped. Anyone can post videos on youtube. I can sit and post up a 30 minute rant on the state of british politics, but it doesn't make me a professional political analyst. It just makes me an average pub-goer after a couple of pints of Arrogant B*stard. (Yes, that's a real Ale, though dpreview still made me censor it. It's not a swear, it's a descriptor.)

Click to expand...

I have seen many YT posts that claim FAA fines due to the requirements of PART 107 and their channel being "monetized" even though they are just hobbyist. I don't really know them and wouldn't really know if it is actually true or not.

The FAA (or at least one eager worker in the FAA) apparently did contact one youtuber and try and charge them with flying without a 107, because they classed youtube ads as being 'commercial'. There was such a backlash from it that the FAA came out publicly to say that actually youtube is fine.

This is the gist of what I learned about it anyway. There was more details in what I read, but I don't remember where I read it. I'm in the UK so the FAA stuff isn't relevant to me. Which is a shame, because the FAA test is a £100 quick safety check. In the UK the commercial flying licence is a 3 day course that costs over £1100.

UneBoleeDAir · Apr 21, 2018

You are very welcome !

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