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Tamron 24-70 G1 for $800 or G2 for $1500?
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Thanks.
I think it was CameraLabs that I saw it but it was on a couple sites that mentioned this. Camera labs ironically rated the G2 only 3.5 out of 5 stars. Oh, now that I recall, Dustin Abott mentioned it as well in his video review.
There is a local seller selling his 2 year old (that he bought new) lightly used non VR 24-70 Nikon for just $100 less than what a brand new G2 would cost. I am sure you could knock a bit more off his price but even still, $1600cdn obo for a $2250cdn lens that spent most of it's time collecting dust seems like a great deal.
Okay thanks.
Thanks.
Nice. G2's finish are nice (I have two of them), but I baby them like crazy because I don't want to get them marked up. I clean and dust them fairly often as well.
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Joe Huckleberry
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I really like the VC on the G2 (and Tamron 90 2017). I like it better than Nikon VR because it appears more stable in the view finder. And the console for upgrading firmware may come in handy at some point.
Agreed. Checkout cameralabs.com, they have a lot of pictures to look at, was well as comparisons with other lenses.
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I have no idea where you are getting your information but 24-70mm G2 is sharp through the whole range. At least my carefully adjusted copy is. This one below I shot today maybe not be completely wide at F3.5 but close enough.
And 100% crop
Which is not even 1mp. It looks pretty sharp to me considering that it is a snap shot really. And it is not even in the center of the frame.
The difference between G1 and G2 is that G2 has more effective consistent focus. With G1 I had 90-93% keepers while with G2 I get at least 99%.
And you will also get much slower focus speed. G2 literally focuses instantly. Tamron is done really good job on this.
I had G1 for about 4 years of abuse. Sold it few months ago in almost new condition.
G2 I had to wrap in the vinyl because I afraid it will be scratched easily just like 70-200mm G2 I already scratched. Tamron repaired it it for free but I can't keep sending them to Tamron because I use them almost every single day.
No, not at all. As far as finish is concerned carbonate material is better than metal. It doesn't scratch, doesn't shrink or expand with temperature change and it absorbs shocks very well.
That is why I wrapped mine in vinyl.
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Thanks for the photos and vote of confidence. I thought about it some more this morning and honestly I would rather pay the extra and buy G2 over G1. Yes the price is steep but the same applied for why I opted for G2 versions over G1 when I bought the 70-200 and 100-400.I have no idea where you are getting your information but 24-70mm G2 is sharp through the whole range. At least my carefully adjusted copy is. This one below I shot today maybe not be completely wide at F3.5 but close enough.
And 100% crop
Which is not even 1mp. It looks pretty sharp to me considering that it is a snap shot really. And it is not even in the center of the frame.
The difference between G1 and G2 is that G2 has more effective consistent focus. With G1 I had 90-93% keepers while with G2 I get at least 99%.
And you will also get much slower focus speed. G2 literally focuses instantly. Tamron is done really good job on this.
I had G1 for about 4 years of abuse. Sold it few months ago in almost new condition.
G2 I had to wrap in the vinyl because I afraid it will be scratched easily just like 70-200mm G2 I already scratched. Tamron repaired it it for free but I can't keep sending them to Tamron because I use them almost every single day.
No, not at all. As far as finish is concerned carbonate material is better than metal. It doesn't scratch, doesn't shrink or expand with temperature change and it absorbs shocks very well.
That is why I wrapped mine in vinyl.
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There is just so much sample variation out there that I am not wanting to play russian roullete with lenses. The chances of getting a G2 that is perfect (as in no front or back focus throughout its entire range) is pretty slim to none. Its even less with a G1 lens and I cant be spending endless amounts of time shipping lenses back and fourth and testing them.
I want the ability to tune it with my dock and because I shoot professionally being able to tune a lens is huge to me. Plus I would use it for fast subjects so the improved AF speed on the G2 will benefit me.
So G1 is out. Now its down to a 4 month old prestine Tamron G2 (that comes with warranty) or a prestine lightly used 2yr old Nikon 24-70 ED for the same price.
Edit: crap it looks like Tamron warranties are not transferable from the original owner here in Canada?! If true then that is a deal breaker. Id be better off buying new. Not worth sacrificing the warranty for $285cdn savings (incl tax).
So now that changes the ballgame.
New G2 for $1700cdn or 2yr old lightly used Nikon ED for $185cdn cheaper (maybe more if I can bring the Nikons price down).
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I would still chose Tamron because it is better in every aspect. If you shoot professionally even a slight AF speed and accuracy increase makes a difference.
For example I shoot on the red carpet multiple images of the same person, same pose at 10fps. Then I separate all images in to groups for each agency. They basically get identical images with a different EXIF. With G1 I had to go through each image to see if it is sharp because editors will reject unsharp images. So if I shot 3000 images I had to go through all of them. With G2 I go through nothing. Saves me about an hour or so. Plus my sanity and you can't put a price on sanity.
Nikon warranty is not transferable either. But........
briantilley
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I really do struggle to follow your thought processes :-(
Yesterday, in this thread, you posted "I will be holding off on the 24-70 for the time being..." but now you seem to be seriously considering it. If you go for the Nikkor, all it is giving you is the 56-70mm range, but with no VR/VC. At least the Tamron would offer stabilisation.
So, I've re-checked your gear list, and in an effort to be positive (and for what it's worth), here is what I would suggest as your next - and hopefully last for a while - move:
Sell the 17-55mm Nikkor (I'm assuming you have sold the 18-35mm Sigma by now).
Buy an AF-S 16-80mm f/2.8-4E VR.
That would leave you with 35mm, 50mm and 85mm f/1.8 primes and 11-16mm, 16-80mm, 70-200mm and 100-400mm zooms. That sounds like a comprehensive and flexible kit to share between your two DX bodies, and would cover all of the types of shooting that you have told us about.
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The main reason why I am considering buying a 24-70 right now is because there is a mint lightly used copy of both the Nikon and Tamron G2 available for sale at a discount in my town. Especially that Nikon it is very well priced and will sell quick.
Thanks. I did consider the 16-80 but I need that f2.8 as low light is perhaps my #1 priority when it comes to my zoom lenses. At what FL does the 16-80 remain f2.8 at?
And yes I sold my Sigma 18-35 yesterday for exactly what I paid for it. Surprisingly so I do not miss it (well okay I am not that surprised). I knew it wasnt a good fit for me.
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I know the Northrups and Dustin Abotts reviews are impressive on the G2. Fstoppers as well. They all said brand new to get the G2 but when a used Nikon comes into play there is some consideration.
I have no doubts about the G2 AF speed, from what I hear it has AF as fast as the G2 70-200 and will probably beat out my Nikkor 17-55 for AF speed.
Nice. Do you shoot at f2.8 on the red carpet?
True but the build quality and reliability of the Nikon 24-70s are perhaps their finest. Its a rock solid well built lens from what I know.
briantilley
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That's one way to look at it. Another way would be that, if you didn't need a 24-70mm before these two deals came up, then you still don't need one.
And yet, you've just sold your fastest zoom...?
It's f/2.8 from 16 to about 22mm. At 35mm it's f/3.3, at 50mm it's f/3.5 and it reaches f/4 about 65mm.
Comparing it with your 17-55mm at 50mm, instead of shooting at (say) ISO 400, you'd need to shoot at ISO 640 to make up for the slightly smaller aperture. Would that really lose you any sales?
I'm sure you're not alone in not realising what is and isn't a "good fit" until after you've made a purchase :-(
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I don't know if you read this before but last year at CES (I think) Nikon had D5 and D500 on display right next to each other with 70-200mm E attached to both. I brought my D500 with Tamron 70-200mm G1. There was a speaker (person) on the stage talking and I focused my camera and took few shots from the place where both Nikon cameras were. Then I picked up each Nikon camera and did the same. I have noticed that G1 was focusing faster and locking better. I repeated the test and found the same thing. So I called one of the Nikon reps and showed it to him. He was not very happy. I saw him at at least two other shows and he deliberately runs away from me every time he sees me.
And that was G1. G2 is even somewhat better though not by much.
Trying not to. The problem is with the DOF not the sharpness. So sometimes by accident I might but I usually have to balance between DOF and the flash power. The more I open the lens the less flash power I can use thus more shots I can take so the flash does not have to recharge. At 10fps flash has to fire every time. I am already shooting at 800 ISO mostly unless the red carpet is outside. and it is very hard to focus on the eyes too considering the very limited time I have.
Here is one at F2.8 Basically the same sharpness.
And 100% crop
Well, depends. I had Nikon 24-70mm before. If you drop it or hit against something, metal will bend in and will not bounce back unlike on Tamron G1. Rubber zoom ring will stretch from use. But the same thing happened on Tamron G1. I had to boil the ring so it would shrink back. I did not know that when I had Nikon. I did have Nikon for service once for a stripped gear but it could have related to the banging. That is why I got really upset that Tamron changed from carbonate to metal. Sure, if you baby your lenses it is one thing but I have no choice even if I want it to unless I hold my camera in my hands at all times. But since I shoot with two cameras at the same time, I can't.
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That's true. The question is (even though I just got it 3 weeks ago) can my Nikkor 17-55 match the G2 24-70 or Nikon 24-70 for AF in the 24-55 range?
I wonder how my 17-55 would stack up to the 24-70s for IQ.
It was fast but definitelty wasnt my fastest zoom, my 70-200 G2 would be my fastest zoom.
Thanks. I will admit it would be nice to have that 16-80 range in one zoom but I need that constant f2.8. Not sure how well the 16-80 would do in low light situations. When I mean low light, I am often in really tough, poorly lit lighting situations.
My 18-35 was able to handle some of them but too bad that lens lacked the range.
Evem though I sold my Sigma I still do not regret buying it second hand and giving it a chance. At least it didnt cost me anything.
Unfortunately I was too factuated by the metal build and best smoothest zoom ring ever that it overwrote my judgement for the lens itself in that it never really suited my needs from day one.
That feel and build of that lens was why I held onto it for as long as I did. Thankfully I took a big step and looked past the amazing build and looked as it as a lens, saw that it didnt suit my needs and sold it.
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Oh, so sounds like the G1 is still a pretty good lens, just too bad of the huge sample variation. IF I could find a G1 that didnt have any back or front focusing I would be wiling to settle with one but the question is "If".
Looks very sharp to me. But you obviously tuned it right?Trying not to. The problem is with the DOF not the sharpness. So sometimes by accident I might but I usually have to balance between DOF and the flash power. The more I open the lens the less flash power I can use thus more shots I can take so the flash does not have to recharge. At 10fps flash has to fire every time. I am already shooting at 800 ISO mostly unless the red carpet is outside. and it is very hard to focus on the eyes too considering the very limited time I have.
Here is one at F2.8 Basically the same sharpness.
And 100% crop
Oh ya I have heard about the rubber zoomg ring problem on the G1. I wonder how common of a problem it is.
briantilley
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My comment was in response to your earlier statement: "I need that f2.8 as low light is perhaps my #1 priority when it comes to my zoom lenses". The (now sold) Sigma was f/1.8. That's faster than f/2.8.
What sort of ISO and shutter speed values do these really tough conditions force you to use? Why not post an example (with EXIF intact) taken with your 17-55mm wide open, then we can estimate how much worse a lens that is 2/3 stop slower (at most) in the same range might do.
Fastest meaning the largest maximum aperture letting in the most light, not focus speed
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Of course.Oh, so sounds like the G1 is still a pretty good lens, just too bad of the huge sample variation. IF I could find a G1 that didnt have any back or front focusing I would be wiling to settle with one but the question is "If".
Looks very sharp to me. But you obviously tuned it right?Trying not to. The problem is with the DOF not the sharpness. So sometimes by accident I might but I usually have to balance between DOF and the flash power. The more I open the lens the less flash power I can use thus more shots I can take so the flash does not have to recharge. At 10fps flash has to fire every time. I am already shooting at 800 ISO mostly unless the red carpet is outside. and it is very hard to focus on the eyes too considering the very limited time I have.
Here is one at F2.8 Basically the same sharpness.
And 100% crop
It is a problem on every lens and not just Nikon or Tamron. I have seen people use a wide rubber wrist band like the one they give away with advertising at the shows to keep the rubber ring in place. It has to do, probably, with the skin acid or oil because then I boiled the ring it not only shrunk but also became like new.
There is another "bad" thing about Tamron 24-70mm G1 or G2 you might consider but might not. It is not really 24-70mm at the distance I am shooting. It is more like 22-55mm because of the focus breathing. 22mm is very good for me actually but 55mm is not but I can live with it.
Shot this yesterday, barely.
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Crap. Not good. Just got a reply from Tamron Canada.
Tamron warranty is for the original purchased and is NOT transferable.
If a lens is purchased outside Canada you would need to provide Amplis with an International Warranty card provided from the Tamron distributor in the country the lens was purchased in before we would consider repairing it. There would be 1 year International warranty only.
B&H has the cheapest price, can get it for $1533cdn to my door. But only 1 year warranty.
It looks like buying that second hand one for $1500cdn is out of the question.
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It seems Sigma is the only manufacturer to have transferable warranties. Are these companies trying to lower second hand sales and encourage to buy new?
Tamron warranty is for the original purchased and is NOT transferable.
If a lens is purchased outside Canada you would need to provide Amplis with an International Warranty card provided from the Tamron distributor in the country the lens was purchased in before we would consider repairing it. There would be 1 year International warranty only.
B&H has the cheapest price, can get it for $1533cdn to my door. But only 1 year warranty.
It looks like buying that second hand one for $1500cdn is out of the question.
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It seems Sigma is the only manufacturer to have transferable warranties. Are these companies trying to lower second hand sales and encourage to buy new?
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Nope, not anymore. Tamron cancelled 1 year international warranty about 2 years ago for our countries. Some other countries still have it.
http://www.tamron-usa.com/support/warranty_countries.html
Are you sure Sigma warranty is transferable? Not in US for sure.
BTW, there is another workaround. Get the seller to write you a letter stating that the lens was a gift. In that case you get full transferable warranty.
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sportyaccordy
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OP is special and on my ignore list but unless you really need a warranty there is no need to get a G2. I have compared the G1 alongside the Sony GM and couldn't see any difference in IQ. $800 is a stretch as well; I'm pretty sure they go for about $650 or so, at least in the US. I've bought plenty of NIB discontinued stuff without issue. If there's a problem when you get it any reputable vendor will take it back. Not to say the G2 is bad but the G1 is good enough that the G2 cannot be 2x as good
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