Have 85mm what to get next for environmental portraits?

Anything in the 35-50 range should work. My pick of the range would be the "new" Sigma 35 ART.

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I too am tempted by the Sigma 35mm Art, but I would not call it "new" it just has an adapter semi-permanently attached to it. According to Sigma, the 35mm could have been made smaller due to Sony's mirrorless architecture. If money were no object and I was going to use an adapted lens, my first choice would be Canon's EF 35mm f/1.4LII...

Regards, I am considering the not-really "new" Sigma 35mm or staying with the Sony Zeiss 35mm f/1.4ZA (Granted, I would have to buy several copies to ensure I get a good copy. Perhaps, 5 will do... Perhaps. the quality control issues on this lens is indeed over perpetuated, but regardless it does beg for caution.)
 
Going through the exact same thinking. I have an A7III on order and have just received the 24-105 lens. I'll be picking up an 85 f1.8 and am looking for something in the 25-35mm range. As many others have wished for, if there was a Batis 35mm f2 that would be my choice. Instead it's either the cost/weight/lottery of the 35 1.4 vs either the 35f 2.8/28 f2 or perhaps the Batis 25, but that's a little on the wide side. First world problems!
 
You can never go wrong with 16-35mm GM, it serve multiple purposes. From landscape to general photo and events
 
The Rokinon 35mm f2.8 is much cheaper than the Sony version. Could be a good contender.
 
I absolutely love my FE 85mm f/1.8 to death, phenomenal performance to price ratio. Size and weight is also perfect for A7 III. Last week I went out and found 85mm to be far too long for environmental portraits to achieve a view/dof like https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000IuS.lYkcN5c/sec=wdfsdfoeflwefms1440ed20180411DNJWfUifQb0rsSC/fit=2040x2040 photo from Jonathan bielaski's site.

I have obsessively read this forum over the past few weeks so I know my options are either Batis 25, FE 28, FE 35, 24-105 or wait for Tamron 28-75. I know all the price, performance and weight factors of these lens (except Tamron obviously) but I still can't decide what lens to get.

For those of you who have families when you go out to nice picturesque locations what lens do you like taking with you?

Sigh so hard to decide :(
Most of my photography is focused on portraits and landscape. I bought the 85mm 1.8 as one of my first lens and I agree its an amazing lens. It was not a good lens because of the focal length for landscape photography for me. I now have the 24 - 105 and its had filled that gap for me now. I am actually wondering now if i should keep the 85mm or sell it because its not really practical to keep switching lens while traveling and the 240105 gives me a really good range for all in one lens for my needs.
 
I absolutely love my FE 85mm f/1.8 to death, phenomenal performance to price ratio. Size and weight is also perfect for A7 III. Last week I went out and found 85mm to be far too long for environmental portraits to achieve a view/dof like https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000IuS.lYkcN5c/sec=wdfsdfoeflwefms1440ed20180411DNJWfUifQb0rsSC/fit=2040x2040 photo from Jonathan bielaski's site.

I have obsessively read this forum over the past few weeks so I know my options are either Batis 25, FE 28, FE 35, 24-105 or wait for Tamron 28-75. I know all the price, performance and weight factors of these lens (except Tamron obviously) but I still can't decide what lens to get.

For those of you who have families when you go out to nice picturesque locations what lens do you like taking with you?

Sigh so hard to decide :(
Having a 5 year old boy, family and all that comes with it. The FE 85 is on top of my must have list.

Love my FE 28, light, fast, very good IQ for the price. Fast AF.

Easter-Party at the Grandparents place:

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I absolutely love my FE 85mm f/1.8 to death, phenomenal performance to price ratio. Size and weight is also perfect for A7 III. Last week I went out and found 85mm to be far too long for environmental portraits to achieve a view/dof like https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000IuS.lYkcN5c/sec=wdfsdfoeflwefms1440ed20180411DNJWfUifQb0rsSC/fit=2040x2040 photo from Jonathan bielaski's site.
Fast 35mm F1.4 prime is my top pick for environmental portrait lens for any system. I have the Sigma 35 Art FE mount on pre-order, but in this case, I am not so sure i will use it for portrait as i didn't like the Bokeh my Nikon mount 35 Art produces, but is a really really nice landscape lens, so I will have to wait and see, may give another try on the FE 35 1.4 to see if I get lucky and get a good copy this time.
 
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I absolutely love my FE 85mm f/1.8 to death, phenomenal performance to price ratio. Size and weight is also perfect for A7 III. Last week I went out and found 85mm to be far too long for environmental portraits to achieve a view/dof like https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000IuS.lYkcN5c/sec=wdfsdfoeflwefms1440ed20180411DNJWfUifQb0rsSC/fit=2040x2040 photo from Jonathan bielaski's site.

I have obsessively read this forum over the past few weeks so I know my options are either Batis 25, FE 28, FE 35, 24-105 or wait for Tamron 28-75. I know all the price, performance and weight factors of these lens (except Tamron obviously) but I still can't decide what lens to get.

For those of you who have families when you go out to nice picturesque locations what lens do you like taking with you?

Sigh so hard to decide :(
Hard to beat the Sony FE 35 1.4. For me, the perfect environmental portrait lens for something wide. For longer than an 85, my first choice is the Sony 100 STF.
 
I would get the 28mm, inexpensive, fast lens suitable for low light too
...my only concern is 28mm is same as all the phones. I don't want direct comparison to images taken by my siblings with their phones. I'm still learning about photography and don't want to be discouraged by family.
But there is no getting around the fact the perspective of an 'environmental portrait' lens will resemble a phone's. Because that is the basic purpose of a phone camera. Anything from 24mm to 40mm will have the same issue.

The 28/2 is still the right recommendation for you. Especially since you so love your FE85 for size and weight and handling and price/performance. The FE28 is its equivalent.

The solution is to be more creative than your siblings with their phones, so any comparison always looks good for your A7III/FE28 combo. For example:-
  • Specialise in action photography, especially close-up action of kids etc, where phones will struggle.
  • Lots of seriously low-light high-ISO stuff.
  • Very close focus at f/2 for subject separation.
  • Shoot in Monochrome (and make your photos look interesting in Mono).
  • Add the 21mm adapter and get ultrawide environmental portraits with strong perspective effect.
  • Get a proper flash unit with bounce, and use it creatively.
  • ....
You get the idea. Make it your mission not to take 'phone photos'. Embrace the challenge, instead of avoiding it, and it will make you a better photographer.

cheers
 
The Sony 28mm f2 is a good partner to the FE 85mm f1.8, it's center sharp wide open, and corner sharp from f4.

However, I used to own one and didn't like the occasional "double bokeh" I got from it, so I sold it.

Can I suggest you try before you buy, before purchasing.

Den
 
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Anything in the 35-50 range should work. My pick of the range would be the "new" Sigma 35 ART.

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I too am tempted by the Sigma 35mm Art, but I would not call it "new" it just has an adapter semi-permanently attached to it. According to Sigma, the 35mm could have been made smaller due to Sony's mirrorless architecture. If money were no object and I was going to use an adapted lens, my first choice would be Canon's EF 35mm f/1.4LII...

Regards, I am considering the not-really "new" Sigma 35mm or staying with the Sony Zeiss 35mm f/1.4ZA (Granted, I would have to buy several copies to ensure I get a good copy. Perhaps, 5 will do... Perhaps. the quality control issues on this lens is indeed over perpetuated, but regardless it does beg for caution.)
There's a reason I put new in quotation marks. Where did Sigma say they could have made the 35 smaller? There were already 2 35 1.4s in existence (Sony and Samyang) and they are pretty much the same size as the Sigma. I think for a 35 1.4 worth making it's going to be ~700g and ~110x70mm in size with 11-14 elements:
They said it in the interview given almost immediately after the release of the FE versions of the existing lenses. They essentially stated that wide angle lenses up to 35mm could be made smaller and benefit from the shorter flange distance and design parameters of Sony's mirrorless architecture. So, to me this means it could be made smaller without comprising the optical qualities of the lens without increasing the prices much. We don't want to get into Leica price territory.
 
Anything in the 35-50 range should work. My pick of the range would be the "new" Sigma 35 ART.
I too am tempted by the Sigma 35mm Art, but I would not call it "new" it just has an adapter semi-permanently attached to it. According to Sigma, the 35mm could have been made smaller due to Sony's mirrorless architecture. If money were no object and I was going to use an adapted lens, my first choice would be Canon's EF 35mm f/1.4LII...

Regards, I am considering the not-really "new" Sigma 35mm or staying with the Sony Zeiss 35mm f/1.4ZA (Granted, I would have to buy several copies to ensure I get a good copy. Perhaps, 5 will do... Perhaps. the quality control issues on this lens is indeed over perpetuated, but regardless it does beg for caution.)
There's a reason I put new in quotation marks. Where did Sigma say they could have made the 35 smaller? There were already 2 35 1.4s in existence (Sony and Samyang) and they are pretty much the same size as the Sigma. I think for a 35 1.4 worth making it's going to be ~700g and ~110x70mm in size with 11-14 elements:
They said it in the interview given almost immediately after the release of the FE versions of the existing lenses. They essentially stated that wide angle lenses up to 35mm could be made smaller and benefit from the shorter flange distance and design parameters of Sony's mirrorless architecture. So, to me this means it could be made smaller without comprising the optical qualities of the lens without increasing the prices much. We don't want to get into Leica price territory.
Yamaki-san actually said, "Probably, the 14mm, 20mm and 24mm lenses could have been smaller [if they were designed for Sony full-frame from the beginning]." Furthermore, he more or less excluded 35mm from a reduction in size when he pointed out that the mirrorless-design Sony 35/1.4 is much the same size as the Sigma 35/1.4 Art. Ref

That's a bit different to your misquotes about 35mm. Also note the word "probably".

Also, it does NOT, as you wrote, "... just has an adapter semi-permanently attached to it." The control/communications systems are much more efficient and will result in better responsiveness and performance, compared to the EF-mount version combined with an MC-11 adaptor. And I won't even go near your choice of the words, "semi-permanently attached". Simply bizarre.

Overall I read between your comments a negativity about Sigma's great gift to FE-land. Some of the best uncompromised glass ever put on an FE mount, and at prices that almost make one laugh out loud. And 9 top-notch prime lenses all at once, instead of drip-feeding us one fully-new design every 2-3 years.

FE guys and gals should be dancing in the streets.
 
Anything in the 35-50 range should work. My pick of the range would be the "new" Sigma 35 ART.
I too am tempted by the Sigma 35mm Art, but I would not call it "new" it just has an adapter semi-permanently attached to it. According to Sigma, the 35mm could have been made smaller due to Sony's mirrorless architecture. If money were no object and I was going to use an adapted lens, my first choice would be Canon's EF 35mm f/1.4LII...

Regards, I am considering the not-really "new" Sigma 35mm or staying with the Sony Zeiss 35mm f/1.4ZA (Granted, I would have to buy several copies to ensure I get a good copy. Perhaps, 5 will do... Perhaps. the quality control issues on this lens is indeed over perpetuated, but regardless it does beg for caution.)
There's a reason I put new in quotation marks. Where did Sigma say they could have made the 35 smaller? There were already 2 35 1.4s in existence (Sony and Samyang) and they are pretty much the same size as the Sigma. I think for a 35 1.4 worth making it's going to be ~700g and ~110x70mm in size with 11-14 elements:
They said it in the interview given almost immediately after the release of the FE versions of the existing lenses. They essentially stated that wide angle lenses up to 35mm could be made smaller and benefit from the shorter flange distance and design parameters of Sony's mirrorless architecture. So, to me this means it could be made smaller without comprising the optical qualities of the lens without increasing the prices much. We don't want to get into Leica price territory.
Yamaki-san actually said, "Probably, the 14mm, 20mm and 24mm lenses could have been smaller [if they were designed for Sony full-frame from the beginning]." Furthermore, he more or less excluded 35mm from a reduction in size when he pointed out that the mirrorless-design Sony 35/1.4 is much the same size as the Sigma 35/1.4 Art. Ref
The reference i was looking at was the one from sonyalpharumors, but from your reference, there may or may not be much of a size difference. However, to quote the reference:

But any lens longer than 35mm, they’d be about the same size. Our 35mm F1.4, for example, is about the same size as the Sony 35mm F1.4. But for wider lenses, because of the short flange-back distance of the E-mount, we could make them smaller."

It is implied that it could be made smaller (or at least maintaining its present size without the additional length of the adapter built into the lens).

That's a bit different to your misquotes about 35mm. Also note the word "probably".
I have noticed that in the tech world, probably = it can be done.
Also, it does NOT, as you wrote, "... just has an adapter semi-permanently attached to it." The control/communications systems are much more efficient and will result in better responsiveness and performance, compared to the EF-mount version combined with an MC-11 adaptor. And I won't even go near your choice of the words, "semi-permanently attached". Simply bizarre.
But, it is semi-permanently adapted or welded on. From what I have read and possibly misinterpreted as Sigma offering a mount conversion process, but if true, then the FE mount is not permanently apart of the lens. The discussions I have read on this matter though have been vague and confusing to me. So, if my assertion was in error, I stand corrected and thank you for this.
Overall I read between your comments a negativity about Sigma's great gift to FE-land. Some of the best uncompromised glass ever put on an FE mount, and at prices that almost make one laugh out loud. And 9 top-notch prime lenses all at once, instead of drip-feeding us one fully-new design every 2-3 years.
I agree they are top-tier lenses. Yes, it is good to have the "semi-native" option. But, changing the firmware is different than creating a new redesign. Regardless, the price to performance ration for most of these lenses represent a very good to great value. On the other hand, it could be argued that they already had more than 3 years to design new lenses for mirrorless. And, one can assume with a company as big as Sigma could design more than one lens at a time. As such, Sigma could have released 2 or more redesigned lenses for the wide angles and popular lenses while following what they have done for the longer lenses. This would have been the ideal scenario.
FE guys and gals should be dancing in the streets.
So, I think this is going a bit too far. Albeit, I am seriously considering the 35mm myself. Or, I might even have to buy 4-5 copies of the 35mm f/1.4ZA at one time, test them all and cherry pick the best one for my personal use. It is the only lens I am truly considering that seems to be plagued with large sample variation.
 
They said it in the interview given almost immediately after the release of the FE versions of the existing lenses. They essentially stated that wide angle lenses up to 35mm could be made smaller and benefit from the shorter flange distance and design parameters of Sony's mirrorless architecture. So, to me this means it could be made smaller without comprising the optical qualities of the lens without increasing the prices much. We don't want to get into Leica price territory.
"Without increasing the prices much" is questionable. For now, Sony is the only FF MILC game in town. Maybe they can release those lenses in the future, but I would personally rather have these "old" lenses right now than have to wait years and miss thousands of shots during the time they develop all new ones. The Sony 35 ZA and Samyang 35 1.4 FE both have QC issues. It will be nice to have something with good QC and good IQ for a reasonable price, even if it's a little heavy. You are asking for a lot (IQ, speed, low weight, low cost) in a short amount of time... it's not reasonable.

Not to mention to hit 1.4 and ART IQ it's either going to need a similar number of groups/elements (which will weigh the same), or it's going to rely very heavily on digital correction. I'd personally rather have the lens be optically optimized than use digital correction to save weight.

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They said it in the interview given almost immediately after the release of the FE versions of the existing lenses. They essentially stated that wide angle lenses up to 35mm could be made smaller and benefit from the shorter flange distance and design parameters of Sony's mirrorless architecture. So, to me this means it could be made smaller without comprising the optical qualities of the lens without increasing the prices much. We don't want to get into Leica price territory.
"Without increasing the prices much" is questionable.
That is true for a lower volume lens.
For now, Sony is the only FF MILC game in town. Maybe they can release those lenses in the future, but I would personally rather have these "old" lenses right now than have to wait years and miss thousands of shots during the time they develop all new ones.
That said, I don't know if it is true, but it has at least been rumored that the Sigma 35mm Art is also plagued with QC issues.
The Sony 35 ZA and Samyang 35 1.4 FE both have QC issues. It will be nice to have something with good QC and good IQ for a reasonable price, even if it's a little heavy.
Agreed, but I am wary that the Sigma modified adapted lenses will not present issues of their own. I guess we have to wait for some customer reviews to know this.
You are asking for a lot (IQ, speed, low weight, low cost) in a short amount of time... it's not reasonable.
I never said anything about cost, After all, I am considering adapting the Canon EF 35mm f/1.4LII lens which would be at least 50% more than the the Sony.

Not to mention to hit 1.4 and ART IQ it's either going to need a similar number of groups/elements (which will weigh the same), or it's going to rely very heavily on digital correction. I'd personally rather have the lens be optically optimized than use digital correction to save weight.
That is true, but I would think they could do so without compromise, by designing it to the current size of the lens minus the hard-installed adapter
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That is true for a lower volume lens.
Which a 1 mount lens would be.
That said, I don't know if it is true, but it has at least been rumored that the Sigma 35mm Art is also plagued with QC issues.
A lot of issues with fast glass on DSLRs has to do with parallax/alignment issues. My EF 35 ART focused more accurately through the MB4 than the native Samyang 35 1.4. Obviously 1 of 1 sample but I would trust Sigma over Samyang/Sony.
Agreed, but I am wary that the Sigma modified adapted lenses will not present issues of their own. I guess we have to wait for some customer reviews to know this.
And a new design could also have unseen issues. I'd rather not speculate. I know from experience Sigma has good QC; Samyang/Sony not so much. I know from experience their ART glass worked well with the MC-11 and they said AF performance improved from that base point. Go with what's known.
That is true, but I would think they could do so without compromise, by designing it to the current size of the lens minus the hard-installed adapter
 
That is true for a lower volume lens.
Which a 1 mount lens would be.
True
That said, I don't know if it is true, but it has at least been rumored that the Sigma 35mm Art is also plagued with QC issues.
A lot of issues with fast glass on DSLRs has to do with parallax/alignment issues. My EF 35 ART focused more accurately through the MB4 than the native Samyang 35 1.4. Obviously 1 of 1 sample but I would trust Sigma over Samyang/Sony.
Especially when it comes to their ZA lenses. Sigma's QC seems to be good with the G and GM lenses.
Agreed, but I am wary that the Sigma modified adapted lenses will not present issues of their own. I guess we have to wait for some customer reviews to know this.
And a new design could also have unseen issues. I'd rather not speculate. I know from experience Sigma has good QC; Samyang/Sony not so much. I know from experience their ART glass worked well with the MC-11 and they said AF performance improved from that base point. Go with what's known.
True. And just as I am considering the Canon EF 35mm f/1.4LII, I am considering the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art. FE
That is true, but I would think they could do so without compromise, by designing it to the current size of the lens minus the hard-installed adapter
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That would save what, 80-100g and 1" in length? Not worth designing an all new lens for.

Keep in mind, here are the lengths of the three lenses in question:
  • Sony 35 1.4 ZA- 112mm
  • Samyang 35 1.4 FE- 115mm
  • Sigma 35 ART (DSLR version)- 94mm, or 119mm with EF adapter
So the native 35 1.4 options are essentially the same size as the adapted ART. The adapted ART is admittedly heavier but I had the ART and Samyang at the same time... you don't feel the 100g difference as much as you do the front heaviness of the Sigma. However again with a grip extension (a must have if you use heavy glass on these bodies) and a comfy neck strap it's all day comfortable.
I hate vertical grips. They have always made holding a camera awkward and imbalanced even when I had the Nikon 200-400mm f/4 Lens, I couldn't stand the vertical grip even on the smaller nikon bodies. That is probably why I never got the D5 type of camera. But, in this to each his or her own.

I do think Sigma would do well to make some "Contemporary" new versions of wider angle primes and zooms that are slower (i.e. F/2 primes, F/4 zooms). I also think the 50 ART is ridiculously oversized and could be cut down for a Contemporary version. But the 35 is OK. Redesigning it to save ~25mm and 100g at what will most likely be a higher price just doesn't make sense.
I agree whole heartedly, so long as they maintain the high image quality standards.
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